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0rganism

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41. The ACA is mortally wounded, this *was* the fight to save it, and our champions folded like cheap suits
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:22 PM
Nov 10

The consequences of this capitulation are considerable. First, and most obviously, the Democrats lost whatever shreds of credibility they had been building over the last month through a principled stand to preserve ACA subsidies and enable people to afford health insurance. That's all gone now. Kaput. The enthusiasm Dems were building among young people especially has been set back; they'll need to see significant changes in leadership going forward to possibly restore their support. Possibly.

Then there's the situation with the ACA itself. Those subsidies that were the cause of a 40-day shutdown? Yeah, they're probably doomed. The promised vote in the senate? Subject to filibuster. Needs a few Rs to support it. Far from a guaranteed pass. Then there's the house where it might not even get a vote this year, effectively killing the ACA exchange plans. Then, assuming it passes the house, it heads to F47's desk.

I'll give you 3 guesses as to what F47 will do with former-president Obama's signature legislative achievement. Do you honestly think he'll sign these subsidies into law on their own? If he does, it will only be to reallocate the funds through his amazing "rescission" superpowers. But far more likely, he makes a big deal out of NOT signing it. There are few things that would fill his shitty little "heart" with glee more than wrecking "Obamacare" and replacing it with his "Great Trump Healthcare Initiative" or whatever which will operate as both a massive grift and a direct propaganda outreach that will hit mid-2026. Were you thinking of voting for someone in 2026? Well here's a $2000 check to use for "healthcare investments", don't let it impact your voting decisions, right? Just remember which party trusts you to make "your own decisions" about your healthcare.

Over many years, Democrats have been shuffled into the unenviable position of advocating for private health insurance companies as a national-scale solution to providing affordable healthcare to the disadvantaged (aka most of us). This is the year where it really bites us in the ass.

Basically, as a result of this ill-conceived maneuver in the senate, the 2026 midterms are now up for grabs. Sen. Schumer threw last Tuesday's momentum and good vibes into the trash. We'll be fortunate to maintain the seats we have, let alone to pick up new ones.

Hair-on-fire? Veruca Salt? You haven't seen shit yet. Just wait until a year from now when we'll be arguing on DU about "stolen" elections and "useless" young voters again, trying to beg off the questions of how we lost the union vote and remained in the minority in both houses when "the wind was at our backs" and all that.

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We Just Giving Up? [View all] angrychair Nov 10 OP
I see the midterm mailers already leftstreet Nov 10 #1
I see the midterm mailers already ... usonian Nov 10 #11
DACO Seinan Sensei Nov 10 #46
IMO there is no way to spin this to avoid a conclusion of major strategic failure. RockRaven Nov 10 #2
One could argue that when the bill comes due and millions see the result, Dems are in a good position AZJonnie Nov 10 #21
I think the 3rd option SHOULD BE the democratic message: Volaris Nov 10 #36
Your idea falls generally under my 2nd option :) AZJonnie Nov 10 #40
major strategic failure? Pffft. This was sabotage. A knife in the back. LuvLoogie Nov 10 #38
I want to know why these 10 Democratic cowards were not outed before this capitulation. Bozvotros Nov 10 #50
I would hope not Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 10 #3
I cannot angrychair Nov 10 #9
He has done it twice now (not to mention ACB's nomination) usonian Nov 10 #14
I'm right there with you. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 10 #15
Agreed people Nov 10 #17
The only reason the Senate exists USS_Dauntless Nov 10 #49
Kick orangecrush Nov 10 #4
No. But let's not kid ourselves.... Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #5
More than that Cirsium Nov 10 #10
Spot on Cirsium Marie Marie Nov 10 #32
Totally agree. Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #72
The worst thing Cirsium Nov 10 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #57
Just warming up. H2O Man Nov 10 #6
7 Dems. 1 Ind. niyad Nov 10 #7
Ridiculous. Stop it. QueerDuck Nov 10 #8
You stop it Cirsium Nov 10 #12
Oh good grief. I'm doing no such thing. I know that it can be difficult to face reality... QueerDuck Nov 10 #22
No one said you are the enemy Cirsium Nov 10 #54
No. I'm attacking nobody. I'm the messenger telling the truth that is hard to accept. QueerDuck Nov 10 #61
You are not a victim Cirsium Nov 10 #67
Again... I forgive you. QueerDuck Nov 10 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 10 #13
Are you ignoring my point angrychair Nov 10 #16
The shutdown was a stupid idea to start with edisdead Nov 10 #19
That will not be the story - watch and see. lark Nov 10 #27
It's clear to me that the expectations were unrealistic to begin with. Therefore... QueerDuck Nov 10 #20
I didn't create that expectation angrychair Nov 10 #24
I never said you did. It's all politics. They were also hoping for a better outcome... QueerDuck Nov 10 #25
I'm not rewarding them angrychair Nov 10 #29
They made no promises, they had goals, but this time it failed. Yet you expected victory. These are your expectations... QueerDuck Nov 10 #30
Food VS Healthcare EarthAbides Nov 10 #34
Now vs later. We are not "in charge" and this was a battle we were always going to lose. Always! QueerDuck Nov 10 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author QueerDuck Nov 10 #44
The ACA is mortally wounded, this *was* the fight to save it, and our champions folded like cheap suits 0rganism Nov 10 #41
Again... we were NEVER going to win this fight. Never. QueerDuck Nov 10 #43
We'll never have more leverage to continue the ACA funding than we *had* on Saturday 0rganism Nov 10 #51
No we didn't. It was an illusion. A fantasy. QueerDuck Nov 10 #52
We'll never know now, will we? 0rganism Nov 10 #55
No... "most Democrats" are not indulging in this type of self-destructive behavior... QueerDuck Nov 10 #60
OK, we'll see more of what the polls say RSN, but from what I'm seeing so far it's not looking good for Schumer's 8 0rganism Nov 10 #63
DU is a microcosm and does not represent... QueerDuck Nov 10 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author 0rganism Nov 10 #70
Ah, so DU "does not represent the greater world that understands political realities", very nice. 0rganism Nov 10 #71
If democrats win back one or both SocialDemocrat61 Nov 10 #53
IF. Used to be a "when", now, thanks to the senate's stupidity, it's definitely an "if". 0rganism Nov 10 #58
It's always an if SocialDemocrat61 Nov 10 #64
Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?! Fiendish Thingy Nov 10 #18
Great flick. I only saw it ONE time... in an actual theater. QueerDuck Nov 10 #39
"The Senate Democrats literally shut down the government..." Patton French Nov 10 #23
Yeah, Moses just said he would not bring the ACA vote to the House floor. lark Nov 10 #26
And it will then be 100% the GOP's fault. That's a win. beaglelover Nov 10 #31
Then what? BannonsLiver Nov 10 #59
There wouldn't have been a vote in the House Red Mountain Nov 10 #35
K&R spanone Nov 10 #28
I haven't but I have given up on our senators to have a spine nt Javaman Nov 10 #33
I can say it any other way other than berksdem Nov 10 #42
Not all senate democrats SocialDemocrat61 Nov 10 #45
Oh look! A reasonable voice. Thank you. But... sadly, you'll be drowned out by a chorus of irrational hatred. QueerDuck Nov 10 #47
The Impotent Eight taught the Republicans a lesson....... Escape Nov 10 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #56
No. We are not giving up. yellow dahlia Nov 10 #62
Good comments angrychair Nov 10 #65
Ezra is a great communicator. Eloquent writing and cogent summary. yellow dahlia Nov 10 #66
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