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123. MJ has become an identity issue for me
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 05:24 AM
Yesterday

This is another confusing post. But I don’t know how to fix it. Or rather I do have to go work (there should not be a drinking game based on how often I say or think that. You would die of alcohol poisoning).

Because I have (probably) stumbled through some lousy “built” spaces I disapprove of.
I rarely agree with mainstream politics or most mainstream crap.

I was working in publicly funded science because it is one of the few things I support and I don’t like making a joke of it. It’s innocuous and useful unlike the drivel that is often be labelled anti-establishment (thank you RFK and technofascists for being living embodiments of what is hard to communicate).

Marijuana can and has been used to attack my sanity or character. If you suspect that you would want to file complaints about being shoved into ill-conceived and unacknowledged test spaces filled with misogynists, sleazebags and creeps, you are going to be incoherent.

I never trust group decisions made by a large number of imo blah people working with pretty hard right people. I can’t tell other people what to do since they know what would work for them. But I have never had confusion around consent and I can tell what is sourced to scientists or doctors I would trust versus some people who work with or on computers.

These guys who jump on popular bandwagons are not people I get. The only time I do get it is when it’s doctors or scientists (the vast majority I have met) who are too overworked to sometimes not be..there is no polite way to put this..duped by these creepy tech people.

I am not a fawning LLM. You can be bright and honest and still fail to see that these tech creeps are creeps. I have seen one AI scientist I don’t dislike ..Yan LeCun. He wouldn’t lie.

After Trump the sheer insanity of society is easier to point out.

I am sick of it being attributed to paranoia or Reefer Madness when criticism of lousy systems is called insane. And they always seem to find a new line of bullshit to hide sleazy crap under.

When you look at something and go “Okay I don’t trust these religious or right leaning nutcases, these tech creeps nor any later iteration, each one worse than the last” you can’t just ignore that.

By the time it’s clearer to a broader swathe of people that maybe it wasn’t a crazy woman with conspiracy theories but a real systemic issue, all the earlier bs is glossed over as inconsequential. That’s the part that angers me. That’s why these guys never go away. These conservative and insane creeps.

On the one hand you can’t coexist with such people and otoh are worried about the drug war being used against you. Try working like that for over a decade and in these political environments and see how your IQ is.

No exit is also not fun for any honest scientist.

Fuck that shit. I have no intention of forgiving anything egregious I have seen starting from 2011 or 2010 or whatever. I already was never someone who piles on to trivialities.

I was never mentally ill and I won’t stand to be exploited and slandered.

The one thing I cannot forgive is attacks on one’s sanity, character etc.

I always said I was mediocre as a scientist. I just didn’t want to pretend that I am happy role playing “Hi I am too much of a damn moron to get how very insulting this is”.

And I didn’t want to next be labeled an ecoterrorist or Unabomber type or most cruelly ecofascist, if I can just about escape re: pot or worse allegations of misconduct.

I take publicly funded science as seriously as most of my real colleagues.

I can’t just swop out my own “reality prediction system” or whatever for ones I do consider inferior. I like Lina Khan. I never thought Google or Facebook would change the world. This technofascist coup is exactly what I would expect.

I don’t consider that rogue’s gallery of tech creeps scientists. Fuck those guys.

It’s two different worlds. I have seriously never found male scientists or doctors creepy or sleazy. Though any time I do find someone creepy I am clear about it. But those Google and Palantir creeps are not colleagues. They are creeps.

Like most humans I am neither paranoid nor gullible. You extend the benefit of the doubt as a default when there is no reason to not. But you are “paranoid” when you should be.

I cannot see anything consistent or reproducible coming from anything as dishonest as the shit the technofascists shill. Thats a crew where without proof, I give no benefit of the doubt. I go on the system of trust with scientists of the usual type.

Worse the technofascists are the types who would shill rubbish with a bot in between as the new police or new ori with the Google creeps as the “left” and Palantir and Musk as the far more honestly Nazi right.

They must have mistaken me for a stupid woman.


Attacks on constitutions in democracies are kinda above my pay grade.

Of course this whole rant would ..lol be confusing to innocuous people and intriguing to those morons online who think they are sleuths etc. Maha rabbitholes

As for DU..come on. I have been a poster here for 19 years. I am a part of this community dammit. If anyone wants to “sleuth” or test etc you guys can. You would have my permission. Not people outside DU.

I am not very easy going wrt who I engage with. I think that IBM big five personality crap is such tabloid junk and clunky. A bot or AI isn’t always as stupid as the humans you find who come up with stuff like that. And that type would swop out that mechanical shit for “intuition and esp” etc.
That’s the thing about those guys. The clunky mechanical shit on one hand and hardcore (!) bogus realism plus the woo.
Years ago I wasn’t as good at getting that peculiar mix.

They have no working understanding of reality or what? I can and do police myself in sane ways but not blatantly bogus ones.

By 2025 that should be clearer. Come on..
Routine science is easy.

I get confused when I try to navigate this hellscape. But myopia is not sane

This post is a mess. I don’t know.

My own work is getting neglected and while it isn’t that I can’t come up with something more coherent, I am still preoccupied.

I have promised myself that this won’t happen to me again. I try to do the best I can. But my model of the world got scrambled and well..

I don’t work very well outside actual ..is the word community? Something like that.

I don’t work well in a cult.
Surely this is all extremely obvious on the left personality wise. I thought “we” are all grouchy and cranky about creeps and frauds and self serving assholes but basically humane and reasonable.
And as this thread indicates prone to arguing.

But yeah Google is loathesome. Like Palantir etc. Those guys don’t have anyone’s best interests at heart and they have taken over too much space.
If I hadn’t been personally affected, the way I use Amazon and Apple without thinking about it as unenthusiastic as I am about them, I would probably use their stupid creepy search engine. But they have affected me more badly than the Amazon or Apple.

As far as informed consent goes, I have used cleverbot and DU entirely voluntarily. with awareness of the business model of the web.

That’s not true of say Substack. I wanted to support Yasha Levine and his family. The Substack creeps no. Fuck those guys.
I stand by it.

And if those guys want to get extortionate let them try. I learnt from the Dems who caved on ACA and Merrick Garland.

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