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50. Except the last AWB and to an extent the currently proposed one

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:48 AM

Dec 2012

ARE about looks. Controlling semiautomatic detachable-magazine rifles "with such-and-such extra features" is a purely cosmetic metric. Flash hiders, bayonet lugs, threaded muzzles, even the Dreaded Evil Spray-Fire Pistol Grip add no practical function or usefulness to the rifle. I used to own a completely innocuous-looking rifle (Ruger Mini-14) that was entirely legal under AWB1 - it had no flash hiders, or bayonet lugs, or even a pistol grip. Old-fashioned wood stock, at a glance it looked like Grandpa's 30-06. Hell, my dad has a Browning semi-automatic 7mm Magnum, it's even less scary because the metal is dark blue.

And it's just as easy, fast, and effective to empty the magazines and reload either of them as it is the latest greatest Bushmaster. If you support the currently proposed AWB, you ARE for banning "guns you hate the looks of" (e.g. with a pistol grip or muzzle decoration). I'll admit I don't know your position specifically and you may very well simply and more logically consistently support blanket bans of detachable-magazine semi-autos - full stop. If you do though, you should be fully on the "looks" bandwagon for your own reasons.

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OK, you ban Semi-Autos, they start making them at home [View all] shintao Dec 2012 OP

You cant be series. It's simple to pay out cash for a killing machine. Too much work rhett o rick Dec 2012 #1

That's why we have laws DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #2

I would imagine you are right shintao Dec 2012 #4

yes, you're right. But he'll get 50 years with no parole just for possessing it DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #8

If you ban child porn, they start making it at home. baldguy Dec 2012 #3

Not sure where you went with that??????????? shintao Dec 2012 #7

Thank you for proving my point. baldguy Dec 2012 #19

Another paid NRA/Gungeon billh58 Dec 2012 #25

So you are still saying "all gun owners have blood on their hands" ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #22

Look at the premise of the OP. baldguy Dec 2012 #23

Mass shootings would then ironically result in Darwin Awards NoOneMan Dec 2012 #5

Who is going to do that? XRubicon Dec 2012 #6

I've been making twinkies at home for a few weeks now.... hope I don't get caught. n/t 2on2u Dec 2012 #9

OK you make a semi auto, you go to jail for say 10 years...how many jmg257 Dec 2012 #10

What risk? shintao Dec 2012 #26

Yep - build an illegal gun, go shoot up a school, then run away... jmg257 Dec 2012 #30

That's one of the things that worries me personally. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #38

From the looks of it, we can worry about that in a couple of decades or more. bluedigger Dec 2012 #11

When you use common sense billh58 Dec 2012 #32

All this will do is end up having 3D printers treated lie high definition color printers. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #12

Feeble reason not to make a law frazzled Dec 2012 #13

Well why don't we just write a few red light, tax, arson laws? shintao Dec 2012 #28

That's not a reason to give up on a ban. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #14

You mean gun owners aren't so friggin "law-abiding" after all. Hoyt Dec 2012 #15

This is true. Taverner Dec 2012 #16

Who is They? XRubicon Dec 2012 #17

They = people who have access to welding equipment Taverner Dec 2012 #18

Ok... I guess I need to adjust my tinfoil hat to your frequency XRubicon Dec 2012 #20

oh please. People just aren't very handy, in general. Schema Thing Dec 2012 #29

you need real men molonlabe91 Dec 2012 #33

oh go away, troll. Schema Thing Dec 2012 #37

I don't know where you live, but Matt_R Dec 2012 #49

Duh! ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #53

sounds like a threat to me....you can make dynamite a home to spanone Dec 2012 #21

Have you all been living under a bridge? Mopar151 Dec 2012 #24

Makes sense to me, Mopar. n/t AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #39

Indeed, handcrafting of firearms is not the problem. bluedigger Dec 2012 #41

Make it a 40 year sentence if caught with one Politicalboi Dec 2012 #27

We already have one of the largest prison populations on the planet pediatricmedic Dec 2012 #44

We have one of the largest billh58 Dec 2012 #51

So we should do nothing, right? malz Dec 2012 #31

:-) molonlabe91 Dec 2012 #34

Do you have any children? XRubicon Dec 2012 #35

Awww, the nice troll billh58 Dec 2012 #36

Ok by me. bhikkhu Dec 2012 #40

When you start your argument with a strawman like "guns you hate the looks of" drm604 Dec 2012 #42

You would think that billh58 Dec 2012 #46

Except the last AWB and to an extent the currently proposed one sir pball Dec 2012 #50

More smoke and mirrors billh58 Dec 2012 #54

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #59

And once again, no one billh58 Dec 2012 #62

Actually if you want good policy you should care. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #63

Yes, my Queen. As you wish. billh58 Dec 2012 #70

At a policy level you should. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #72

Oh, my. Another lecture from an "expert." billh58 Dec 2012 #73

So if you spent time in the bush nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #74

Yes, I have billh58 Dec 2012 #75

What you want is the extension of the 1934 laws nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #76

It is the mind set of those attracted to the "Bushmaster" style, military knock-off, assault rifles. RC Dec 2012 #57

Have you seen the videos of the Pakistani gun markets? pediatricmedic Dec 2012 #43

Other countries manage it somehow, drm604 Dec 2012 #45

Good choice of comparisons, billh58 Dec 2012 #48

+100 Good post. RC Dec 2012 #58

Good luck Macguiver XRubicon Dec 2012 #61

as long as it keeps them busy at home, maybe they will leave us all alone SoCalDem Dec 2012 #47

why don't we try the ban and then revisit it in 5 years samsingh Dec 2012 #52

I used to think that it was only freepers and the like...... wandy Dec 2012 #55

remember heath kit radios dembotoz Dec 2012 #56

Bullshit. ellisonz Dec 2012 #60

Lanza would not have been able to (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #64

It doesn't matter how good a weapon you have rrneck Dec 2012 #65

or you use yours first dembotoz Dec 2012 #67

True. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #68

Why stick with semi-auto? It's just as easy to make a full auto weapon. Kaleva Dec 2012 #66

Who'd thunk we would have computers made in a garage!? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #69

Which means we should do nothing, right? NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #71