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Buckeyeblue

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22. We seem to be at a cross roads

Sun Dec 28, 2025, 10:23 AM

11 hrs ago

Trump can't seem to go against Putin. He tried for a minute but whatever Putin has on him is just too damaging to Trump.

But a number of Republicans understand the threat of letting Putin get his way. I don't think Trump has the support to push for a peace plan that is really a Ukrainian surrender. Also, I don't think Europe, who has the most to lose after Ukraine, would be on board for such a peace plan.

I think a NATO intervention could end the war very quickly. The hesitation is with Putin and his nukes. Would he? He might. But would his military follow orders to launch? We think it's only Putin making that decision. But the military itself has to understand that launching a nuke would also be signing their own death warrant.

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I Know When The Russia/Ukraine War Will End [View all] gab13by13 13 hrs ago OP

Or if Putin is gone PJMcK 13 hrs ago #1

What happens if there is a hot shooting war between NATO and Russia? PufPuf23 13 hrs ago #2

Russia is running out of money and manpower. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #5

That may depend on whether they are fighting a NATO-with-U.S. or a NATO-without-U.S. thesquanderer 12 hrs ago #14

I don't think Russia can handle two fronts, Europe and Ukraine. Irish_Dem 11 hrs ago #19

the ukraines know what they are in for and will die to stop it. rampartd 13 hrs ago #3

Can you talk some more about that please? mahina 13 hrs ago #4

If Krasnov isn't under Putin's orders gab13by13 12 hrs ago #10

100%. I get it. mahina 12 hrs ago #13

Just my opinion, gab13by13 11 hrs ago #30

King Trump has divvied up the world, & Putin gets Russia & Europe, Xi gets Asia, & Trump gets the Americas. CrispyQ 11 hrs ago #27

Yes, you are 100% spot on, gab13by13 11 hrs ago #32

Russians have been trying to leave Russia to avoid conscription IronLionZion 12 hrs ago #6

Yes there have been a lot of draft evasions among young men in Russia FakeNoose 12 hrs ago #7

I see a real possibility... BH liberal 12 hrs ago #8

I think Europe is getting ready to go on without the US... Wounded Bear 12 hrs ago #9

Once the nukes (even small ones) are deployed... BH liberal 12 hrs ago #11

That they are. Certainly Poland, Finland and the Baltics. paleotn 11 hrs ago #29

I don't think there will be a "conflict with NATO countries" Polybius 11 hrs ago #17

If Putin becomes desperate enough... BH liberal 11 hrs ago #28

That's the worry. There's a reason Putin was relegated to the Dresden backwater during his KGB days. paleotn 11 hrs ago #31

As Putin gets closer and closer... BH liberal 11 hrs ago #37

Yes, the downside of medical progress is that it benefitted Putin and tsf off-the-clock 10 hrs ago #38

Have you noticed the propaganda campaigns gab13by13 12 hrs ago #12

Thank you for the update on that meeting. Frankly, having Zelenskyy niyad 11 hrs ago #16

Phillips O'Brien has a good read today on what he calls Strelnikov_ 11 hrs ago #26

Yes, absolutely, gab13by13 11 hrs ago #33

You haven't been paying attention, then. ruzzians have been taking their niyad 11 hrs ago #15

So is it a run on the banks? Farmer-Rick 11 hrs ago #18

Russia's GDP is near zero right now, gab13by13 11 hrs ago #21

Thanks for the info Farmer-Rick 11 hrs ago #25

Pretty darn close. There are appparently limits on how much anyone can niyad 11 hrs ago #23

Also, Putin has started to ration gasoline in Crimea. gab13by13 11 hrs ago #34

Not just in Crimea. Moscow and St. Petersburg, and many more. niyad 6 hrs ago #40

Yes, it's coming. gab13by13 11 hrs ago #20

We seem to be at a cross roads Buckeyeblue 11 hrs ago #22

Totally no evidence on my part gab13by13 11 hrs ago #36

Specially some sort of visual evidence of Trump depravity Buckeyeblue 9 hrs ago #39

When China stops supplying drone components Strelnikov_ 11 hrs ago #24

It'll end when Putin is dead duckworth969 11 hrs ago #35