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paleotn

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29. That they are. Certainly Poland, Finland and the Baltics.
Sun Dec 28, 2025, 10:43 AM
9 hrs ago

When you're next door to the bad guy, you have to take all scenarios into serious consideration. Including the US being unfaithful. Even during the Cold War, that was a serious question. Even in the US, we pondered it. Would the US risk direct attack in defense of Bonn, Paris and London? Or would we fold and break our agreements? Poland has been planning for that possible scenario for years. After all, they have a painful history of not being able to rely on allies for their defense.

If the EU has catching up to do, it's our fault. After WW2 and throughout the Cold War, it was in our interest to keep Europe's militaries weak and reliant on the US for defense policy. Our policy became their policy by default and there wasn't a hell of a lot they could do about it. When they did try to reflex their military muscles and act independently, Suez Crises, we slapped down France and the UK.

Fast forward to just after the Cold War - The US was less than pleased by the 1998 Saint-Malo declaration where France and the UK called for an independent European security and defense policy. Again, not in US interests for Europe to go it alone. So after all that, we're NOW bitching that Europe isn't pulling it's own weight in NATO? For decades we incentivized and arm twisted them NOT TO!

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Or if Putin is gone PJMcK 12 hrs ago #1
What happens if there is a hot shooting war between NATO and Russia? PufPuf23 11 hrs ago #2
Russia is running out of money and manpower. Irish_Dem 11 hrs ago #5
That may depend on whether they are fighting a NATO-with-U.S. or a NATO-without-U.S. thesquanderer 10 hrs ago #14
I don't think Russia can handle two fronts, Europe and Ukraine. Irish_Dem 10 hrs ago #19
the ukraines know what they are in for and will die to stop it. rampartd 11 hrs ago #3
Can you talk some more about that please? mahina 11 hrs ago #4
If Krasnov isn't under Putin's orders gab13by13 10 hrs ago #10
100%. I get it. mahina 10 hrs ago #13
Just my opinion, gab13by13 9 hrs ago #30
King Trump has divvied up the world, & Putin gets Russia & Europe, Xi gets Asia, & Trump gets the Americas. CrispyQ 9 hrs ago #27
Yes, you are 100% spot on, gab13by13 9 hrs ago #32
Russians have been trying to leave Russia to avoid conscription IronLionZion 11 hrs ago #6
Yes there have been a lot of draft evasions among young men in Russia FakeNoose 11 hrs ago #7
I see a real possibility... BH liberal 11 hrs ago #8
I think Europe is getting ready to go on without the US... Wounded Bear 10 hrs ago #9
Once the nukes (even small ones) are deployed... BH liberal 10 hrs ago #11
That they are. Certainly Poland, Finland and the Baltics. paleotn 9 hrs ago #29
I don't think there will be a "conflict with NATO countries" Polybius 10 hrs ago #17
If Putin becomes desperate enough... BH liberal 9 hrs ago #28
That's the worry. There's a reason Putin was relegated to the Dresden backwater during his KGB days. paleotn 9 hrs ago #31
As Putin gets closer and closer... BH liberal 9 hrs ago #37
Yes, the downside of medical progress is that it benefitted Putin and tsf off-the-clock 8 hrs ago #38
Have you noticed the propaganda campaigns gab13by13 10 hrs ago #12
Thank you for the update on that meeting. Frankly, having Zelenskyy niyad 10 hrs ago #16
Phillips O'Brien has a good read today on what he calls Strelnikov_ 9 hrs ago #26
Yes, absolutely, gab13by13 9 hrs ago #33
You haven't been paying attention, then. ruzzians have been taking their niyad 10 hrs ago #15
So is it a run on the banks? Farmer-Rick 10 hrs ago #18
Russia's GDP is near zero right now, gab13by13 10 hrs ago #21
Thanks for the info Farmer-Rick 9 hrs ago #25
Pretty darn close. There are appparently limits on how much anyone can niyad 9 hrs ago #23
Also, Putin has started to ration gasoline in Crimea. gab13by13 9 hrs ago #34
Not just in Crimea. Moscow and St. Petersburg, and many more. niyad 5 hrs ago #40
Yes, it's coming. gab13by13 10 hrs ago #20
We seem to be at a cross roads Buckeyeblue 10 hrs ago #22
Totally no evidence on my part gab13by13 9 hrs ago #36
Specially some sort of visual evidence of Trump depravity Buckeyeblue 7 hrs ago #39
When China stops supplying drone components Strelnikov_ 9 hrs ago #24
It'll end when Putin is dead duckworth969 9 hrs ago #35
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