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roguevalley

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207. msongs, given that they make shit for going off to die in oil wars and come back

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:45 PM

Dec 2012

broken only to see Vet bills killed by repukes in congress, I would say you need to talk to more people.

E5-sargent makes between 15-27K for a year.
E3-private 16-21K

They come back blasted, we owe them a recovery. I don't know where you get your info. We have a butt load of bases up here in Alaska and I know a butt load of soldiers and airmen on food stamps. They don't get dick when they come back, their unemployment is off the hook. They don't get a job's bill because the refucks don't care about them when they get broken. They only like the wars so their stock portfolios can get a work out. Really, I am not sure where you go to talk but you need to talk to soldiers face to face. They get $225.00 a month to get shot at in a war zone. BIG MONEY!

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I do not worship the ground our military walks on [View all] Taverner Dec 2012 OP

. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #1

Exactly as expected. n/t GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #265

military people have a huge sense of entitlement. have many chats with military types and msongs Dec 2012 #2

LOL! Many of them are on welfare to survive shintao Dec 2012 #40

Liar. cliffordu Dec 2012 #97

LOL, yes, because only you do. And no veteran has EVER said what he said they did. n-t Logical Dec 2012 #200

When you risk life and limb Aerows Dec 2012 #219

BULLSHIT AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #228

+1 L0oniX Dec 2012 #235

That goes for you, as well n/t Aerows Dec 2012 #254

LMAO n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #257

it is good to know Aerows Dec 2012 #252

A vague, if not cryptic response AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #260

well-said Vattel Dec 2012 #307

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. PavePusher Dec 2012 #388

When was the last time anyone risked life and limb to serve their country? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #239

...many chats with military types... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #225

You and I rarely agree RomneyLies Dec 2012 #272

Liar. Apparently neither do you. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #243

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Dec 2012 #281

OK, I wrote a whole thing in reply, but it seems everybody got juried out of the thread, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #290

I had read the OP H2O Man Dec 2012 #329

:) lonestarnot Dec 2012 #302

Not a liar. 2ndAmForComputers Dec 2012 #399

What he said. DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #402

Oh, bull. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #107

You should Berserker Dec 2012 #111

I spent a long, full career in the military, and your bigoted statements do not reflect my views MADem Dec 2012 #133

I endorse MADem's post nt jody Dec 2012 #141

Second. nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #193

Add another supporter Aerows Dec 2012 #216

Hear hear! DevonRex Dec 2012 #283

Really? Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #145

While I do not disrespect the soldiers.. sendero Dec 2012 #299

This says it all moman Dec 2012 #327

As do I. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #378

+1 Go Vols Dec 2012 #335

msongs, given that they make shit for going off to die in oil wars and come back roguevalley Dec 2012 #207

You're absolutely right. And that's the heart of the BIG ISSUE. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #245

Not all vets are like that. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #226

Not all, but far too many. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #246

With the difference being that military people perform a valuble service for their "entitlement". PavePusher Dec 2012 #387

You have yet to name a single valuable service. You have described an ill-conceived jobs program Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #397

Sorry, I won't play your stupid game. PavePusher Dec 2012 #406

No, of course you won't. That would be beneath a brave, self sacrificing hero like you, wouldn't it? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #408

OK you don't like the military but don't use special cases to disparage all who serve unless you've jody Dec 2012 #3

You and I don't agree on much RomneyLies Dec 2012 #5

Snort. Scuba Dec 2012 #317

J*** you are truly full of shit. Freedom of speech dates to the heroic founding fathers and all the byeya Dec 2012 #8

The founding fathers pledged "their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor" hobbit709 Dec 2012 #12

Another naysayer who never served enjoys freedoms protected by our military. nt jody Dec 2012 #13

LOL Exactly what Freedoms are you talking about? bahrbearian Dec 2012 #20

"what Freedoms"? If you need an answer then you either haven't graduate from elementary school or jody Dec 2012 #56

The Big Lie is that war is about "protecting our freedoms." alarimer Dec 2012 #79

If you have a problem with any war, blame civilians appointed over the military, and voters who jody Dec 2012 #83

Of course, because they are just following orders? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #241

Have you ever served in a combat theater? nt jody Dec 2012 #250

Have you ever lived in a country that was being militarily occupied or carpet bombed by a larger Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #325

our national interests. ashling Dec 2012 #113

Agreed AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #236

Well I'm still waiting on an Answer. I am certainly not the brightess ,maybe you could enlighten me bahrbearian Dec 2012 #86

See #56 nt jody Dec 2012 #89

Oh I get it, you fought to protect the freedom of insulting peoples Intelligence. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #100

I teach elementary school and the roody Dec 2012 #123

I'm not a historian but my experience is many K-12 schools are failing in teaching math. The number jody Dec 2012 #137

It does AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #242

Good luck! KansDem Dec 2012 #314

I need an answer mokawanis Dec 2012 #284

you (we) elect the people who send them there arely staircase Dec 2012 #371

How many times in American history has our freedom been truly "threatened" Hugabear Dec 2012 #386

Hell yeah! UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #115

Cite specific examples of "freedoms protected by our military" a11ig8r Dec 2012 #323

The Bill of Rights would have been tough to write if British troops were all up in their face... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #18

So much bullshit in this post. white_wolf Dec 2012 #21

I was an ACLU member for decades stopping only when it opposed SCOTUS on the Second Amendment. jody Dec 2012 #24

And every war before that, except possibly, the American Civil war. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #273

Do you remember the 1976 TV show "City of Angels?" KansDem Dec 2012 #318

"Hundreds of millions who supported their efforts... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #23

I was a child in WWII and my experience is different from what you recall from second hand tales jody Dec 2012 #25

Why Jody-if I didn't know better I'd think... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #29

You stated you were a "fellow veteran". Regale us with tales of battlefield heroics and nominations jody Dec 2012 #49

Actually, stateside wartime... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #68

Vietnam 1966 and again 1969. nt jody Dec 2012 #71

Well, if you liked having helicopters nearby... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #76

Agree as I stated elsewhere. Don't understand #23 unless you had an unfortunate military service? nt jody Dec 2012 #80

No, it was a great base and a soft assignment... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #104

Thanks for your reply pangaia Dec 2012 #117

Actually I misposted... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #129

Thank you for your service, jody! Joey Liberal Dec 2012 #85

Those young, naive grunts whether volunteer or draftee, who obeyed Johnson and Nixon elected jody Dec 2012 #98

Thank You Berserker Dec 2012 #118

If you want a Pro-War party join the Repubican Party. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #160

That doesn't mean Aerows Dec 2012 #227

All of your being, really? a11ig8r Dec 2012 #322

No I have no disdain for the Military bahrbearian Dec 2012 #380

No, it isn't Aerows Dec 2012 #232

"the Democrat party"? That's usually a 'tell'... PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #233

This entire thread Aerows Dec 2012 #237

You have the right to those feelings and they (in theory) fight for his right to have his. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #247

"Democrat Party" -Ooops! Watching a bit too much Fox News, I think. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #297

Vietnam 1966-1967 Medical Speaking Dec 2012 #300

1966 Cam Ranh Bay was still mostly sand and runways were PSP. Memories oh those memories jody Dec 2012 #355

Excuse me a11ig8r Dec 2012 #26

LOL I'm not an expert but see jody Dec 2012 #38

Clearly you are not. a11ig8r Dec 2012 #43

Thanks. nt jody Dec 2012 #51

Please explain exactly which war was fought ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #35

LOL apparently you didn't take an American History course in K-12 or learn anything if you did. nt jody Dec 2012 #39

Apparently you can't answer the question without attacking me whom ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #47

But, But, They are heros protecting our Freedoms, can't you see that. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #50

Jody's post below (#53) I think belongs to you. I thought you deserved the opportunity to respond. ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #58

Thats too funny,, but I guess someone with all that fancy K-12 book learning bahrbearian Dec 2012 #67

Scampered away with his tail between his legs too, defeated and pwned. Doesn't exhibit ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #73

Plainly it seems that a War Hero doesn't have to answer questions from those he perceives bahrbearian Dec 2012 #93

"Support the Troops" is an empty meaningless phrase. a11ig8r Dec 2012 #72

... L0oniX Dec 2012 #140

My reply to #35 was to it and had nothing to do with you. nt jody Dec 2012 #53

So, now you're calling me "it"? And you still have not answered my question. And... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #57

See #35. That's all I have to say about that. nt jody Dec 2012 #59

Because that's all you CAN say. You attacked me for no reason. Why? Are you not man ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #61

Goodbye nt jody Dec 2012 #63

Here is the text of post #35 uppityperson Dec 2012 #75

Ill guarentee you one thing. Separation Dec 2012 #415

Well said, thank you democrattotheend Dec 2012 #46

I think those that enlist are the biggest part of the problem. STOP WARS DON'T ENLIST! xtraxritical Dec 2012 #126

Right, blame 18-21 year old kids instead of the people who vote warlike leaders into office. stevenleser Dec 2012 #370

That piece-of-shit post needs to be deleted. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #389

Why? You make a condemnation of another person's opinion with nothing to back it up. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #395

Which US war was fought for roody Dec 2012 #121

Do I have the right to condemn a seriak killer even if I have never killed? Taverner Dec 2012 #158

First admit you condemn all who serve for deeds of a commander in chief jody Dec 2012 #166

Why would I apologize to you? Taverner Dec 2012 #167

Thanks for revealing your true character for all to see. You have your supporters but they are a jody Dec 2012 #174

Or you are one of the many sock puppets that have joined as of late Taverner Dec 2012 #175

Have you ever read the Democratic Party Platform? Nine pages that include "President Obama and the jody Dec 2012 #196

Yep, pomp n' circumstance, medals, and faux heroism for cannon fodder. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #253

I never cried for someone else to fight. I want NO ONE to fight Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #319

Understand but you have a problem with presidents and congress appointed over our military. jody Dec 2012 #330

But there's a whole cabal of military contractors and Pentagon officials who justify their existence Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #331

Several posts in this thread did blame "the individual soldiers". I object to that and that has been jody Dec 2012 #334

So "going along" is the default mode Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #337

You know I didn't propose "going along". I repeat "Blame the Commander in Chief and O-10s." nt jody Dec 2012 #353

So no one can complain about the military unless they have been in the military? really? Logical Dec 2012 #201

You know I didn't say that so I won't answer. nt jody Dec 2012 #206

If you're not going to answer theKed Dec 2012 #301

let me guess: you never served Skittles Dec 2012 #4

John Wayne never served. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #101

A group of Vietnam Veterans in wheelchairs wanted to meet with cliffordu Dec 2012 #106

I'm not surprised. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #125

I'd bet some skin that weak ass never served anything cliffordu Dec 2012 #102

What difference does that make? I have never been a cop either. Can I complain about them?? n-t Logical Dec 2012 #202

it makes a huge difference in the way you "complain" Skittles Dec 2012 #292

That kinda sums up this whole thread, doesn't it? TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #306

Great post Taverner. The cult of the veteran is abominable unless that vet was a draftee. byeya Dec 2012 #6

Youth, poor and not very educated, that's what the military needs. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #262

Bless your heart! ornotna Dec 2012 #7

Your right to sit there and openly disparage our nations troops... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #9

None of the wars after Korea (and maybe not even that) were fought to "secure our rights" Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #15

I agree... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #19

Most of those veterans are now dead Taverner Dec 2012 #186

Dont't forget the Indian, Spanish American or Philipines wars. Arian conquest plain and simple. nt jmg257 Dec 2012 #30

All debatable points... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #147

"Debateable"?????? How is Grenada "debatable"? Taverner Dec 2012 #195

No military response was necessary to any of those situations Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #261

Rights THEY'VE Secured for Us? earthside Dec 2012 #31

Thank you for this post. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #293

Military grunt psych. L0oniX Dec 2012 #87

+1,000,000,000,000 n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #274

I don't really worship the ground the military walks on hobbit709 Dec 2012 #10

Our military is incompetent. We've been whipped in Iraq and broiles Dec 2012 #11

It is? zappaman Dec 2012 #14

I would make them even more incompetent. I'm a pacifist. broiles Dec 2012 #221

Our troops have never lost a war but civilians appointed over them have used them incompetently. nt jody Dec 2012 #16

Nice dodge. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #45

Please study military history. Presidents select generals who will execute his will often to become jody Dec 2012 #48

What makes you think I haven't? truebluegreen Dec 2012 #94

"What makes you think I haven't?" Because you lump all troops together in your condemnation. jody Dec 2012 #128

I lump all troops together? truebluegreen Dec 2012 #176

"military have no responsibility whatsoever in losing wars?" lumps all from E-1 to O-10 together. jody Dec 2012 #203

<snort> truebluegreen Dec 2012 #383

Wow...that's some rightwing revisionist history there. Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #249

You know I didn't say that. I said presidents and O-10s who did their bidding used our troops jody Dec 2012 #259

You referred to the Constitutional cornerstone of civilian leadership of the military as civilians Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #312

Good point PA(1776) constitution said "XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the jody Dec 2012 #332

So I guess we should just let the military run the country? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #324

Its not the soldiers who are incompetent Joey Liberal Dec 2012 #92

But do you blame that on the rank and file soldiers? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #258

No. broiles Dec 2012 #328

Really, you mean Saddam Hussein and Mullah Omar won and are in control there? stevenleser Dec 2012 #374

We were kicked of Iraq and how broiles Dec 2012 #384

Using that logic, we were kicked out of Germany and Japan too. Thats ridiculous. stevenleser Dec 2012 #385

Me neither RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #17

Right fucking on. Gregorian Dec 2012 #22

I am 90% with you. tblue Dec 2012 #27

People in the military are Federal employees. a11ig8r Dec 2012 #28

Ever read the UCMJ? bluesbassman Dec 2012 #34

All the rest of us pay their salary and benefits. earthside Dec 2012 #36

"I don't care what the UCMJ says". Obviously. bluesbassman Dec 2012 #52

All federal employees must swear allegiance to the US Constitution a11ig8r Dec 2012 #70

True, but that does not make them soldiers, nor subject to UCMJ, does it? bluesbassman Dec 2012 #142

Some people "can't handle the truth". n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #390

The UCMJ says that military personnel are not Federal employees? a11ig8r Dec 2012 #41

I think the "nothing more, nothing less" is the issue. nt uppityperson Dec 2012 #44

See posts #44 and #52. That should make it clear. n/t bluesbassman Dec 2012 #54

I get a government check every month too. I'm retired. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #187

LOL, once again, so no one can complain about anything unless they have done the SAME thing? Logical Dec 2012 #204

One can complain about anything one wishes too. bluesbassman Dec 2012 #240

I hate being told I must "support the troops" mokawanis Dec 2012 #32

+1 L0oniX Dec 2012 #60

'Universal Soldier' earthside Dec 2012 #33

Thanks for posting that, it says it all. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #42

Monster - Steppenwolf L0oniX Dec 2012 #65

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #157

Another $2 Billion Week in Afghanistan comes to a close shintao Dec 2012 #37

I think people should have a healthy dose of respect and skepticism of the military. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #55

. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #62

I just saw the movie "Zero Dark Thirty" last weekend. Initech Dec 2012 #64

You think Bush/Cheney didn't know? earthside Dec 2012 #74

Oh I'm sure they knew. Without question. Initech Dec 2012 #99

I ask the same questions Taverner Dec 2012 #155

Our military is the cause of terrorism. L0oniX Dec 2012 #66

Probably an even bet, that the troops Riftaxe Dec 2012 #69

I think you are confused XRubicon Dec 2012 #77

Fortunate Son are you? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #78

I'm a Liberal and a Veteran Joey Liberal Dec 2012 #81

I must say Tanta Dec 2012 #109

Another liberal and veteran NT DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #409

Most people in the service are Repigs. . . . BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #82

You mean people voted for the side that didn't have people actively shitting on them? PavePusher Dec 2012 #391

Oh, look- another Taverner "attention seeking shock-post" (eyeroll). (n/t) richmwill Dec 2012 #84

As a vet I can say I do not ask, nor care. n/t Inkfreak Dec 2012 #88

Active duty and I agree... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #149

Some people wake up in the morning.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #90

+10000000000 Berserker Dec 2012 #127

Those I have know that are most critical of the military EmeraldCityGrl Dec 2012 #91

Well... You might alert on what I'm about to say: cliffordu Dec 2012 #95

+1 zappaman Dec 2012 #108

"useless and flaccid", huh. Bonobo Dec 2012 #119

LMFAO L0oniX Dec 2012 #124

No problem. Bonobo Dec 2012 #139

that's why we LOVE Cliffordu Skittles Dec 2012 #134

Good call a11ig8r Dec 2012 #298

Another insecure girlie-man exposed by the truth-bomb. Bava. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #414

Nope, not going to alert Taverner Dec 2012 #146

I hear pins dropping. n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #148

What cliffordu said. nt jody Dec 2012 #154

ditto n/t Pharaoh Dec 2012 #96

DITTO. I don't support the troops either. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #103

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #110

Fortunately, no-one is asking you to worship anyone or anything. PavePusher Dec 2012 #392

Federal Employees Dman292 Dec 2012 #105

+1 Oasis_ Dec 2012 #198

Do federal employees not deserve our respect? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #251

You speak for me as well. Bonobo Dec 2012 #112

To quote Chris Rock: cliffordu Dec 2012 #120

What a bullshit post. secondvariety Dec 2012 #114

LMAO n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #116

What a bullshit response Taverner Dec 2012 #144

What the fuck is wrong with you? secondvariety Dec 2012 #156

Did I say that? No. I did not. Taverner Dec 2012 #161

If your so sure of your position, secondvariety Dec 2012 #178

Ah I see...might makes right. That's what American Exceptionalism is all about. Taverner Dec 2012 #192

Who said anything about "might" or any kind of force? PavePusher Dec 2012 #394

+1 L0oniX Dec 2012 #211

Actually, I'm obeying the orders of my President, at the consent of Congress. PavePusher Dec 2012 #393

Damn, that's a courageous stand Canuckistanian Dec 2012 #122

Just curious, but have you ever served in the military? You do understand that.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #130

Some may think that by joining the military you are willingly dancing with the devil. L0oniX Dec 2012 #135

of course not Skittles Dec 2012 #136

Agree! nt jody Dec 2012 #356

when I see Abu Ghraib pictures I understand it's not all military lost-in-nj Dec 2012 #131

You really didn't read the news back then did you? Taverner Dec 2012 #170

again ... yes i understand but also lost-in-nj Dec 2012 #177

Not saying it is - but pretty much any investigator told us that was the tip of the iceberg Taverner Dec 2012 #181

No-one in the military is taught to "kill indiscriminately". Another slur from you. Feck off. n/ PavePusher Dec 2012 #396

Look a Veteran in the eye Berserker Dec 2012 #132

I have and did Taverner Dec 2012 #143

I think as a veteran Berserker Dec 2012 #150

Kiss kiss Taverner Dec 2012 #151

Well you are correct Berserker Dec 2012 #152

BTW...what makes you think I didn't serve my country? Taverner Dec 2012 #153

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LOL you are AWESOME Berserker Dec 2012 #169

How can you be a REAL Democrat? Taverner Dec 2012 #171

OK play toy Berserker Dec 2012 #180

Oh cool, now we're at homophobic taunts. "Limp-wristed????" Taverner Dec 2012 #183

Amazingly homophobic language, sexist as well. The US military has many women and men who Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #313

Your post was alerted stevenleser Dec 2012 #214

Wow, sexist much? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #255

Most of our so called wars, roody Dec 2012 #138

I don't give a flying fuck or a rat's ass. I'm a proud female Army veteran. DevonRex Dec 2012 #162

... Scurrilous Dec 2012 #164

Thank you Berserker Dec 2012 #165

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What a joke you are! Berserker Dec 2012 #182

Funny, I was going to say the same of you Taverner Dec 2012 #184

Awwww you are so cute Berserker Dec 2012 #188

I have an offer you can't refuse Taverner Dec 2012 #190

I've got DevonRex's back, any other vets want to fall in? nt jody Dec 2012 #199

Sure, and a pat on the back to you, too. JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #209

Definitely DevonRex Dec 2012 #224

Thanks. DevonRex Dec 2012 #222

Another thumbs up pecwae Dec 2012 #296

Cool! DevonRex Dec 2012 #381

Proud USAF vet here who supports you. These ridiculous OP's we get every few weeks are just that. stevenleser Dec 2012 #372

Exactly. DevonRex Dec 2012 #373

From one vet to another - "High Five". nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #377

Right backatcha. ^^^^^ DevonRex Dec 2012 #382

Considering how much you worship your ego, opinions, and indulgences, there is time for little else. Throd Dec 2012 #172

Hey, how's Rove doing? Taverner Dec 2012 #173

Tell us Berserker Dec 2012 #185

Hey I'm not the college republican intern working out of that Langley office Taverner Dec 2012 #189

ARE YOU SURE? Berserker Dec 2012 #191

I am toying with a small mouse, who thinks he or she has a chance Taverner Dec 2012 #194

I agree with a lot of what you said... Captain Stern Dec 2012 #179

I would only support the troops if they were fighting a war based on self-defense, or quinnox Dec 2012 #197

Yep - pretty much. You win this thread AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #230

Yes, people act as if patriotism and militarism are the same thing Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #263

no need for this malz Dec 2012 #205

Agree! nt jody Dec 2012 #357

Well, I know you can be a pain in the ass here, Taverner, but condoleeza Dec 2012 #208

^^^This^^^ countryjake Dec 2012 #218

Your post brings so much back to mind-- JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #223

Yeah, me too JohnnyLib2 and Countryjake condoleeza Dec 2012 #248

Excellent post. theKed Dec 2012 #311

Agree I'm confident JohnnyLib2 & I march to the same drummer re "don't know the answer" but we hope. jody Dec 2012 #366

Well Said, Condoleeza. Thanks. Paladin Dec 2012 #303

I didn't lose a fiancé, but I'm also part of the generation where 50,000 Americans died Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #321

I've seen shameful posts before Aerows Dec 2012 #210

On average, US veterans commit 18 suicides per day. Successful suicides. Per DAY! NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #212

I don't understand it either Aerows Dec 2012 #215

As someone who AsahinaKimi Dec 2012 #244

Kimiko! Aerows Dec 2012 #256

hi! AsahinaKimi Dec 2012 #264

I do not begrudge the veterans good treatment, but as a nation, we have to get over the following Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #270

Your second one is totally fucked up. Fuck that shit. DevonRex Dec 2012 #282

Sorry, Devon, but I can't see anything in the wars since Korea Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #285

You may not Aerows Dec 2012 #288

Some serve with honor; others don't Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #289

"Honor" would be to get out of a corrupt military. earthside Dec 2012 #352

You're confusing issues with institutions. DevonRex Dec 2012 #291

Hit that one out of the park! nt jody Dec 2012 #360

Agree! nt jody Dec 2012 #359

And I'll take exception to #3. PavePusher Dec 2012 #398

I have relatives who think that way Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #401

But you're using that brush on everyone. And that doesn't work. So knock it off. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #405

It's not an uncommon attitude--I've heard it from others as well-- Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #407

AsahinaKimi.... Kath1 Dec 2012 #280

dou itashimashite AsahinaKimi Dec 2012 #286

I care for them as PEOPLE. As such, I want fewer vets. Fewer atrocities of war. Fewer suicides. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #217

Between your post and LittleBlue's DevonRex Dec 2012 #267

of course you haven't. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #271

Ok. DevonRex Dec 2012 #276

I understand, it's tense in here. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #279

I want to pile on a system that takes mostly naive young people, puts them Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #275

If you're serious, then attack presidents and the O-10s they select and Congress that funds the jody Dec 2012 #364

I'll save my sympathy for the tens of thousands we've butchered LittleBlue Dec 2012 #220

That's the standard bullshit line Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #266

When you get shot at Aerows Dec 2012 #268

I hope your family members stay safe, and I hope you're asking your Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #277

Agree. Unless you've marched in their boots, don't condemn the "military" that includes E-1 to O-10. jody Dec 2012 #365

Agree! nt jody Dec 2012 #358

Heroes my ass LittleBlue Dec 2012 #213

dick post bigtree Dec 2012 #229

And who are you and who really gives a fuck what you think rl6214 Dec 2012 #231

Einstein sums up my views very well: white_wolf Dec 2012 #234

Patriotism is for fools: See list bellow... L0oniX Dec 2012 #342

I am vehemently anti-war Kath1 Dec 2012 #238

"officials who use them for unjust purposes" and IMO the worst offenders are Dubya Bush and Obama. jody Dec 2012 #278

That's like being against gun violence a11ig8r Dec 2012 #310

So, let's s'pose the military closes up shop nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #269

I support the troops so much I want to bring them home right now. And care for them as needed. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #287

As a Vet I can say OK that is your right this is what freedom is about Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #294

The best response to this is "Critical Acclaim" by Avenged Sevenfold diphthong Dec 2012 #295

I think Rise Against's "Hero of War" is a much better response to this thread. white_wolf Dec 2012 #351

Taverner... sibelian Dec 2012 #304

99% deathrind Dec 2012 #305

Wow, you post a perfectly reasonable but controversial opinion on a "democratic" board... Jokerman Dec 2012 #308

I used to think that rampant militarism was the realm of Republicans a11ig8r Dec 2012 #309

The "Old Guard" threads of a couple months ago showed me that obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #316

+1 DU = We don't discuss what we object to. We just insult like school bullies. L0oniX Dec 2012 #339

"you suck" has become the new normal on DU.... mike_c Dec 2012 #346

So, if you disagree with part or all of the OP's post, you're part of the "floodgates of hate"?..... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #354

I dont find attacks on 18-21 year old kids who dont know any better generally compelling. stevenleser Dec 2012 #368

In an attempt to be agreeable. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #315

Bravo! Agree Totally! Mosaic Dec 2012 #320

I agree. 99Forever Dec 2012 #326

What the rah-rah military supporters forget is that Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #333

Every empire in history.... 99Forever Dec 2012 #338

Well, it's a good job with benefits. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #336

Wow, got some heat from this post didn't ya? Rex Dec 2012 #340

I don't worship the ground they walk on treestar Dec 2012 #341

i'm sure they feel the same about you arely staircase Dec 2012 #343

I come from a long line of soldiers... SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #344

+1000000000 L0oniX Dec 2012 #349

agree, 100 percent.... mike_c Dec 2012 #345

Well Old Troop Dec 2012 #347

The military budget should be cut by 75% and arms aid or sales to other countries should be illegal. PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #348

This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #350

You spend a lot of time on RW forums? mokawanis Dec 2012 #363

This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #367

I Watched "Seven Days In May" On Turner Classic Movies, Today. Paladin Dec 2012 #361

Great! Glad you said this. Military worship Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #362

I don't think that having served gives me any greater right to comment but..... underpants Dec 2012 #369

Don't forget the militarism of sporting events lutefisk Dec 2012 #375

Three comments of yours hidden, your transparency page exposed... stevenleser Dec 2012 #376

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #379

I agree with you Amaya Dec 2012 #400

What is your axe to grind? DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #403

Thanks Taverner for a timely message! Peace on Earth! 7wo7rees Dec 2012 #404

Gee, if I did not know better zappaman Dec 2012 #410

Why the fuck do you care Moses2SandyKoufax Dec 2012 #411

Why do I care? DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #412

"Why the fuck do you care" zappaman Dec 2012 #413

And I will fight to my last breath against your bashing of SlimJimmy Jan 2013 #416