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MessiahRp

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293. Thank you for this post.

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:33 AM

Dec 2012

There is this line we probably should draw here. What happened to Vietnam Vets when they came back and were treated with disdain, well that seemed to burn into our collective psyche and now we have this incredible need for hero worship with our troops as we make them out to be infallible.

I define my thoughts on the military like this:

I despise war but I hate the politicians that force it to happen.

I despise war criminals in the military and think no amount of stress or PTSD should shield you from being charged for abuse or murder if you step over the line.

I have personally found a lot of military members I have run into to be very right wing, I think that is because Armed Forces Radio brainwashes soldiers with Right Wing Radio and then commanding officers are forcing right wing evangelism onto soldiers as well. That pisses me off.

I don't hate the soldier but I don't think they are angels that deserve protection from criticism and when warranted criminal probes.

And this whole thing about somehow the military being the reason we have rights? Total bullshit. Thomas Jefferson would be puking with utter disgust if he heard that. The Revolutionary War was the one and only time we fought for rights. Everything since has been based around financial interests, yes even the Civil War. That's not defending freedom. That's being a personal police force for the wealthy elite.

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I do not worship the ground our military walks on [View all] Taverner Dec 2012 OP

. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #1

Exactly as expected. n/t GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #265

military people have a huge sense of entitlement. have many chats with military types and msongs Dec 2012 #2

LOL! Many of them are on welfare to survive shintao Dec 2012 #40

Liar. cliffordu Dec 2012 #97

LOL, yes, because only you do. And no veteran has EVER said what he said they did. n-t Logical Dec 2012 #200

When you risk life and limb Aerows Dec 2012 #219

BULLSHIT AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #228

+1 L0oniX Dec 2012 #235

That goes for you, as well n/t Aerows Dec 2012 #254

LMAO n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #257

it is good to know Aerows Dec 2012 #252

A vague, if not cryptic response AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #260

well-said Vattel Dec 2012 #307

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. PavePusher Dec 2012 #388

When was the last time anyone risked life and limb to serve their country? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #239

...many chats with military types... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #225

You and I rarely agree RomneyLies Dec 2012 #272

Liar. Apparently neither do you. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #243

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Dec 2012 #281

OK, I wrote a whole thing in reply, but it seems everybody got juried out of the thread, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #290

I had read the OP H2O Man Dec 2012 #329

:) lonestarnot Dec 2012 #302

Not a liar. 2ndAmForComputers Dec 2012 #399

What he said. DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #402

Oh, bull. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #107

You should Berserker Dec 2012 #111

I spent a long, full career in the military, and your bigoted statements do not reflect my views MADem Dec 2012 #133

I endorse MADem's post nt jody Dec 2012 #141

Second. nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #193

Add another supporter Aerows Dec 2012 #216

Hear hear! DevonRex Dec 2012 #283

Really? Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #145

While I do not disrespect the soldiers.. sendero Dec 2012 #299

This says it all moman Dec 2012 #327

As do I. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #378

+1 Go Vols Dec 2012 #335

msongs, given that they make shit for going off to die in oil wars and come back roguevalley Dec 2012 #207

You're absolutely right. And that's the heart of the BIG ISSUE. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #245

Not all vets are like that. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #226

Not all, but far too many. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #246

With the difference being that military people perform a valuble service for their "entitlement". PavePusher Dec 2012 #387

You have yet to name a single valuable service. You have described an ill-conceived jobs program Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #397

Sorry, I won't play your stupid game. PavePusher Dec 2012 #406

No, of course you won't. That would be beneath a brave, self sacrificing hero like you, wouldn't it? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #408

OK you don't like the military but don't use special cases to disparage all who serve unless you've jody Dec 2012 #3

You and I don't agree on much RomneyLies Dec 2012 #5

Snort. Scuba Dec 2012 #317

J*** you are truly full of shit. Freedom of speech dates to the heroic founding fathers and all the byeya Dec 2012 #8

The founding fathers pledged "their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor" hobbit709 Dec 2012 #12

Another naysayer who never served enjoys freedoms protected by our military. nt jody Dec 2012 #13

LOL Exactly what Freedoms are you talking about? bahrbearian Dec 2012 #20

"what Freedoms"? If you need an answer then you either haven't graduate from elementary school or jody Dec 2012 #56

The Big Lie is that war is about "protecting our freedoms." alarimer Dec 2012 #79

If you have a problem with any war, blame civilians appointed over the military, and voters who jody Dec 2012 #83

Of course, because they are just following orders? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #241

Have you ever served in a combat theater? nt jody Dec 2012 #250

Have you ever lived in a country that was being militarily occupied or carpet bombed by a larger Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #325

our national interests. ashling Dec 2012 #113

Agreed AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #236

Well I'm still waiting on an Answer. I am certainly not the brightess ,maybe you could enlighten me bahrbearian Dec 2012 #86

See #56 nt jody Dec 2012 #89

Oh I get it, you fought to protect the freedom of insulting peoples Intelligence. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #100

I teach elementary school and the roody Dec 2012 #123

I'm not a historian but my experience is many K-12 schools are failing in teaching math. The number jody Dec 2012 #137

It does AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #242

Good luck! KansDem Dec 2012 #314

I need an answer mokawanis Dec 2012 #284

you (we) elect the people who send them there arely staircase Dec 2012 #371

How many times in American history has our freedom been truly "threatened" Hugabear Dec 2012 #386

Hell yeah! UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #115

Cite specific examples of "freedoms protected by our military" a11ig8r Dec 2012 #323

The Bill of Rights would have been tough to write if British troops were all up in their face... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #18

So much bullshit in this post. white_wolf Dec 2012 #21

I was an ACLU member for decades stopping only when it opposed SCOTUS on the Second Amendment. jody Dec 2012 #24

And every war before that, except possibly, the American Civil war. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #273

Do you remember the 1976 TV show "City of Angels?" KansDem Dec 2012 #318

"Hundreds of millions who supported their efforts... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #23

I was a child in WWII and my experience is different from what you recall from second hand tales jody Dec 2012 #25

Why Jody-if I didn't know better I'd think... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #29

You stated you were a "fellow veteran". Regale us with tales of battlefield heroics and nominations jody Dec 2012 #49

Actually, stateside wartime... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #68

Vietnam 1966 and again 1969. nt jody Dec 2012 #71

Well, if you liked having helicopters nearby... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #76

Agree as I stated elsewhere. Don't understand #23 unless you had an unfortunate military service? nt jody Dec 2012 #80

No, it was a great base and a soft assignment... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #104

Thanks for your reply pangaia Dec 2012 #117

Actually I misposted... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #129

Thank you for your service, jody! Joey Liberal Dec 2012 #85

Those young, naive grunts whether volunteer or draftee, who obeyed Johnson and Nixon elected jody Dec 2012 #98

Thank You Berserker Dec 2012 #118

If you want a Pro-War party join the Repubican Party. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #160

That doesn't mean Aerows Dec 2012 #227

All of your being, really? a11ig8r Dec 2012 #322

No I have no disdain for the Military bahrbearian Dec 2012 #380

No, it isn't Aerows Dec 2012 #232

"the Democrat party"? That's usually a 'tell'... PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #233

This entire thread Aerows Dec 2012 #237

You have the right to those feelings and they (in theory) fight for his right to have his. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #247

"Democrat Party" -Ooops! Watching a bit too much Fox News, I think. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #297

Vietnam 1966-1967 Medical Speaking Dec 2012 #300

1966 Cam Ranh Bay was still mostly sand and runways were PSP. Memories oh those memories jody Dec 2012 #355

Excuse me a11ig8r Dec 2012 #26

LOL I'm not an expert but see jody Dec 2012 #38

Clearly you are not. a11ig8r Dec 2012 #43

Thanks. nt jody Dec 2012 #51

Please explain exactly which war was fought ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #35

LOL apparently you didn't take an American History course in K-12 or learn anything if you did. nt jody Dec 2012 #39

Apparently you can't answer the question without attacking me whom ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #47

But, But, They are heros protecting our Freedoms, can't you see that. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #50

Jody's post below (#53) I think belongs to you. I thought you deserved the opportunity to respond. ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #58

Thats too funny,, but I guess someone with all that fancy K-12 book learning bahrbearian Dec 2012 #67

Scampered away with his tail between his legs too, defeated and pwned. Doesn't exhibit ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #73

Plainly it seems that a War Hero doesn't have to answer questions from those he perceives bahrbearian Dec 2012 #93

"Support the Troops" is an empty meaningless phrase. a11ig8r Dec 2012 #72

... L0oniX Dec 2012 #140

My reply to #35 was to it and had nothing to do with you. nt jody Dec 2012 #53

So, now you're calling me "it"? And you still have not answered my question. And... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #57

See #35. That's all I have to say about that. nt jody Dec 2012 #59

Because that's all you CAN say. You attacked me for no reason. Why? Are you not man ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #61

Goodbye nt jody Dec 2012 #63

Here is the text of post #35 uppityperson Dec 2012 #75

Ill guarentee you one thing. Separation Dec 2012 #415

Well said, thank you democrattotheend Dec 2012 #46

I think those that enlist are the biggest part of the problem. STOP WARS DON'T ENLIST! xtraxritical Dec 2012 #126

Right, blame 18-21 year old kids instead of the people who vote warlike leaders into office. stevenleser Dec 2012 #370

That piece-of-shit post needs to be deleted. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #389

Why? You make a condemnation of another person's opinion with nothing to back it up. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #395

Which US war was fought for roody Dec 2012 #121

Do I have the right to condemn a seriak killer even if I have never killed? Taverner Dec 2012 #158

First admit you condemn all who serve for deeds of a commander in chief jody Dec 2012 #166

Why would I apologize to you? Taverner Dec 2012 #167

Thanks for revealing your true character for all to see. You have your supporters but they are a jody Dec 2012 #174

Or you are one of the many sock puppets that have joined as of late Taverner Dec 2012 #175

Have you ever read the Democratic Party Platform? Nine pages that include "President Obama and the jody Dec 2012 #196

Yep, pomp n' circumstance, medals, and faux heroism for cannon fodder. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #253

I never cried for someone else to fight. I want NO ONE to fight Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #319

Understand but you have a problem with presidents and congress appointed over our military. jody Dec 2012 #330

But there's a whole cabal of military contractors and Pentagon officials who justify their existence Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #331

Several posts in this thread did blame "the individual soldiers". I object to that and that has been jody Dec 2012 #334

So "going along" is the default mode Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #337

You know I didn't propose "going along". I repeat "Blame the Commander in Chief and O-10s." nt jody Dec 2012 #353

So no one can complain about the military unless they have been in the military? really? Logical Dec 2012 #201

You know I didn't say that so I won't answer. nt jody Dec 2012 #206

If you're not going to answer theKed Dec 2012 #301

let me guess: you never served Skittles Dec 2012 #4

John Wayne never served. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #101

A group of Vietnam Veterans in wheelchairs wanted to meet with cliffordu Dec 2012 #106

I'm not surprised. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #125

I'd bet some skin that weak ass never served anything cliffordu Dec 2012 #102

What difference does that make? I have never been a cop either. Can I complain about them?? n-t Logical Dec 2012 #202

it makes a huge difference in the way you "complain" Skittles Dec 2012 #292

That kinda sums up this whole thread, doesn't it? TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #306

Great post Taverner. The cult of the veteran is abominable unless that vet was a draftee. byeya Dec 2012 #6

Youth, poor and not very educated, that's what the military needs. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #262

Bless your heart! ornotna Dec 2012 #7

Your right to sit there and openly disparage our nations troops... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #9

None of the wars after Korea (and maybe not even that) were fought to "secure our rights" Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #15

I agree... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #19

Most of those veterans are now dead Taverner Dec 2012 #186

Dont't forget the Indian, Spanish American or Philipines wars. Arian conquest plain and simple. nt jmg257 Dec 2012 #30

All debatable points... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #147

"Debateable"?????? How is Grenada "debatable"? Taverner Dec 2012 #195

No military response was necessary to any of those situations Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #261

Rights THEY'VE Secured for Us? earthside Dec 2012 #31

Thank you for this post. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #293

Military grunt psych. L0oniX Dec 2012 #87

+1,000,000,000,000 n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #274

I don't really worship the ground the military walks on hobbit709 Dec 2012 #10

Our military is incompetent. We've been whipped in Iraq and broiles Dec 2012 #11

It is? zappaman Dec 2012 #14

I would make them even more incompetent. I'm a pacifist. broiles Dec 2012 #221

Our troops have never lost a war but civilians appointed over them have used them incompetently. nt jody Dec 2012 #16

Nice dodge. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #45

Please study military history. Presidents select generals who will execute his will often to become jody Dec 2012 #48

What makes you think I haven't? truebluegreen Dec 2012 #94

"What makes you think I haven't?" Because you lump all troops together in your condemnation. jody Dec 2012 #128

I lump all troops together? truebluegreen Dec 2012 #176

"military have no responsibility whatsoever in losing wars?" lumps all from E-1 to O-10 together. jody Dec 2012 #203

<snort> truebluegreen Dec 2012 #383

Wow...that's some rightwing revisionist history there. Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #249

You know I didn't say that. I said presidents and O-10s who did their bidding used our troops jody Dec 2012 #259

You referred to the Constitutional cornerstone of civilian leadership of the military as civilians Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #312

Good point PA(1776) constitution said "XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the jody Dec 2012 #332

So I guess we should just let the military run the country? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #324

Its not the soldiers who are incompetent Joey Liberal Dec 2012 #92

But do you blame that on the rank and file soldiers? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #258

No. broiles Dec 2012 #328

Really, you mean Saddam Hussein and Mullah Omar won and are in control there? stevenleser Dec 2012 #374

We were kicked of Iraq and how broiles Dec 2012 #384

Using that logic, we were kicked out of Germany and Japan too. Thats ridiculous. stevenleser Dec 2012 #385

Me neither RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #17

Right fucking on. Gregorian Dec 2012 #22

I am 90% with you. tblue Dec 2012 #27

People in the military are Federal employees. a11ig8r Dec 2012 #28

Ever read the UCMJ? bluesbassman Dec 2012 #34

All the rest of us pay their salary and benefits. earthside Dec 2012 #36

"I don't care what the UCMJ says". Obviously. bluesbassman Dec 2012 #52

All federal employees must swear allegiance to the US Constitution a11ig8r Dec 2012 #70

True, but that does not make them soldiers, nor subject to UCMJ, does it? bluesbassman Dec 2012 #142

Some people "can't handle the truth". n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #390

The UCMJ says that military personnel are not Federal employees? a11ig8r Dec 2012 #41

I think the "nothing more, nothing less" is the issue. nt uppityperson Dec 2012 #44

See posts #44 and #52. That should make it clear. n/t bluesbassman Dec 2012 #54

I get a government check every month too. I'm retired. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #187

LOL, once again, so no one can complain about anything unless they have done the SAME thing? Logical Dec 2012 #204

One can complain about anything one wishes too. bluesbassman Dec 2012 #240

I hate being told I must "support the troops" mokawanis Dec 2012 #32

+1 L0oniX Dec 2012 #60

'Universal Soldier' earthside Dec 2012 #33

Thanks for posting that, it says it all. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #42

Monster - Steppenwolf L0oniX Dec 2012 #65

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #157

Another $2 Billion Week in Afghanistan comes to a close shintao Dec 2012 #37

I think people should have a healthy dose of respect and skepticism of the military. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #55

. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #62

I just saw the movie "Zero Dark Thirty" last weekend. Initech Dec 2012 #64

You think Bush/Cheney didn't know? earthside Dec 2012 #74

Oh I'm sure they knew. Without question. Initech Dec 2012 #99

I ask the same questions Taverner Dec 2012 #155

Our military is the cause of terrorism. L0oniX Dec 2012 #66

Probably an even bet, that the troops Riftaxe Dec 2012 #69

I think you are confused XRubicon Dec 2012 #77

Fortunate Son are you? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #78

I'm a Liberal and a Veteran Joey Liberal Dec 2012 #81

I must say Tanta Dec 2012 #109

Another liberal and veteran NT DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #409

Most people in the service are Repigs. . . . BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #82

You mean people voted for the side that didn't have people actively shitting on them? PavePusher Dec 2012 #391

Oh, look- another Taverner "attention seeking shock-post" (eyeroll). (n/t) richmwill Dec 2012 #84

As a vet I can say I do not ask, nor care. n/t Inkfreak Dec 2012 #88

Active duty and I agree... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #149

Some people wake up in the morning.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #90

+10000000000 Berserker Dec 2012 #127

Those I have know that are most critical of the military EmeraldCityGrl Dec 2012 #91

Well... You might alert on what I'm about to say: cliffordu Dec 2012 #95

+1 zappaman Dec 2012 #108

"useless and flaccid", huh. Bonobo Dec 2012 #119

LMFAO L0oniX Dec 2012 #124

No problem. Bonobo Dec 2012 #139

that's why we LOVE Cliffordu Skittles Dec 2012 #134

Good call a11ig8r Dec 2012 #298

Another insecure girlie-man exposed by the truth-bomb. Bava. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #414

Nope, not going to alert Taverner Dec 2012 #146

I hear pins dropping. n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #148

What cliffordu said. nt jody Dec 2012 #154

ditto n/t Pharaoh Dec 2012 #96

DITTO. I don't support the troops either. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #103

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #110

Fortunately, no-one is asking you to worship anyone or anything. PavePusher Dec 2012 #392

Federal Employees Dman292 Dec 2012 #105

+1 Oasis_ Dec 2012 #198

Do federal employees not deserve our respect? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #251

You speak for me as well. Bonobo Dec 2012 #112

To quote Chris Rock: cliffordu Dec 2012 #120

What a bullshit post. secondvariety Dec 2012 #114

LMAO n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #116

What a bullshit response Taverner Dec 2012 #144

What the fuck is wrong with you? secondvariety Dec 2012 #156

Did I say that? No. I did not. Taverner Dec 2012 #161

If your so sure of your position, secondvariety Dec 2012 #178

Ah I see...might makes right. That's what American Exceptionalism is all about. Taverner Dec 2012 #192

Who said anything about "might" or any kind of force? PavePusher Dec 2012 #394

+1 L0oniX Dec 2012 #211

Actually, I'm obeying the orders of my President, at the consent of Congress. PavePusher Dec 2012 #393

Damn, that's a courageous stand Canuckistanian Dec 2012 #122

Just curious, but have you ever served in the military? You do understand that.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #130

Some may think that by joining the military you are willingly dancing with the devil. L0oniX Dec 2012 #135

of course not Skittles Dec 2012 #136

Agree! nt jody Dec 2012 #356

when I see Abu Ghraib pictures I understand it's not all military lost-in-nj Dec 2012 #131

You really didn't read the news back then did you? Taverner Dec 2012 #170

again ... yes i understand but also lost-in-nj Dec 2012 #177

Not saying it is - but pretty much any investigator told us that was the tip of the iceberg Taverner Dec 2012 #181

No-one in the military is taught to "kill indiscriminately". Another slur from you. Feck off. n/ PavePusher Dec 2012 #396

Look a Veteran in the eye Berserker Dec 2012 #132

I have and did Taverner Dec 2012 #143

I think as a veteran Berserker Dec 2012 #150

Kiss kiss Taverner Dec 2012 #151

Well you are correct Berserker Dec 2012 #152

BTW...what makes you think I didn't serve my country? Taverner Dec 2012 #153

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LOL you are AWESOME Berserker Dec 2012 #169

How can you be a REAL Democrat? Taverner Dec 2012 #171

OK play toy Berserker Dec 2012 #180

Oh cool, now we're at homophobic taunts. "Limp-wristed????" Taverner Dec 2012 #183

Amazingly homophobic language, sexist as well. The US military has many women and men who Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #313

Your post was alerted stevenleser Dec 2012 #214

Wow, sexist much? Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #255

Most of our so called wars, roody Dec 2012 #138

I don't give a flying fuck or a rat's ass. I'm a proud female Army veteran. DevonRex Dec 2012 #162

... Scurrilous Dec 2012 #164

Thank you Berserker Dec 2012 #165

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #168

What a joke you are! Berserker Dec 2012 #182

Funny, I was going to say the same of you Taverner Dec 2012 #184

Awwww you are so cute Berserker Dec 2012 #188

I have an offer you can't refuse Taverner Dec 2012 #190

I've got DevonRex's back, any other vets want to fall in? nt jody Dec 2012 #199

Sure, and a pat on the back to you, too. JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #209

Definitely DevonRex Dec 2012 #224

Thanks. DevonRex Dec 2012 #222

Another thumbs up pecwae Dec 2012 #296

Cool! DevonRex Dec 2012 #381

Proud USAF vet here who supports you. These ridiculous OP's we get every few weeks are just that. stevenleser Dec 2012 #372

Exactly. DevonRex Dec 2012 #373

From one vet to another - "High Five". nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #377

Right backatcha. ^^^^^ DevonRex Dec 2012 #382

Considering how much you worship your ego, opinions, and indulgences, there is time for little else. Throd Dec 2012 #172

Hey, how's Rove doing? Taverner Dec 2012 #173

Tell us Berserker Dec 2012 #185

Hey I'm not the college republican intern working out of that Langley office Taverner Dec 2012 #189

ARE YOU SURE? Berserker Dec 2012 #191

I am toying with a small mouse, who thinks he or she has a chance Taverner Dec 2012 #194

I agree with a lot of what you said... Captain Stern Dec 2012 #179

I would only support the troops if they were fighting a war based on self-defense, or quinnox Dec 2012 #197

Yep - pretty much. You win this thread AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #230

Yes, people act as if patriotism and militarism are the same thing Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #263

no need for this malz Dec 2012 #205

Agree! nt jody Dec 2012 #357

Well, I know you can be a pain in the ass here, Taverner, but condoleeza Dec 2012 #208

^^^This^^^ countryjake Dec 2012 #218

Your post brings so much back to mind-- JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #223

Yeah, me too JohnnyLib2 and Countryjake condoleeza Dec 2012 #248

Excellent post. theKed Dec 2012 #311

Agree I'm confident JohnnyLib2 & I march to the same drummer re "don't know the answer" but we hope. jody Dec 2012 #366

Well Said, Condoleeza. Thanks. Paladin Dec 2012 #303

I didn't lose a fiancé, but I'm also part of the generation where 50,000 Americans died Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #321

I've seen shameful posts before Aerows Dec 2012 #210

On average, US veterans commit 18 suicides per day. Successful suicides. Per DAY! NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #212

I don't understand it either Aerows Dec 2012 #215

As someone who AsahinaKimi Dec 2012 #244

Kimiko! Aerows Dec 2012 #256

hi! AsahinaKimi Dec 2012 #264

I do not begrudge the veterans good treatment, but as a nation, we have to get over the following Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #270

Your second one is totally fucked up. Fuck that shit. DevonRex Dec 2012 #282

Sorry, Devon, but I can't see anything in the wars since Korea Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #285

You may not Aerows Dec 2012 #288

Some serve with honor; others don't Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #289

"Honor" would be to get out of a corrupt military. earthside Dec 2012 #352

You're confusing issues with institutions. DevonRex Dec 2012 #291

Hit that one out of the park! nt jody Dec 2012 #360

Agree! nt jody Dec 2012 #359

And I'll take exception to #3. PavePusher Dec 2012 #398

I have relatives who think that way Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #401

But you're using that brush on everyone. And that doesn't work. So knock it off. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #405

It's not an uncommon attitude--I've heard it from others as well-- Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #407

AsahinaKimi.... Kath1 Dec 2012 #280

dou itashimashite AsahinaKimi Dec 2012 #286

I care for them as PEOPLE. As such, I want fewer vets. Fewer atrocities of war. Fewer suicides. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #217

Between your post and LittleBlue's DevonRex Dec 2012 #267

of course you haven't. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #271

Ok. DevonRex Dec 2012 #276

I understand, it's tense in here. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #279

I want to pile on a system that takes mostly naive young people, puts them Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #275

If you're serious, then attack presidents and the O-10s they select and Congress that funds the jody Dec 2012 #364

I'll save my sympathy for the tens of thousands we've butchered LittleBlue Dec 2012 #220

That's the standard bullshit line Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #266

When you get shot at Aerows Dec 2012 #268

I hope your family members stay safe, and I hope you're asking your Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #277

Agree. Unless you've marched in their boots, don't condemn the "military" that includes E-1 to O-10. jody Dec 2012 #365

Agree! nt jody Dec 2012 #358

Heroes my ass LittleBlue Dec 2012 #213

dick post bigtree Dec 2012 #229

And who are you and who really gives a fuck what you think rl6214 Dec 2012 #231

Einstein sums up my views very well: white_wolf Dec 2012 #234

Patriotism is for fools: See list bellow... L0oniX Dec 2012 #342

I am vehemently anti-war Kath1 Dec 2012 #238

"officials who use them for unjust purposes" and IMO the worst offenders are Dubya Bush and Obama. jody Dec 2012 #278

That's like being against gun violence a11ig8r Dec 2012 #310

So, let's s'pose the military closes up shop nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #269

I support the troops so much I want to bring them home right now. And care for them as needed. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #287

As a Vet I can say OK that is your right this is what freedom is about Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #294

The best response to this is "Critical Acclaim" by Avenged Sevenfold diphthong Dec 2012 #295

I think Rise Against's "Hero of War" is a much better response to this thread. white_wolf Dec 2012 #351

Taverner... sibelian Dec 2012 #304

99% deathrind Dec 2012 #305

Wow, you post a perfectly reasonable but controversial opinion on a "democratic" board... Jokerman Dec 2012 #308

I used to think that rampant militarism was the realm of Republicans a11ig8r Dec 2012 #309

The "Old Guard" threads of a couple months ago showed me that obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #316

+1 DU = We don't discuss what we object to. We just insult like school bullies. L0oniX Dec 2012 #339

"you suck" has become the new normal on DU.... mike_c Dec 2012 #346

So, if you disagree with part or all of the OP's post, you're part of the "floodgates of hate"?..... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #354

I dont find attacks on 18-21 year old kids who dont know any better generally compelling. stevenleser Dec 2012 #368

In an attempt to be agreeable. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #315

Bravo! Agree Totally! Mosaic Dec 2012 #320

I agree. 99Forever Dec 2012 #326

What the rah-rah military supporters forget is that Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #333

Every empire in history.... 99Forever Dec 2012 #338

Well, it's a good job with benefits. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #336

Wow, got some heat from this post didn't ya? Rex Dec 2012 #340

I don't worship the ground they walk on treestar Dec 2012 #341

i'm sure they feel the same about you arely staircase Dec 2012 #343

I come from a long line of soldiers... SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #344

+1000000000 L0oniX Dec 2012 #349

agree, 100 percent.... mike_c Dec 2012 #345

Well Old Troop Dec 2012 #347

The military budget should be cut by 75% and arms aid or sales to other countries should be illegal. PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #348

This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #350

You spend a lot of time on RW forums? mokawanis Dec 2012 #363

This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #367

I Watched "Seven Days In May" On Turner Classic Movies, Today. Paladin Dec 2012 #361

Great! Glad you said this. Military worship Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #362

I don't think that having served gives me any greater right to comment but..... underpants Dec 2012 #369

Don't forget the militarism of sporting events lutefisk Dec 2012 #375

Three comments of yours hidden, your transparency page exposed... stevenleser Dec 2012 #376

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #379

I agree with you Amaya Dec 2012 #400

What is your axe to grind? DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #403

Thanks Taverner for a timely message! Peace on Earth! 7wo7rees Dec 2012 #404

Gee, if I did not know better zappaman Dec 2012 #410

Why the fuck do you care Moses2SandyKoufax Dec 2012 #411

Why do I care? DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #412

"Why the fuck do you care" zappaman Dec 2012 #413

And I will fight to my last breath against your bashing of SlimJimmy Jan 2013 #416