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dballance

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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:06 AM Dec 2012

So Why Would Zimmerman Not Necessarily Have Deserved a Swollen Nose and Bruises? [View all]

Coverage has seemed to focus on the fact that perhaps Tryavon Martin fought with Zimmerman and caused him some injuries.

Well why should Martin have NOT fought with Zimmerman? Zimmerman obviously disobeyed the instructions of law enforcement by exiting his vehicle and pursuing Martin. Zimmerman had absolutely no authority to detain or question Martin.

So any normal person who is accosted by some cop want-to-be like Zimmerman is perfectly justified in defending themselves. Why Zimmerman seems to be the only person in this situation entitled to "stand your ground" laws and Martin is labeled a criminal if he fought Zimmerman and perhaps inflicted wounds upon him baffles me. Was Martin not entitled to "stand your ground" protection?

Zimmerman may have been neighborhood watch but that does not confer any authority on him other than the right to call 911. He did that and then did exactly the opposite of what he was told to do. The 911 operators obviously know that people like Zimmerman are not trained to handle these situations and certainly have no legal authority to act in these situations.

So if Martin did react to a non-uniformed person who could not identify himself as law enforcement and approached him by getting into a physical altercation then so what? It seems very likely Zimmerman provoked any sort of altercation. I highly doubt the guy on the way home with Skittles and Iced Tea was looking for a fight. I find it much more likely Zimmerman, the guy who flunked tests to become law enforcement and was patrolling his gated community with a gun was looking to feel his penis wasn't too small.

Someone is going to have to explain to me why Martin didn't have a right to defend himself and perhaps inflict some wounds on Zimmerman.

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I didnt see ANY injury DiverDave Dec 2012 #1
Oh please TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #19
I hope there was a scuffle... FarPoint Dec 2012 #39
Torch loyalkydem Dec 2012 #40
You are absolutely correct! FarPoint Dec 2012 #35
Looks to me.... librarylu Dec 2012 #2
Yep, that hoodie was a total provocation. dballance Dec 2012 #5
Walking while black tavalon Dec 2012 #6
What if Tryavon Martin was armed and had stood his ground ? orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #3
You know I don't really think ass heads like Zimmerman are all that tied to 2nd Amendment dballance Dec 2012 #4
Zimmerman wasn't authorizied to police the community obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #10
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2012 #12
My point, so he Deserved to be injured or shot, Martin did not . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #17
If Trayvon Martin was armed and defended himself successfully against Zimmerman, he'd Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #36
How much you want to bet if Travon had shot Zimmermon this wouldn't even be an issue loyalkydem Dec 2012 #7
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #8
Trial would have been over and Trayvon in jail. aandegoons Dec 2012 #21
No question. Scuba Dec 2012 #22
If someone was trying to kill me, I'd be fighting back. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #9
Zman chased a young girl in the dark with a load gun uponit7771 Dec 2012 #11
I did an OP on that very scenario, many months ago obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13
He did? Do you have a link to that? n/t vaberella Dec 2012 #46
You're confused michigandem58 Dec 2012 #14
A kid was being followed, stalked, by an adult twice his size. Bette Noir Dec 2012 #15
Quite easy to break your nose when you are straddled on top of a person and holding a Tutonic Dec 2012 #16
Assuming for a moment Trayvon did hit Zimmerman, I wish it had knocked Zimmie out. Of course Hoyt Dec 2012 #18
cese cese Dec 2012 #20
+1 Scuba Dec 2012 #23
The "stand your ground" laws apply only to defending yourself against scary dark people Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #24
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #26
Context would matter and we only have one side of the story ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25
He's a usurping asshole that killed the only other witness, we agree orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #28
And we have no idea what really happened, including whether or not Zimmerman tried to detain Martin ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #31
YUP! If Mr. Martin had a gun, he would have 100% been within his rights to kill Zimmerman graham4anything Dec 2012 #27
Trayvon had the right to protect himself. Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #29
The Dooley case is instructive exboyfil Dec 2012 #30
If anything, Treyvon Martin was "standing is ground". krispos42 Dec 2012 #32
I think it's about skin color ArcticFox Dec 2012 #33
"They always get away." Vox Moi Dec 2012 #34
Not only should Zim have kept his dumb ass in the car rrneck Dec 2012 #37
Zimmerman's actions gave Martin good reason to suspect he was in danger. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #38
Well it was all dismissed and buried by local law enforcement Rex Dec 2012 #41
My opinion Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #42
I'm not going to go so far as to assume GZ wanted to kill someone dballance Dec 2012 #44
Consider what Zimmerman said to the dispatch Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #47
total set up. for it to be a clean kill of an unarmed person, two things needed to be shown: bettyellen Dec 2012 #45
Exactly. Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #48
I want to believe he just wanted to harass and scare the kid... but in the end it doesn't matter. bettyellen Dec 2012 #49
Anytime there is a bar fight now you are allowed to blow someone away if you are losing. Quixote1818 Dec 2012 #43
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