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ShazzieB

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61. Those situations were much more complex.

Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:56 PM

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I don't agree with either of those wars, or with the reasons the U.S. got involved in either of those situations. I'm not qualified to rule on the legality of either, but I definitely believe they were both wrong.

That said, I'm not sure what the legality or illegality of either has to do with an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation that was a complete surprise both to that nation and to the American people. Many experts are questioning the legality of that, and rightly so, imo.

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I am assuming that those who still cherished a hope that our military [View all] niyad Saturday OP

I think there's a huge difference between this and them shooting protesters Polybius Saturday #1

Assignment for today: Read about Kent State. TBF Saturday #3

Exactly. Alliepoo Saturday #6

National Guard, though TimeToGo Saturday #7

Should Not Have Had Loaded Rifles On Campus. At PSU, 1969, I.... ColoringFool Saturday #15

You know EXACTLY what they will do. nt TBF Saturday #38

Or NON-Protesting Students Walking In The Vicinity (Kent State). ColoringFool Saturday #13

I wish I could share your hope. niyad Saturday #4

Just the memory of that MuseRider Saturday #14

Polybius I think you are wrong. Irish_Dem Saturday #28

It's the Traildogbob Saturday #31

Ive lost hope in them now uponit7771 Saturday #34

They've ALREADY done it--- just not with actual bullets.... yet... Jack Valentino Saturday #48

They're already shooting protesters in Chicago, they shot a woman 5 times and lied about it. Blues Heron Saturday #55

That was Border Patrol Polybius Sunday #67

Same shit -us agents with guns, camo, and ammo. Just a different branch, but the bullets are the same - us bullets Blues Heron Sunday #70

No, I'm not splitting hairs Polybius Monday #72

4 dead in Ohio jaymac Sunday #59

I meant the actual US military, not ICE, Border Patrol, or the National Guard Polybius Sunday #68

I don't see this as a huge difference. This is about AllyCat Sunday #60

Most in the military are young and may not have known much about Venezuela Polybius Sunday #69

Indeed. I think this falls under "unlawful orders". Reminds me of Bush the Lesser invading LoisB Saturday #2

So far it reminds me more of markodochartaigh Saturday #17

How can it not be the same as Iraq!? The boots on the ground are to protect the oil we're gong to steal. You can't Solomon Saturday #22

I think that it is possible that Venezuelans will be used to protect the oil production. markodochartaigh Saturday #24

First for me yankee87 Saturday #23

I agree with you in a way and yes, let us hope it does not get to the "Iraq" level so far as LoisB Saturday #27

Yes, brought back all same memories for me too MerryBlooms Sunday #62

Nope. Alliepoo Saturday #5

That could change quickly when they receive angry phone calls and nasty-grams from their constituents FakeNoose Saturday #12

The Reich-wing cancer has metastacised into all parts of our country Jerry2144 Saturday #8

I wish I had an answer as to how we cleanse. niyad Saturday #9

Too many people are getting richer, more powerful from the GOP blight. Irish_Dem Saturday #29

Our neighborhood Duppers Saturday #36

Given how I witnessed the military being overrun by self-righteous GOPers, I knew this wasn't going to happen. Crowman2009 Saturday #10

Especially after they got rid of all who might have stood up to them. niyad Saturday #11

Based on the quick success with Venezuela, does anyone think an attempt to take over Greenland is next? Lonestarblue Saturday #16

Have to wait until we pull out of NATO officially... malthaussen Saturday #20

With no real main stream media anymore popsdenver Saturday #25

Yeah so much for that orangecrush Saturday #18

Southern Command certainly won't. malthaussen Saturday #19

Yeah we've always been good róisín_dubh Saturday #57

It will be interesting to see what we've gotten ourselves into. malthaussen Saturday #21

People who spouted that crap or reposted hopium/copium grifters doing so RockRaven Saturday #26

Whoever believed that? choie Saturday #30

We saw any number of posters here saying that, oh-so-hopefully, since 20 Jan. niyad Saturday #37

Well now we can all wallow in the told ya so's MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #49

Your disdain is noted. However, you are not the only one with military niyad Saturday #56

A soldier but takes orders Dawson Leery Saturday #32

Hey popsdenver Saturday #39

WTF Skittles Saturday #40

Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #50

I don't think many people understand restrictions military folk live by Skittles Saturday #53

Some know them all too well. niyad Sunday #64

Here we are again. Regime change! BidenRocks Saturday #33

I did have some hope there Bettie Saturday #35

I'm not convinced that the order to strike Venezuela TomSlick Saturday #41

Again, unlawful orders abound. And our military leaders..nowhere to be found. Scalded Nun Saturday #42

Moral courage in the abstract collides with the reality of career, home mortgages, kids in college... surfered Saturday #43

Well, we had Panama & Grenada that were similar operations so I still have hope. Callie1979 Saturday #44

Why? niyad Saturday #45

Because there's not much difference between the 3 operations. Callie1979 Sunday #58

Don't trust the military Indyfan53 Saturday #46

I understand and agree with your opposition to the recent action but, BootinUp Saturday #47

Yep. Some people only learn the hard way. calimary Saturday #51

What makes this any more illeagal than Veitnam doc03 Saturday #52

Those situations were much more complex. ShazzieB Sunday #61

It has been obvious with the military buildup that we were going to war doc03 Sunday #63

A lot of people have certainly been expecting something to happen, or fearing that it might. ShazzieB Monday #71

How was Vietnam "illegal"? EX500rider Sunday #66

I had ZERO expectation that today's military would ho or their Oaths.... Bread and Circuses Saturday #54

ICE will shoot people. They already have. Kennah Sunday #65