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ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
25. Context would matter and we only have one side of the story
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:14 PM
Dec 2012

Verbal provocation alone is rarely justification for physical violence under the law.

It is not true that Zimmerman disobeyed law enforcement. A 9-11 operator is not an LEO. What he did was disregard the request/suggestion.

While Zimmerman had no authority to detain, but you can speak to anyone you want to in public. They have no requirement to listen, answer, acknowledge or comply.

Unless it can be shown that Zimmerman touched him first, brandished his pistol, or other overt threat, that Martin assaulted him works for, not against Zimmerman under the law.



The burden is on Zimmerman is to show that he was in reasonable fear of GBI or death at the hands of Martin. Despite all of the above, it is going to be a high hurdle. IMO the shooting was clearly unjustified and he should be convicted.

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I didnt see ANY injury DiverDave Dec 2012 #1
Oh please TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #19
I hope there was a scuffle... FarPoint Dec 2012 #39
Torch loyalkydem Dec 2012 #40
You are absolutely correct! FarPoint Dec 2012 #35
Looks to me.... librarylu Dec 2012 #2
Yep, that hoodie was a total provocation. dballance Dec 2012 #5
Walking while black tavalon Dec 2012 #6
What if Tryavon Martin was armed and had stood his ground ? orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #3
You know I don't really think ass heads like Zimmerman are all that tied to 2nd Amendment dballance Dec 2012 #4
Zimmerman wasn't authorizied to police the community obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #10
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2012 #12
My point, so he Deserved to be injured or shot, Martin did not . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #17
If Trayvon Martin was armed and defended himself successfully against Zimmerman, he'd Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #36
How much you want to bet if Travon had shot Zimmermon this wouldn't even be an issue loyalkydem Dec 2012 #7
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #8
Trial would have been over and Trayvon in jail. aandegoons Dec 2012 #21
No question. Scuba Dec 2012 #22
If someone was trying to kill me, I'd be fighting back. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #9
Zman chased a young girl in the dark with a load gun uponit7771 Dec 2012 #11
I did an OP on that very scenario, many months ago obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13
He did? Do you have a link to that? n/t vaberella Dec 2012 #46
You're confused michigandem58 Dec 2012 #14
A kid was being followed, stalked, by an adult twice his size. Bette Noir Dec 2012 #15
Quite easy to break your nose when you are straddled on top of a person and holding a Tutonic Dec 2012 #16
Assuming for a moment Trayvon did hit Zimmerman, I wish it had knocked Zimmie out. Of course Hoyt Dec 2012 #18
cese cese Dec 2012 #20
+1 Scuba Dec 2012 #23
The "stand your ground" laws apply only to defending yourself against scary dark people Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #24
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #26
Context would matter and we only have one side of the story ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25
He's a usurping asshole that killed the only other witness, we agree orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #28
And we have no idea what really happened, including whether or not Zimmerman tried to detain Martin ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #31
YUP! If Mr. Martin had a gun, he would have 100% been within his rights to kill Zimmerman graham4anything Dec 2012 #27
Trayvon had the right to protect himself. Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #29
The Dooley case is instructive exboyfil Dec 2012 #30
If anything, Treyvon Martin was "standing is ground". krispos42 Dec 2012 #32
I think it's about skin color ArcticFox Dec 2012 #33
"They always get away." Vox Moi Dec 2012 #34
Not only should Zim have kept his dumb ass in the car rrneck Dec 2012 #37
Zimmerman's actions gave Martin good reason to suspect he was in danger. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #38
Well it was all dismissed and buried by local law enforcement Rex Dec 2012 #41
My opinion Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #42
I'm not going to go so far as to assume GZ wanted to kill someone dballance Dec 2012 #44
Consider what Zimmerman said to the dispatch Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #47
total set up. for it to be a clean kill of an unarmed person, two things needed to be shown: bettyellen Dec 2012 #45
Exactly. Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #48
I want to believe he just wanted to harass and scare the kid... but in the end it doesn't matter. bettyellen Dec 2012 #49
Anytime there is a bar fight now you are allowed to blow someone away if you are losing. Quixote1818 Dec 2012 #43
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