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Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
42. My opinion
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:41 PM
Dec 2012

GZ followed this boy on a dark rainy night in his vehicle.
TM walked away.
GZ continued to pursue him in his vehicle, slowly driving after him.
TM ran away. He was scared of the stranger behind him.
GZ then exited his vehicle and ran after him. He continued to do so after being advised to stop by dispatch.
All of this would create a reasonable fear in TMs mind. He clearly felt like he was in danger (it turns out he was correct).

The critical question:

What steps, if any, did GZ take to reassure TM that he was not a threat. According to GZ the answer is none. Lacking this, TM had more than satisfied any requirements for self-defense. He was in reasonable fear for his life -- as it turns out he was correct to be afraid. Looking beyond this, GZs story simply does not add up. The times are wrong, and his statements to officers do not fit with the evidence or what he reported to dispatch.

It is MY BELIEF (note, opinion here) that almost everything GZ has reported about that night, from the call to dispatch to the post-shooting interviews, are all lies. I BELIEVE, based upon the statements GZ made to dispatch, that he intended to kill someone. I believe he was setting the stage for a "justified" shoot while on the telephone. Let's review his critical statements in the 911 call, in order. My comments in parentheses:

There’s a real suspicious guy.
This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something...

(GZ establishing motive: TM is on drugs)

He looks black.
He’s here now … he’s just staring.
Now he’s staring at me.

(GZ is setting the stage: The black drugged out hoodlum is sizing up his next victim.)

Now he’s coming toward me.

(GZ establishing cause for fear: the drugged up hoodlum is heading his way!)

He’s got his hands in his waist band.

(Holy crap George, watch out!)

Something’s wrong with him.
Yep, he’s coming to check me out.
He’s got something in his hands.

( Shit George, is it a gun! Zimmerman has almost finished laying the groundwork for a "justified" self-defense shooting...[/b)]

See if you can get an officer over here.
I don’t know what his deal is.
How long until you get an officer over here?

( And there it is. Poor Zimmerman is frightened. Where's the help?! Please send help! He's laid the foundation, now to blow this guy away. Except...)

He’s running.

( Poor George. All that work setting the stage, ruined.)

Zimmerman went through that entire 911 call setting up his shoot. In my opinion he planned to gun down Trayvon right there on the street. Only two things marred this otherwise wonderful show. The first is that Tugboat wanted to sound cool and in-control; the second was that the 911 dispatcher didn't play along with him. I suspect that this dispatcher felt something was off. He was not giving the kinds of advice you might expect if he believed what Zimmerman was telling him. Advice such as: get away from this drugged up guy who might have just drawn a weapon and is now heading your way.

And of course ALL of this falls apart once the facts become more clear. Zimmerman was unable to describe to the investigating detectives what TM was doing that led him to believe that TM was on drugs, he was unable to describe what TM was doing that inspired him to say "Something is wrong with him." In fact, we now know that Trayvon was NOT on drugs, and so far as anyone can tell nothing was wrong with him. These are critical points. CRITICAL. They set the stage for everything that follows, and if Zimmerman remembered nothing else he would remember this. He doesn't remember because it was an invention, he was just checking off his self-defense list.

I don't want to belabor this, but it's important.

His "belief" that Trayvon was on drugs, and that something was wrong with him, are the theoretical reasons for everything that followed. This was the reason he was calling the police in the first place, the reason he began following this poor kid around. He followed because something was wrong with him, he was on drugs, he was up to no good.

Only none of that is true. George cannot describe what led him to believe these things because it was an invention. Trayvon wasn't on drugs, wasn't singing in the rain or doing backflips down main street, he was walking home from the store while talking to his girlfriend on the phone. He was an innocent kid, and Zimmerman is quite possibly a psychopath.

The problem here is that the Limbaugh / Fox news right has politicized this case. But I am still cautiously optimistic that this guy is going to prison.




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I didnt see ANY injury DiverDave Dec 2012 #1
Oh please TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #19
I hope there was a scuffle... FarPoint Dec 2012 #39
Torch loyalkydem Dec 2012 #40
You are absolutely correct! FarPoint Dec 2012 #35
Looks to me.... librarylu Dec 2012 #2
Yep, that hoodie was a total provocation. dballance Dec 2012 #5
Walking while black tavalon Dec 2012 #6
What if Tryavon Martin was armed and had stood his ground ? orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #3
You know I don't really think ass heads like Zimmerman are all that tied to 2nd Amendment dballance Dec 2012 #4
Zimmerman wasn't authorizied to police the community obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #10
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2012 #12
My point, so he Deserved to be injured or shot, Martin did not . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #17
If Trayvon Martin was armed and defended himself successfully against Zimmerman, he'd Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #36
How much you want to bet if Travon had shot Zimmermon this wouldn't even be an issue loyalkydem Dec 2012 #7
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #8
Trial would have been over and Trayvon in jail. aandegoons Dec 2012 #21
No question. Scuba Dec 2012 #22
If someone was trying to kill me, I'd be fighting back. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #9
Zman chased a young girl in the dark with a load gun uponit7771 Dec 2012 #11
I did an OP on that very scenario, many months ago obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13
He did? Do you have a link to that? n/t vaberella Dec 2012 #46
You're confused michigandem58 Dec 2012 #14
A kid was being followed, stalked, by an adult twice his size. Bette Noir Dec 2012 #15
Quite easy to break your nose when you are straddled on top of a person and holding a Tutonic Dec 2012 #16
Assuming for a moment Trayvon did hit Zimmerman, I wish it had knocked Zimmie out. Of course Hoyt Dec 2012 #18
cese cese Dec 2012 #20
+1 Scuba Dec 2012 #23
The "stand your ground" laws apply only to defending yourself against scary dark people Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #24
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #26
Context would matter and we only have one side of the story ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25
He's a usurping asshole that killed the only other witness, we agree orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #28
And we have no idea what really happened, including whether or not Zimmerman tried to detain Martin ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #31
YUP! If Mr. Martin had a gun, he would have 100% been within his rights to kill Zimmerman graham4anything Dec 2012 #27
Trayvon had the right to protect himself. Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #29
The Dooley case is instructive exboyfil Dec 2012 #30
If anything, Treyvon Martin was "standing is ground". krispos42 Dec 2012 #32
I think it's about skin color ArcticFox Dec 2012 #33
"They always get away." Vox Moi Dec 2012 #34
Not only should Zim have kept his dumb ass in the car rrneck Dec 2012 #37
Zimmerman's actions gave Martin good reason to suspect he was in danger. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #38
Well it was all dismissed and buried by local law enforcement Rex Dec 2012 #41
My opinion Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #42
I'm not going to go so far as to assume GZ wanted to kill someone dballance Dec 2012 #44
Consider what Zimmerman said to the dispatch Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #47
total set up. for it to be a clean kill of an unarmed person, two things needed to be shown: bettyellen Dec 2012 #45
Exactly. Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #48
I want to believe he just wanted to harass and scare the kid... but in the end it doesn't matter. bettyellen Dec 2012 #49
Anytime there is a bar fight now you are allowed to blow someone away if you are losing. Quixote1818 Dec 2012 #43
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