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bettyellen

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45. total set up. for it to be a clean kill of an unarmed person, two things needed to be shown:
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:48 PM
Dec 2012

1) you believed the person was high on drugs, and capable of any kind of violent, erratic behavior.
2) you need to believe they are armed, and a direct immediate threat to you.

According to my cop friends, you need to have both reasons in play when you shoot an unarmed person. George had to know this too. Like the guy with the hammer- except he had a hammer. If he wasn't swinging it and moving toward the cop, they could not have shot him.

And you are completely right, his phone call was a set up to cover his ass in case things went bad.
Where he fucked up was, telling 911 he thought he was dangerous - reaching for "something in his waistband" and then following him.

He tried to say he later found himself under immediate threat during their scuffle, but that was something he initiated himself by leaving the car and admittedly following the kid.

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I didnt see ANY injury DiverDave Dec 2012 #1
Oh please TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #19
I hope there was a scuffle... FarPoint Dec 2012 #39
Torch loyalkydem Dec 2012 #40
You are absolutely correct! FarPoint Dec 2012 #35
Looks to me.... librarylu Dec 2012 #2
Yep, that hoodie was a total provocation. dballance Dec 2012 #5
Walking while black tavalon Dec 2012 #6
What if Tryavon Martin was armed and had stood his ground ? orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #3
You know I don't really think ass heads like Zimmerman are all that tied to 2nd Amendment dballance Dec 2012 #4
Zimmerman wasn't authorizied to police the community obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #10
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2012 #12
My point, so he Deserved to be injured or shot, Martin did not . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #17
If Trayvon Martin was armed and defended himself successfully against Zimmerman, he'd Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #36
How much you want to bet if Travon had shot Zimmermon this wouldn't even be an issue loyalkydem Dec 2012 #7
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #8
Trial would have been over and Trayvon in jail. aandegoons Dec 2012 #21
No question. Scuba Dec 2012 #22
If someone was trying to kill me, I'd be fighting back. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #9
Zman chased a young girl in the dark with a load gun uponit7771 Dec 2012 #11
I did an OP on that very scenario, many months ago obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13
He did? Do you have a link to that? n/t vaberella Dec 2012 #46
You're confused michigandem58 Dec 2012 #14
A kid was being followed, stalked, by an adult twice his size. Bette Noir Dec 2012 #15
Quite easy to break your nose when you are straddled on top of a person and holding a Tutonic Dec 2012 #16
Assuming for a moment Trayvon did hit Zimmerman, I wish it had knocked Zimmie out. Of course Hoyt Dec 2012 #18
cese cese Dec 2012 #20
+1 Scuba Dec 2012 #23
The "stand your ground" laws apply only to defending yourself against scary dark people Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #24
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #26
Context would matter and we only have one side of the story ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25
He's a usurping asshole that killed the only other witness, we agree orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #28
And we have no idea what really happened, including whether or not Zimmerman tried to detain Martin ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #31
YUP! If Mr. Martin had a gun, he would have 100% been within his rights to kill Zimmerman graham4anything Dec 2012 #27
Trayvon had the right to protect himself. Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #29
The Dooley case is instructive exboyfil Dec 2012 #30
If anything, Treyvon Martin was "standing is ground". krispos42 Dec 2012 #32
I think it's about skin color ArcticFox Dec 2012 #33
"They always get away." Vox Moi Dec 2012 #34
Not only should Zim have kept his dumb ass in the car rrneck Dec 2012 #37
Zimmerman's actions gave Martin good reason to suspect he was in danger. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #38
Well it was all dismissed and buried by local law enforcement Rex Dec 2012 #41
My opinion Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #42
I'm not going to go so far as to assume GZ wanted to kill someone dballance Dec 2012 #44
Consider what Zimmerman said to the dispatch Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #47
total set up. for it to be a clean kill of an unarmed person, two things needed to be shown: bettyellen Dec 2012 #45
Exactly. Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #48
I want to believe he just wanted to harass and scare the kid... but in the end it doesn't matter. bettyellen Dec 2012 #49
Anytime there is a bar fight now you are allowed to blow someone away if you are losing. Quixote1818 Dec 2012 #43
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