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30. Do NOT link to the Scientologist group "Psychiatric Fraud"
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:46 AM
Dec 2012

Now into the detail

OK, talk to a depressive for whom these drugs have worked before you start blaming them for these events. Also do not link drugs whose modes of action and physiological effects are completely different. Vallium does NOT act like an SSRI nor an SNRI nor a SARI, none of these act like Ritalin. Xanax is a reuptake inhibitor (amongst a whole load of other things) but it is not an "antidepressant".

Yes, SSRIs, SNRIs and SARIs have a cognitive effect that can be associated with bad actions. There is a known link between beginning taking these drugs and successful suicides. There is also a link between ceasing these drugs and such actions In the UK (effective) prescription of these drugs is always accompanied by frequent visits to a doctor who watches for signs of increased suicidal ideation and violent thoughts. The suicides that do occur are known to be impulsive, not planned, although they may involve elements talked about in previous episodes of near suicide.

The killings listed are just that. Let's look at them.
Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008 By the toxicology results Kazmierczak had ceased taking his prescription. Additionally, you should NEVER take Prozac and Xanax together, combining it with Ambien is plain stupid. Xanax is also a short acting anti anxiety drug - NOT an antidepressant and Ambien is a drug for sleep disorders (NOT an antidepressant).

Omaha, Nebraska – December 5, 2007 Valium is exactly the stuff you should NOT take if you are a depressive. It makes the symptoms worse. V is a drug of addiction. There's also the small matter that only the report of Hawkins' "friend" places him on Valium.

Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007 Do you have any evidence that Auvinen was taking an antidepressant and if so which?

Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007 Trazodone is a SARI (Serotonin antagonist and reuptake inhibitor). It is also sleep inducing (narcoleptic). It is also prescribed for many mental health issues and is thought unsuitable in some.

Blacksburg, Virginia – April 16, 2007 If you can tell us what the mental health problems that the shooter had then perhaps we could make some judgement. Note also that your report states that he had received "prior" mental health treatment - it doesn't say what or when prior.

Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005 The guy was on Prozac. no indication of why but I'll say it might be the first score for the Scientologists.

Greenbush, New York – February 2004 Hearsay report without describing which of many medications he might have been taking, if any. No Tox report from the ME.

El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001 You are never on citalopram (Celexa) and venlafaxine (Effexor) at the same time. Suspicion, if any, should be directed at SSRI discontinuation syndrome.

Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001 Firstly, not exactly a massacre and secondly what was the cause of the depression? Might it have been bullying? In which case there might be another reason for shooting whilst the fact that she was ineffective in her (possible) desire to kill could be taken as evidence of effective treatment

Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999 "Being treated on antidepressants" is hearsay and omits the important detail of which drug (if any). No Tox report.

Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999 ONE of the killers was on an SSRI. For the other the records are sealed so no indication of psychiatric disorder.

Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999 Yet another case of mixed drugs. No indication what mental health issues were being treated.

Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998 Like Red Lake, I'll let the Hubbardites have this one - with reservations.

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The "evidence" is beyond stupid. Betsy Ross Dec 2012 #1
Maybe... Indi Guy Dec 2012 #2
These drugs CAUSE psychosis and suicidal thoughts. Liberty Belle Dec 2012 #5
You mention GMOs and destroy your line of reasoning Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2012 #26
The Neuroscience of the Gut Strange but true: the brain is shaped by bacteria in the digestive tract dkf Dec 2012 #32
I can't believe you posted this. rainin Dec 2012 #43
I posted it the original article a few days ago... dkf Dec 2012 #44
You really need to summarize this in layman's terms. rainin Dec 2012 #45
The worst worst school massacre in history was in 1927 Major Nikon Dec 2012 #29
Blah, blah blah... FarPoint Dec 2012 #56
Yes, the Mad Bomber Of Bath, Michigan veganlush Dec 2012 #57
the "evidence" is not beyond stupid green for victory Dec 2012 #17
thank you mettamega Dec 2012 #25
Yeah, this article is pretty irresponsible. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #33
Crutches work for 100% of people, drugs (any drug) only works as indicated... DCKit Dec 2012 #40
Kind Of Agree ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #42
These drugs are already linked to violence / suicide. Especially in kids. DirkGently Dec 2012 #50
Cause...or symptom? regnaD kciN Dec 2012 #3
As I stated in the OP... Indi Guy Dec 2012 #4
No, they should not be dismissed. Thanks for posting. n/t rainin Dec 2012 #13
They never have been dismissed Major Nikon Dec 2012 #31
The FBI indicated some years back, for Klebold and Harris, one was a manic depressive and the other AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #7
But if there were no guns they could not have shot and killed those they did. kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #21
No one said stop looking at guns. rainin Dec 2012 #22
Ok AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #46
Studies are done. These drugs have FDA "black box" warnings already. DirkGently Dec 2012 #51
Suicide != school shooting like violence. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #58
Scientologist propaganda Union Scribe Dec 2012 #6
please see #17 green for victory Dec 2012 #18
The OP links to a Scientologist site... SidDithers Dec 2012 #37
oh, well, that makes it all better then. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #47
Michael Moore is NOT a scientologist mettamega Dec 2012 #23
Correlation/causation. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #48
My ex girlfriend was prescribed Zanex or Zoloft... one of the "Z"s BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #60
Ok. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #61
Don't dismiss this without looking deeper. This needs to be looked at. rainin Dec 2012 #8
CCHR again Union Scribe Dec 2012 #10
not in post #17 green for victory Dec 2012 #19
If all these kids were marijuana users, they'd be screaming about it. rainin Dec 2012 #9
I remember hearing about a cult Union Scribe Dec 2012 #11
wtf? so all the drug warnings-- as stated by the manufactures--don't mean shit? orleans Dec 2012 #15
Drugs have side effects and we don't need any cult to know that sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #24
That's a lie. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #49
Somebody sounds a little too defensive. rainin Dec 2012 #12
Confirmation Bias nvme Dec 2012 #14
Lump all meds? rainin Dec 2012 #16
I would not be alive without these drugs. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #20
I hear you about medication saving lives davidpdx Dec 2012 #39
Yes, over-prescribing exists, but root causes are still over-supply of guns and magazines & media: Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2012 #27
Correlation does not equal causation. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #28
Do NOT link to the Scientologist group "Psychiatric Fraud" intaglio Dec 2012 #30
I have to agree that most of these claims are out there davidpdx Dec 2012 #41
Antidepressants Vashondem Dec 2012 #34
This, though, is a chicken and egg problem. Were the antidepressants a factor in the Squinch Dec 2012 #35
Scientologist bullshit... SidDithers Dec 2012 #36
My cousins husband took a shotgun to my cousin and then to their adult child - lynne Dec 2012 #38
Hateful Scientologist BS bigotry against the mentally ill. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #52
Two of my cousins committed suicide and were on antidepressants. abelenkpe Dec 2012 #53
They could go here, but this isn't where their training is, this isn't where the paymasters 2on2u Dec 2012 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Dec 2012 #55
This fringe bullshit belongs in Creative Speculation... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #59
Locking. HappyMe Dec 2012 #62
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