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In reply to the discussion: THE ROLE OF ANTI-DEPRESSANTS IN MASS KILLINGS - Michael Moore on THE REAL LESSON OF COLUMBINE... [View all]intaglio
(8,170 posts)Now into the detail
OK, talk to a depressive for whom these drugs have worked before you start blaming them for these events. Also do not link drugs whose modes of action and physiological effects are completely different. Vallium does NOT act like an SSRI nor an SNRI nor a SARI, none of these act like Ritalin. Xanax is a reuptake inhibitor (amongst a whole load of other things) but it is not an "antidepressant".
Yes, SSRIs, SNRIs and SARIs have a cognitive effect that can be associated with bad actions. There is a known link between beginning taking these drugs and successful suicides. There is also a link between ceasing these drugs and such actions In the UK (effective) prescription of these drugs is always accompanied by frequent visits to a doctor who watches for signs of increased suicidal ideation and violent thoughts. The suicides that do occur are known to be impulsive, not planned, although they may involve elements talked about in previous episodes of near suicide.
The killings listed are just that. Let's look at them.
Dekalb, Illinois February 14, 2008 By the toxicology results Kazmierczak had ceased taking his prescription. Additionally, you should NEVER take Prozac and Xanax together, combining it with Ambien is plain stupid. Xanax is also a short acting anti anxiety drug - NOT an antidepressant and Ambien is a drug for sleep disorders (NOT an antidepressant).
Omaha, Nebraska December 5, 2007 Valium is exactly the stuff you should NOT take if you are a depressive. It makes the symptoms worse. V is a drug of addiction. There's also the small matter that only the report of Hawkins' "friend" places him on Valium.
Jokela, Finland November 7, 2007 Do you have any evidence that Auvinen was taking an antidepressant and if so which?
Cleveland, Ohio October 10, 2007 Trazodone is a SARI (Serotonin antagonist and reuptake inhibitor). It is also sleep inducing (narcoleptic). It is also prescribed for many mental health issues and is thought unsuitable in some.
Blacksburg, Virginia April 16, 2007 If you can tell us what the mental health problems that the shooter had then perhaps we could make some judgement. Note also that your report states that he had received "prior" mental health treatment - it doesn't say what or when prior.
Red Lake, Minnesota March 2005 The guy was on Prozac. no indication of why but I'll say it might be the first score for the Scientologists.
Greenbush, New York February 2004 Hearsay report without describing which of many medications he might have been taking, if any. No Tox report from the ME.
El Cajon, California March 22, 2001 You are never on citalopram (Celexa) and venlafaxine (Effexor) at the same time. Suspicion, if any, should be directed at SSRI discontinuation syndrome.
Williamsport, Pennsylvania March 7, 2001 Firstly, not exactly a massacre and secondly what was the cause of the depression? Might it have been bullying? In which case there might be another reason for shooting whilst the fact that she was ineffective in her (possible) desire to kill could be taken as evidence of effective treatment
Conyers, Georgia May 20, 1999 "Being treated on antidepressants" is hearsay and omits the important detail of which drug (if any). No Tox report.
Columbine, Colorado April 20, 1999 ONE of the killers was on an SSRI. For the other the records are sealed so no indication of psychiatric disorder.
Notus, Idaho April 16, 1999 Yet another case of mixed drugs. No indication what mental health issues were being treated.
Springfield, Oregon May 21, 1998 Like Red Lake, I'll let the Hubbardites have this one - with reservations.