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Ms. Toad

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32. Defund the police didn't work because even most of the supporters didn't really mean it.

Reply to NoSheep (Original post)

Fri Feb 6, 2026, 03:57 PM

Feb 6

So we had to spend a lot of time and energy explaining we didn't really mean take all the funding away from the police. And then since some people really did mean take all the money away - and others meant something different completely different - there wasn't one unified message.

This is completely different. Abolish ICE means exactly what it says. As far as I'm concerned, unlike the police, ICE serves no positive purpose. If there are tasks for which it is needed, there are obviously overlapping agencies (like CBP) which can pick up the shack.

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Slogans: Abolish ICE vs. ICE Accountability or something like that...can we discuss? [View all] NoSheep Feb 6 OP

If you want to abolish ICE, why would you say anything else? There are enough people out there trying to make peace WhiskeyGrinder Feb 6 #1

My original post explains why NoSheep Feb 6 #6

"Anything progressives say is so over exaggerated by the right and gets spun to mean: "they're going to shoot my babies WhiskeyGrinder Feb 6 #8

I like Prosecute ICE gab13by13 Feb 6 #2

Abolish Ice works for me. Nanjeanne Feb 6 #3

IL Senate candidate is running ads saying Abolish Trump's ICE newdeal2 Feb 6 #4

Can't alienate voters who approve of death squads leftstreet Feb 6 #5

You have a good point there NoSheep Feb 6 #7

But you can alienate people who want to get rid of felonious undocumented immigrants, and I support that too. Wanderlust988 Feb 6 #13

Are there many? leftstreet Feb 6 #15

What's many? If you have a rapist in your city that shouldn't be in the country, that is one too many. Wanderlust988 Feb 6 #17

This "what if" always makes me laugh because for it to be relevant, this society would have to actually give a shit WhiskeyGrinder Feb 6 #25

Most people would call the cops leftstreet Feb 6 #28

There is no fixing it... Abolish JCMach1 Feb 6 #9

FUCK ICE works for me. pecosbob Feb 6 #10

Aye LuvLoogie Feb 6 #27

I'm with you. No wiggle room. mjvpi Feb 6 #30

I feel you Pecosbob NoSheep Feb 6 #33

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 6 #11

The OP brings up a serious point. Our side is horrible at messaging. Abolish is just not a good term Wanderlust988 Feb 6 #12

Part of being good at messaging Prairie Gates Feb 6 #14

We stuck with Defunding the Police and it killed us and got Republicans elected Wanderlust988 Feb 6 #16

That's what you say Prairie Gates Feb 6 #18

We Can Still Have ICE But Not Like That WhiskeyGrinder Feb 6 #19

More Bodycams To Record Violent Enforcement Of Imaginary Lines WhiskeyGrinder Feb 6 #20

Include Vegetarian Options In Detention Centers That Have Modern Conveniences 😤 WhiskeyGrinder Feb 6 #21

Please Stop Making Me Aware of The Violence Our Enforcement Agencies Perform WhiskeyGrinder Feb 6 #22

I prefer "Abolish ICE Death Squads, Jail ICE, ICE Their Pensions" Dawson Leery Feb 6 #23

I like Jail ICE NoSheep Feb 6 #34

ICE Accountability Through A Three-Person Panel Appointed by a Republican For Lifetime Employment WhiskeyGrinder Feb 6 #24

Yup: we lose because we mistake weak positions for rhetorical savviness Prairie Gates Feb 6 #26

How about Get Rid of Loser ICE LuvLoogie Feb 6 #29

Don't overthink it maxrandb Feb 6 #31

Defund the police didn't work because even most of the supporters didn't really mean it. Ms. Toad Feb 6 #32