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malaise

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Wed Apr 8, 2026, 05:01 PM Yesterday

Oh My! The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador With the Avignon Papacy [View all]

https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/the-pentagon-threatened-pope-leo

[UPDATE at 4:33 PM EDT: Letters from Leo can now independently confirm The Free Press report that the meeting took place — and that some Vatican officials were so alarmed by the Pentagon’s tactics that they shelved plans for Pope Leo XIV to visit the United States later this year.

Other officials in the Vatican saw the Pentagon’s reference to an Avignon papacy as a threat to use military force against the Holy See.]

In January, behind closed doors at the Pentagon, Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre — Pope Leo XIV’s then-ambassador to the United States — and delivered a lecture.

“America,” Colby and his colleagues told the cardinal, “has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.”

As tempers rose, one U.S. official reached for a fourteenth-century weapon and invoked the Avignon Papacy, the period when the French Crown used military force to bend the bishop of Rome to its will.——————
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WTF. mercuryblues Yesterday #1
Well there goes Italy malaise Yesterday #6
And all the Catholics of the world BonnieJW Yesterday #45
the anti catholicism of these maga know nothings is in their dna. rampartd 20 hrs ago #106
And much of Latin America. Wednesdays 20 hrs ago #102
Much of Western Europe... róisín_dubh 19 hrs ago #110
To the right wing Evangelicals, the pope is the devil incarnate and Catholicism is an abomination. flashman13 Yesterday #55
Who says we'd even want to go to such an - um - "event"? calimary 23 hrs ago #70
You must have grown up in a different era than I did. Ms. Toad 23 hrs ago #76
I dated a Jewish girl in high school and went to synagogue with her family a couple of times. flashman13 22 hrs ago #85
The rest of us were all friendly and had a good time at each other's churches. Ms. Toad 22 hrs ago #92
I can vouch for that. Wednesdays 21 hrs ago #96
Yep. Catholic here. Oh boy did we obey. calimary 19 hrs ago #112
I have a different memory of those formative years FakeNoose 9 hrs ago #129
Maybe it was regional, Ms. Toad 9 hrs ago #130
I guess the point is that it was made clear they wren't invited. I'm no expert, but that doesn't sound very christian. flashman13 22 hrs ago #84
They're in league with the antiChrist B.See 22 hrs ago #91
Another regime change scheme? Marcuse 21 hrs ago #95
Trump would do as Henry VIII did if he thought he could get away with it. hunter 11 hrs ago #119
That wouldn't have happened if Henry had been allowed to divorce his first wife FakeNoose 8 hrs ago #133
So is Trump going to bomb the Vatican? SunSeeker Yesterday #2
It's definitely an implied threat. ananda Yesterday #35
He has two brothers in Florida and Illinois but no children. Marcuse 5 hrs ago #140
And, does he want to move the seat of the papacy to the White House? ananda Yesterday #38
Wonder what Catholic convert JD Vance thinks of all that... SunSeeker 21 hrs ago #93
don't give him any ideas plz vapor2 Yesterday #59
I hope the fucking Catholics that voted for the tsf BlueKota Yesterday #3
Those Catholics hate their Pope. Other Catholics love their Pope. mucifer Yesterday #5
But do they love Whiskey Pete going all "30 Years War" at the Pentagon? paleotn Yesterday #14
Many of them like Whiskey Pete BlueKota Yesterday #37
Exactly! ybbor Yesterday #25
I really admire this Pope. BlueKota Yesterday #32
Not raised Catholic, but I'm definitely impressed with Leo. ShazzieB Yesterday #49
I was raised Catholic too. Dulcinea 23 hrs ago #77
I agree. These two most recent Popes to me represent BlueKota 22 hrs ago #82
I agree. As a recovering ex Catholic I do like.. yourout 20 hrs ago #103
That is good that your wife's church is inclusive. BlueKota 6 hrs ago #136
Popes Leo and Francis are truly "modern" men of this century FakeNoose 8 hrs ago #131
Trumpist Conservative Catholics will never hear about this incident. maxsolomon Yesterday #8
Not a chance. I'd have probably never heard of it without DU underpants Yesterday #33
Yah, my whole damn family voted for the orange piece of shit BECAUSE OF HIS ABORTION STANCE!!!!!! a kennedy Yesterday #27
yeppers - got some friends like that rurallib Yesterday #29
It's so ironic how many fell for his anti-abortion act. ShazzieB Yesterday #51
I wonder how many he paid for over the years. n/t SheilaAnn Yesterday #63
Right? ShazzieB 23 hrs ago #67
They don't even care if he believes JBTaurus83 20 hrs ago #105
Do they know how many abortions OhioBack2Blue 23 hrs ago #66
Indeed, the Bible says nothing about abortion, except for a how-to. Wednesdays 20 hrs ago #98
I gotcha beat, I think... slightlv 23 hrs ago #71
I'm quite sure Trump doesn't really give 2 hoots about abortion... 3catwoman3 22 hrs ago #90
+1 area51 19 hrs ago #109
He actually had Erik aborted RVN VET71 11 hrs ago #117
TSF and crew had better get ready for some smiting. Sneederbunk Yesterday #4
Guess they really don't like Leo's public statements wnylib Yesterday #7
This was January so they must really be pissed with his comments malaise Yesterday #9
Thats probably why hes been making them, Chicago Pope cares more about the Cubs than he does their threats lol. Volaris Yesterday #52
Agree malaise Yesterday #56
I can't help but being afraid for his safety MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #36
Dear Goddess, these people are beyond deranged and dangerous. niyad Yesterday #10
I just caught the tail end of her segment before the break..what's going on? I need to read up on the Avignon Papacy Deuxcents Yesterday #11
need to read up on the Avignon Papacy malaise Yesterday #15
Avignon Papacy, in a nutshell: Wednesdays 20 hrs ago #99
Omg what a manipulative bunch of degenerates. Passages Yesterday #12
Nobody expects 3825-87867 Yesterday #13
There's an almost full bingo card of pissed off religious groups that tsf is about to complete. rubbersole Yesterday #16
Colby is NOT . . . AverageOldGuy Yesterday #17
He is a nepo baby, a grandson of one-time CIA head William Colby. n/t valleyrogue 19 hrs ago #108
Nepo Borgia baby yorkster 13 hrs ago #114
If only there were some super secret Vatican police force PuraVidaDreamin Yesterday #18
The church has had or does have secret people who can take care of a situation that you're alluding to. Trueblue1968 22 hrs ago #86
The Avignon Papacy AverageOldGuy Yesterday #19
Thanks..got to reading this history, too. I'm wondering just why the pentagon is bringing this up now Deuxcents Yesterday #21
Thank you AverageOldGuy malaise Yesterday #22
Thanks MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #41
And now: Recently-converted Catholic JD Vance says he will "look into the report" AverageOldGuy Yesterday #20
Well, this just answered my question..thanks Deuxcents Yesterday #23
He has a pre-campaign book out. It has a church on the cover. underpants Yesterday #47
A church he had never even been in, much less attended. niyad Yesterday #62
A church that's not even Roman Catholic. nt Wednesdays 20 hrs ago #101
He looks like a young Jonathan Winters. llmart 23 hrs ago #74
Reminds me of Dom DeLuise sop 6 hrs ago #135
Smug, smackable face dedl67 4 hrs ago #142
How long until VD Jance renounces Catholicism & goes full fundie? Dulcinea 22 hrs ago #83
Makes sense to me... littlemissmartypants Yesterday #24
Going to war with the Pope. Irish_Dem Yesterday #26
Steve Bannon's wet dream no_hypocrisy Yesterday #28
They had a "fourteenth-century weapon" handy? underpants Yesterday #30
Thanks for the info MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #43
I think it's long past due to excommunicate many of these right-wing fascist Catholics in America. Crowman2009 Yesterday #31
Like that will scare him. Bob doesn't strike me as the type to suffer fools. He also strikes me as the type Scrivener7 Yesterday #34
The forces of darkness have thrown down the gauntlet. patphil Yesterday #39
Jeezus. Impeach him! Joinfortmill Yesterday #40
Well, that's some crazy shit right there. MerryBlooms Yesterday #42
Say what? Cirsium Yesterday #44
Welp, for those who thought this administration left the rails and went full wackaloon in the last few weeks, Emrys Yesterday #46
Yup. God help us all!! blue-wave Yesterday #50
I mean, would you look at that upholstery: Emrys Yesterday #58
Jay Dee would blue-wave 23 hrs ago #72
How many American Cardinals blue-wave Yesterday #48
I'm confident there will be not a word of this on EWTN DBoon Yesterday #53
The Avignon Papacy could be second pope Buzz cook Yesterday #54
Well, it's high time the Antipope put in an appearance Emrys Yesterday #65
Kick! red dog 1 Yesterday #57
Didn't the Pope snub Vance on his last visit? vapor2 Yesterday #60
Yes malaise Yesterday #64
So now Trump is going to bomb the Vatican? DFW Yesterday #61
Another link malaise 23 hrs ago #79
To match the elbow-bending tendencies of Pete Hegseth, Mblaze 23 hrs ago #68
They are all drunk on power. Figarosmom 23 hrs ago #69
Pentagon Threatened the Pope After He Criticized Trump LetMyPeopleVote 23 hrs ago #73
Good link malaise 23 hrs ago #75
Remember when Trump dressed up as the Pope? delisen 23 hrs ago #78
THIS malaise 23 hrs ago #80
Trump did not "dress up as the Pope" Wiz Imp 3 hrs ago #144
Well, I thought they were all devout Christians.....nope it's all cosplay. spanone 22 hrs ago #81
The best news is that the pope malaise 22 hrs ago #87
Six of the current Nine Supreme Court Justices are Catholic. mackdaddy 22 hrs ago #88
How many of those six are Opus Dei? Wednesdays 20 hrs ago #104
Indeed. calimary 4 hrs ago #141
Omg BlueWaveNeverEnd 22 hrs ago #89
NAZI diplomacy, but not so classy. Kid Berwyn 21 hrs ago #94
I can't believe this. The Trump Administration doesn't know that much history. n/t malthaussen 21 hrs ago #97
I think trump just wants KT2000 20 hrs ago #100
This is outrageously insane even for the Trump administration. valleyrogue 20 hrs ago #107
Post removed Post removed 19 hrs ago #111
I believe that Mierda47 has secured a seat in hell. n/t aggiesal 17 hrs ago #113
I want earthly punishment malaise 12 hrs ago #115
I want both. n/t aggiesal 10 hrs ago #123
LOL malaise 10 hrs ago #124
an under secretary "summons" an ambassador? and not at the state dept?/ rampartd 12 hrs ago #116
All our worst nightmares about the influence of violent video malaise 11 hrs ago #118
I didn't think anyone in Trumps administration was even that smart. BradBo 11 hrs ago #120
These people are fucking crazy. This is Steven Miller the whole way. BradBo 11 hrs ago #121
Or Bannon malaise 10 hrs ago #122
Holy crap! PatSeg 9 hrs ago #125
Yep malaise 9 hrs ago #126
This is the kind of evil and madness PatSeg 3 hrs ago #143
How many divisions does the Pope have?-Josef Stalin CanonRay 9 hrs ago #127
You are correct malaise 8 hrs ago #132
Trumps reply.. Playingmantis 9 hrs ago #128
Threatening the Pope maliaSmith 7 hrs ago #134
And those same morons that call themselves Catholic and voted for the Orange Potato and GOP congress mdbl 6 hrs ago #137
Look at who Kegbreath's pastor is. This pretty much explains it all. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 5 hrs ago #138
It feels sorta like John Paul II v Moscow, 2.0 Torchlight 5 hrs ago #139
Out of control maniacs with unlimited power at their fingertips. Martin68 3 hrs ago #145
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