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John1956PA

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127. I think that, after the bullet grazed T's ear, it traveled south and struck the hydraulics of the lift.

Mon Apr 27, 2026, 05:58 AM

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Just after the first shot was fired, the lift, which was holding up a large flag, started to spew hydraulic fluid on the crowd, and its boom started to descend.

I think the firefighter was seated to the north of Trump, and that the back of his head was struck by the second or third bullet. I do not think he had time to react in the instant before the bullet struck him.

I base my opinions on a YouTube video by fellow whose name is Mike Bell. He posted his video a few days after the event. He used a CAD (computer assisted drafting) analysis to track the trajectories of the rounds. His analysis seemed sensible to me when I watched the video in July 2024. The video is still up on YouTube.

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For those who believe Butler PA was "staged" or false flag... [View all] WarGamer Sunday OP

Trump brings out the worst in people! LeftInTX Sunday #1

Even if it was real... EarthAbides Sunday #2

taking away credibility at risk of sounding like a loon? WarGamer Sunday #3

here is the really dangerous logic - 'It's okay if we're lying like rugs .. because .. X, Y, 'other guys' .. blah, blah" stopdiggin Sunday #16

Problem is we can't believe anything he says. He is a pathological liar. Walleye Sunday #4

Then don't listen to the WH or any GOP'er WarGamer Sunday #6

I don't believe, Butler was staged, but I don't believe we got the truth about it. We probably won't get the truth about Walleye Sunday #14

That's where I'm at PatSeg Sunday #38

Embellished for sure. A plastic surgeon gave an opinion about his ear a year later. LeftInTX Sunday #73

Well, we all know how seriously PatSeg Sunday #93

I was a nurse. I was newborn mostly, so didn't document many wounds. LeftInTX Sunday #94

Most of what he says medically PatSeg Sunday #97

He has less than zero credibility biocube Sunday #84

He called his political rivals crooks, and was shot at by a young man named, Crooks. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Sunday #5

Explain the ear lame54 Sunday #7

Explain the dead bystander. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sunday #9

A bullet killed him lame54 Sunday #10

Collateral damage? This regime is cynical enough that they'd believe it a price worth paying. TheRickles Sunday #15

Yes, I do believe that they don't give a fuck oldmanlynn Sunday #68

Explain the war with Iran, if you think Trump is above innocent civilians dying to further his agenda. W_HAMILTON Sunday #27

So Trump knew in advance a bystander would be killed in Butler? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #30

I'm pointing out the argument that Trump would never sacrifice an innocent life is also ridiculous. W_HAMILTON Sunday #35

I think he is high on his own supply Fiendish Thingy Sunday #54

No more so than being a citizen of another country thinking you have some say in who Dems nominate in 2028. BannonsLiver Sunday #50

I think you misunderstand... lame54 Sunday #86

The ear was nicked by a bullet. The bullet then hit someone and killed them. Melon Sunday #113

Was it though... lame54 Sunday #117

I think that, after the bullet grazed T's ear, it traveled south and struck the hydraulics of the lift. John1956PA Yesterday #127

Think of who we're talking about. If a bullet grazed his ear, he would have released photos and doctor reports. Scrivener7 Yesterday #131

Not that I disagree with you Boo1 Sunday #31

The point is: if staged, who knew? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #33

hmmmm Boo1 Sunday #41

Defies all logic and the laws of physics Fiendish Thingy Sunday #44

Physics? Boo1 Sunday #48

Another theory is, they didn't move because they hate the felon who puts them at risk Justice matters. Sunday #70

We can be sure that Lauren Boebert did not know. mr715 Sunday #43

The secret service seems incompetent viva la Sunday #60

The shooter openly mocked the SS and Trump's poor security in his manifesto. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sunday #72

Yeah, the people who planned to have people killed on 1/6 would absolutely not want someone killed for their false flag themaguffin Sunday #83

So the Proud Boys staged the shooting last night? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #95

What the fuck do the proud boys have to do with this? themaguffin Sunday #101

From your own post: Fiendish Thingy Sunday #103

I didn't mention or talk about the proud boys. What a weird reply. themaguffin Yesterday #133

Oh I think his people are perfectly willing to "sacrifice" someone for the cause. NT Happy Hoosier Yesterday #141

So walk me through how that works Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #142

Minor wound. He got lucky. SS agents had similar type wounds from debri. LeftInTX Sunday #80

The abandonment of critical thinking skills s appalling. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sunday #8

While I agree with your statement regarding... Wuddles440 Sunday #22

What is your professional experience sarisataka Sunday #25

Thirty years as a Federal Special Agent both as an active participate... Wuddles440 Sunday #26

Which false flag operations are you referring to? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sunday #28

While the historical record is... Wuddles440 Sunday #104

Oh. You're attempting to conflate false flags where there was no individual caught muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #126

"Your claimed position"... Wuddles440 Yesterday #130

Well, yes, we have no idea that "Wuddles440" on DU has anything to do with dignitary protection assignments muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #135

Are you a MAGAT or Putin troll? Wuddles440 Yesterday #139

You do have nore than I do sarisataka Sunday #39

While I think engaging in CT is usually counterproductive BannonsLiver Sunday #11

In part, I agree. Igel Sunday #37

Yeah, I read all that right here. Kingofalldems Sunday #53

Indeed we have! BannonsLiver Sunday #55

Stop scolding people leftstreet Sunday #12

no. this is not about scolding skepticism. this is about calling out people that think it is stopdiggin Sunday #18

Sounds like ForgedCrank Sunday #62

While I mostly agree, there is a logical fallacy running through your argument... hlthe2b Sunday #13

More like a fragment or whatever? However, it did bleed. LeftInTX Sunday #29

I see nothing far-fetched about Trump's superficial ear wound misanthrope Sunday #61

Makes sense to me LeftInTX Sunday #74

True.... Escape Sunday #75

His hand moved to acknowledge the injury, it was natural motion Shellback Squid Sunday #17

It's embarrassing. Trump has rotted out the brains of more than just his supporters. tritsofme Sunday #19

The "staging" fantasies are a first rate psych test gulliver Sunday #20

To answer the OP, in one staged scenario, Trump has a blood capsule behind his ear. When he goes down Doodley Sunday #21

Explain the dead shooter, is, I think, more important muriel_volestrangler Sunday #23

It's not my position but the theory would be "men staring at goats " thing questionseverything Sunday #85

Is that "Men Who Stare at Goats" the book, or the film? muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #125

Not necessarily. An old wrestling trick is to nick the ear or use a blood squib ... Ritabert Sunday #24

the thing about conspiracies is mopinko Sunday #32

The thing that seemed most odd to me was that the SS did not keep him pinned to the ground... 3catwoman3 Sunday #34

You saw him last night? Whether he fell or whether he was supposed to get down...Who knows? LeftInTX Sunday #46

I didn't watch any of the WHCD stuff. My comment... 3catwoman3 Sunday #51

I also find it odd that we never heard from any of the medical staff GoCubsGo Sunday #47

Trump was a private citizen at the time. LeftInTX Sunday #49

Piggy was a private citizen? MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #57

Michelle Obama has SS Protection. She's a private citizen. LeftInTX Sunday #58

You find it odd that medical professionals didn't openly violate HIPAA so you could watch them on cable news shows? tritsofme Sunday #52

There is no room for nuance in anyone's brain anymore. RockRaven Sunday #36

Completely agree. Most times things just are as they seem. underpants Sunday #40

We've been having this discussion since like 1 hour after Butler actually happened AZJonnie Sunday #42

When viewed "through the lens of historical pattern recognition" you ARE NOT CRAZY." pat_k Sunday #45

It was real Cerulean Southpaw Sunday #56

"You'd have to believe that T.... agreed to have a shooter place a round an inch from his head as part of the deal.." MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #59

Yeah, that picture doesn't prove anything for me. hamsterjill Sunday #64

Photographer Doug Mills won a Pulitzer Prize in photography for the sequence of three photos. John1956PA Sunday #78

Did Trump appoint the committee? hamsterjill Sunday #88

😊 Thank you for your good wishes. John1956PA Sunday #92

Dude was shooting with FILM? dpibel Sunday #116

Your insight is sharp. No film was involved. The photos are digital. John1956PA Yesterday #122

It looks fake MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #98

Where are the stars in the background sarisataka Sunday #102

Recommended. John1956PA Sunday #108

I don't have a theory MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #120

The bullet is not a foot long sarisataka Yesterday #121

How did his ear grow back? Resistance1 Sunday #63

always the usual suspects Skittles Sunday #65

He said it "whizzed" past his ear William Seger Sunday #66

I don't know if I believe that picture and I don't know if I believe there was a bullet that even came close to his ear oldmanlynn Sunday #67

I have to say, if your entire evidence is this one picture, it is pretty thin evidence. flashman13 Sunday #76

Professional photographer Doug Mills won a Pulitzer Prize in photography for the three-photograph sequence. John1956PA Sunday #79

Do you have a link to the Pulitzer Prize announcement? flashman13 Sunday #81

Link to Pulitzer Prize website: John1956PA Sunday #82

See my later post. flashman13 Sunday #99

Thank you for your post. I agree with everything you state. John1956PA Sunday #105

This is not a hot take...AR15's are very accurate. . Melon Sunday #118

I never said ARs were not accurate. I said accuracy depends on capability of the user and circumstances. flashman13 Yesterday #143

We can agree to disagree Melon Yesterday #144

This message was self-deleted by its author mahatmakanejeeves Sunday #112

Pulitzer said Mills "could" have taken the photograph. Could is somewhat equivocal. Pulitzer doesn't say he DID flashman13 Sunday #89

I am not sure I am certain of the context in which the word "could" was used. John1956PA Sunday #91

Well that certainly sounds legit! MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #100

Make that Doug Mills' third Pulitzer Prize. mahatmakanejeeves Sunday #114

Photographer Doug Mills won a Pulitzer prize for the sequence of three photos John1956PA Sunday #77

Explain how the shooter got in and managed to climb up on a roof close by while being seen. lees1975 Sunday #69

Fake AF! Trump killed more people than any of his fraudulent "Assassination Attempts" AStern Sunday #71

You Don't Know A Bullet Got That Close. ColoringFool Sunday #87

You're assuming they told him it was going to happen jmowreader Sunday #90

A man was kiĺled at that "staged" event, l doubt that someone would go Raine Sunday #96

Trump really doesn't care. Blue Full Moon Sunday #106

Any OPs on how Trump lies about everything? Kingofalldems Sunday #107

every other thread on GD WarGamer Sunday #111

Nope. He staged it. Scrivener7 Sunday #109

Well, at least we got a new use of Maxi-Pad's for an ear wound... Who would have thought? William Gustafson Sunday #110

It's interesting that everyone who has been caught apparently attempting to shoot Trump lees1975 Sunday #115

All three planned in advance to some point. Two left manifestos. John1956PA Yesterday #123

Trump wasn't president during the PA or FL events. LeftInTX Yesterday #124

Doesn't negate the possibiities. lees1975 15 hrs ago #146

He couldn't control the SS LeftInTX 15 hrs ago #147

This is such a bad look at this point. Kanye West is even posting laughing at the conspiracy theories Melon Sunday #119

Nope. I don't believe that Orange Julius is that brave Vogon_Glory Yesterday #128

I don't believe it was staged, but I do believe it was exploited Tommy Carcetti Yesterday #129

Yep. Trump sure seems to have good timing when it comes to events he can exploit. LeftInTX Yesterday #132

I don't believe Butler was staged. But the correspondents dinner was phony as fuck. Autumn Yesterday #134

Why is it phony if he didn't make it to the floor? LeftInTX Yesterday #137

Trump had ALL his people there. There was less security than other events. Autumn Yesterday #138

Just to add to the record . . . John1956PA Yesterday #136

Clearly... WarGamer 17 hrs ago #145

Mr trump's still in his"post invasion mop up phase." Torchlight Yesterday #140