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65. It sure sounds that way n/t

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Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:13 PM

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Nye Bevan Jan 2013 OP

Blaming the victim. Classy. Tempest Jan 2013 #1

I believe it's a rebuttal to this thread: PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #3

No, that's a great thread. Nothing there to "rebut". (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #5

You'll have to explain the connection Tempest Jan 2013 #9

The OP posted a very sarcastic reply in there and I even used the term 'vicitm blame' in reply to it PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #51

I'm male. My dad taught ME to stay out of risky situations, and to intervene when I saw... slackmaster Jan 2013 #4

You don't agree with me? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #6

Apparently some people think that teaching girls to take care of themselves is "blaming the victim" slackmaster Jan 2013 #8

Once again, that's not what she posted. Tempest Jan 2013 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #33

do you GET what you are saying. be afraid girls... all the time. be paranoid girls, all the time. seabeyond Jan 2013 #41

Yeah, just watch the MRA guys go batshit insane whenever we bring up Schr�dinger's rapist. KitSileya Jan 2013 #69

dont have bruises and broken bones? not raped. consent. really. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #73

You have to be afraid unless you have some man there to take you everywhere duffyduff Jan 2013 #95

as a gay man I have to say dsc Jan 2013 #97

Wary of people they know? Tempest Jan 2013 #58

What the blue fuck does the NRA have to do with taking reasonable precautions with everyone? slackmaster Jan 2013 #60

The NRA: Be afraid of everyone. Get a gun to protect yourself. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #81

THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU POSTED Tempest Jan 2013 #10

Are you suggesting that women should not bother practicing situational awareness? slackmaster Jan 2013 #15

a woman was at a concert. a man walked up behind her and stuck hand up her skirt. courts blamed her seabeyond Jan 2013 #21

False equivalence. A bad court decision isn't a true measure of who is at fault. slackmaster Jan 2013 #24

no. it is not false. but does not meet YOUR argument. cause you are wrong. it perfectly seabeyond Jan 2013 #38

The judge is a fucking idiot slackmaster Jan 2013 #42

it is not the POINT, about the judge being an idiot. it is the same thing you men are seabeyond Jan 2013 #45

Uh-oh, now I am a member of the infamous hated group called "you men" slackmaster Jan 2013 #48

geeezus, just stop. you are wrong. you refuse to listen to women. now you do the BS man hater seabeyond Jan 2013 #57

This thread is about rape PREVENTION slackmaster Jan 2013 #63

No, it's risk reduction. Not prevention. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #68

yes. i really resented the hell out of prevention, but obviously this poster refuses to listen and seabeyond Jan 2013 #74

The poster fails to see the difference and that we are sick to DEATH of the 'confusion' PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #84

that judge was a woman TorchTheWitch Jan 2013 #70

That court was wrong and stupid (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #40

but that is the problem with shifting blame. you feel the girl should have been aware, seabeyond Jan 2013 #43

A bar is not usually a risky situation, but it can be. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #18

how about a company christmas party? the girl really should have known with all her co workers seabeyond Jan 2013 #23

Depends on the coworkers. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #44

you would be wrong. this girl should have been aware. she was raped. nation wide company. seabeyond Jan 2013 #46

A woman who is alone for any reason is in a "risky situation" and therefore duffyduff Jan 2013 #96

You should teach them to fill their own drinks abelenkpe Jan 2013 #12

As a father of daughters, that stuff scares the hell out of me. Thanks for sharing. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #22

Don't worry it's society we need to change abelenkpe Jan 2013 #34

Why is learning to be wary the same as blaming the victim? rainin Jan 2013 #13

Christ, I can't believe I have to explain this again Tempest Jan 2013 #30

Maybe you are finding yourself trying to explain yourself again because you are wrong slackmaster Jan 2013 #39

That's is nothing more than a variation of what the NRA says Tempest Jan 2013 #49

You're just wrong about my attitude and about the OP slackmaster Jan 2013 #50

And yet on more than one post here you mimick the NRA's meme. Tempest Jan 2013 #64

That's beyond ridiculous slackmaster Jan 2013 #67

it is the comment that a victim should not put herself in a risky position. a bar, concert, trusted seabeyond Jan 2013 #32

THANK YOU! Tempest Jan 2013 #53

YES! My dad taught me exactly that when I was 16. slackmaster Jan 2013 #2

No absolutely means no. But the issue I can't easily figure out pnwmom Jan 2013 #7

They are both stupid. n/t rainin Jan 2013 #14

My favorite definition of abuse focusses on whether there's an imbalance of power. snot Jan 2013 #28

university in our area does something interesting. the upper classes go to the parties, stay sober seabeyond Jan 2013 #16

I LOVE that idea (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #26

yes. it is easy enough to implement. and is effective. it is a village mentality. and good for seabeyond Jan 2013 #54

What constitutes a 'risky situation?' n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #17

Good question abelenkpe Jan 2013 #25

Yes, here in Norway, KitSileya Jan 2013 #66

That's messed up abelenkpe Jan 2013 #82

Probably ought to teach them it's not ok to drug someone abelenkpe Jan 2013 #19

Risky situations? KitSileya Jan 2013 #20

I'm very sorry for what happened to you. yardwork Jan 2013 #29

Thank you. KitSileya Jan 2013 #47

+1 leftstreet Jan 2013 #31

Would you agree that women should be taught to be wary of men they don't know? yardwork Jan 2013 #27

I think anyone should be wary of anyone they don't know, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #36

The reason I ask is that that question caused a flamewar on DU some months ago. yardwork Jan 2013 #62

I am very, very aware of the fear that women live with. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #71

Thanks. I hope that you will remember it and be supportive the next time this comes up on DU. yardwork Jan 2013 #80

we are responsible for not being raped being paranoid/afraid of ALL men and we are not allowed to be seabeyond Jan 2013 #72

You know it, seabeyond. And those of us who point it out are called all kinds of names on DU. yardwork Jan 2013 #78

They have more to fear from men they know. Tempest Jan 2013 #56

See my post #62. There's been some inconsistency on this on DU. yardwork Jan 2013 #76

Agree, they and younger people also need to be taught about the danger HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #35

More than 70% of rapes are by someone the victim knows Tempest Jan 2013 #37

Never watch and let someone do what I did one time. brewens Jan 2013 #52

Something very similar happened to me just before Christmas slackmaster Jan 2013 #55

What the hell is a risky situation? etherealtruth Jan 2013 #59

Apparently for some a risky situation is any where a male is in the vicinity. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #61

It sure sounds that way n/t etherealtruth Jan 2013 #65

It could also mean a guy taking home a girl that is really drunk. The odds may be brewens Jan 2013 #75

It depends. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #77

My job requires me (very often) to be in vacant and abandoned buildings and properties etherealtruth Jan 2013 #85

Only you can answer those questions. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #87

And, to clarify, you're encouraging risk reduction, not suggesting it would be her fault PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #88

YES. It is NEVER the victim's fault. NEVER. (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #90

OK, I think that is what all of the controversy is about. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #91

And while you're teaching her to be fearful, make sure to let her know about PPD. Tempest Jan 2013 #79

Women and girls don't need to be reminded of the risks they face of sexual assault Recursion Jan 2013 #83

Is it OK with you if I warn my daughters about Rhohypnol? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #99

Whoa... had to doublecheck to make sure I wasn't accidentally at Freeperville MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #86

Yep, "no means no" and warning my daughters about date-rape drugs is dangerously right-wing stuff. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #89

How very disingenuous of you MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #92

I also have no idea what you're getting at. pnwmom Jan 2013 #94

Now it's your 'daughters' and 'date-rape drugs?' leftstreet Jan 2013 #98

May be off topic... Googling Rohypnol (flunitrazepam)... nenagh Jan 2013 #93

Apparently not mythology Jan 2013 #100

I think this discussion has run its course so I am closing it. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #101

I am not offended by this, at all. It's realistic. Quantess Jan 2013 #102