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In reply to the discussion: The saddest graph you’ll see today [View all]intaglio
(8,170 posts)19. Excuse me but these are fatuous MRA talking points
I think a false allegation is so very easy to make and often impossible to defend.
Proof? Actually false accusations are difficult to make because lies like this are believed by the police everywhere. Look at the graph, the vast bulk of rapes are never reported. It is also known those that are reported are often not investigated or the victim is advised of the terrible consequences of exposure and the chance of perjury charges.
As I now live in the UK I really cannot comment on US cases but one thing disturbs me in the UK : there is provision for very good compensation payments to be received and historic abuse cases seem to be numerous in the UK.
I live in the UK and can say your opinion is false. These "good" compensation payments are only available in a tiny minority of cases where there is evidence that the authorities failed. Criminal Injuries Compensation is a bit of a joke and very rarely issued unless proven long term physical or mental damage is evident.
While I have no idea of the truth of the matter but the recent late BBC DJ Jimmy Savile case there are allegedly over 500 people making claims. I simply cannot get my head around the fact that over 500 people say they were raped by this man and none of them (apart from 2 which were investigated in 2007 and police found no evidence) came forward in the 40 years these assaults are alleged to have occurred.
A complete falsehood. There were many reports of "Sir" Jimmy's vile abuse in fifty years - just not many were investigated and none were pursued. It is only since his death that investigations into a tiny minority of cases have brought the extent of his nauseating perversions to light. Remember that this piece of human crap deliberately chose victims unlikely to report him or who, if they did report him, were not likely to be believed. Additionally, for the majority of his career such abuse of the vulnerable was regarded almost as a perk of the job In Germany they dropped government cash compensation a few years ago and replaced that with ongoing treatment for life if necessary in rape cases and the figures for rape dropped quite a lot.
Citation needed, please. Also I would like to see the figures on rapes not reported.
None of this proves or disproves anything : anyone genuinely assaulted needs every assistance possible and the perpetrators to face the full fury of the law.
We also need fully trained police officers as well.
there needs to be ongoing education in schools and lots of discussion.
These are true but I see these platitudes offered by MRA apologists to excuse their opinions. What is left out is that it has to be assumed that there are vast numbers of unreported rapes to justify the expense of these measuresWe also need fully trained police officers as well.
there needs to be ongoing education in schools and lots of discussion.
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If you have no idea how the group reached their conclusions, why are you so sure that they are wrong
yardwork
Jan 2013
#78
If you are actually saying that women were threatened with PROSECUTION for reporting a rape-
WCLinolVir
Jan 2013
#76
you are correct. I know someone falsely accused and it cost them about tens time what it cost you
Swagman
Jan 2013
#44
I have no idea what the real figures are but I recall the dodgy US Attorney General claimed
Swagman
Jan 2013
#58
I'm always reluctant to get involved with these discussions but I think a false allegation is so
Swagman
Jan 2013
#12
Try the known discarded police reports from the Met and Manchester and Liverpool
intaglio
Jan 2013
#36
what the fuck is the MRA and it is you spouting rubbish by weaving separate incidents
Swagman
Jan 2013
#57
exactly. what about their lives? I've heard people say that there are so few that it's not
samsingh
Jan 2013
#40
this is what the more hysterical will say uniquely in sex assault cases : it is better for a few
Swagman
Jan 2013
#45
The NCVS works by drawing a geographically stratified random sample of Americans
Jackpine Radical
Jan 2013
#31
how dare you accuse people of being rape apologists because they discuss false accusations
Swagman
Jan 2013
#59
That's what I understood him to be saying. He's gone off in a huff now, putting me on ignore.
yardwork
Jan 2013
#99
I don't see anybody disagreeing with the fact that false accusations are a problem.
yardwork
Jan 2013
#97
what's "faced trial", shouldn't there be jailed, charged, reported, unreported?
snooper2
Jan 2013
#34