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defacto7

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55. Thanks Denninmi for helping people understand.

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:35 AM

Jan 2013

The whole discussion and misinformation would be unnecessary if the instruments of killing were disposed of. But that will probably never happen in this country. Because of that, people end up looking for quick and easy solutions that end up placing blame to point away from the fact that we are in a hole that can't be fixed and it's a hole of our own making. Humans don't like being cornered; we all seek answers to dilemma and when we can't find it, we create something, anything to patch the empty hole and cover our fears. Unfortunately, cruel and stupid words are flung around and people get hurt.

When we do our best to help others see from a different perspective and make our points, it's not of any use or worth the effort to expect people to change or be moved. We just plant the seed and know we did our bit to make the point and move on.

Thanks for your strong and reasonable point of view.

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Blame everything on mental illness. Blame me personally if you want. [View all] Denninmi Jan 2013 OP

Ditto. Neoma Jan 2013 #1

Rock on, Denninmi! Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #2

Well said. Thank you for saying it. OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #3

I think you're missing the point that's being made here at DU. Lionessa Jan 2013 #4

"While no one is stigmatizing you or your recovery" Neoma Jan 2013 #5

It keeps being claimed but no links, just a lot of innuendo. Lionessa Jan 2013 #7

Never seen the bigotry? You're quite frankly promoting it right now. Neoma Jan 2013 #9

rock on, neoma fizzgig Jan 2013 #19

Post #4 is a good place to start. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #58

Not stigmatizing? Denninmi Jan 2013 #10

"people who might have a breakdown, shouldn't have access to guns" sibelian Jan 2013 #14

I collect knives. Hear them shudder. Neoma Jan 2013 #15

I have a set of Calphalon chef's knives. Denninmi Jan 2013 #20

Most of mine are for whittling. Neoma Jan 2013 #24

OJ saw more to those type of knives. musical_soul Jan 2013 #51

but what if someone with a mental illness has never had a breakdown? fizzgig Jan 2013 #16

My personal opinion is that a breakdown requiring hospitalization is the line. Lionessa Jan 2013 #70

but you still seem to be equating mental illness with capacity for violence fizzgig Jan 2013 #72

Unreasonable violence shows mental illness. Those with mental illnesses that have caused Lionessa Jan 2013 #80

what proof do you have that they are at risk for additional breakdowns? fizzgig Jan 2013 #82

I don't think you mean to, Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #17

I locked myself in my office, and cried and threw up a lot. Denninmi Jan 2013 #21

A ban on owning guns, not on anything else. Only the NRA thinks everyone w/out regard to anything Lionessa Jan 2013 #71

And yet tama Jan 2013 #18

One other thing I should tell you. Denninmi Jan 2013 #25

Would job applications ask "can you legally own a firearm"? get the red out Jan 2013 #29

They could in the future if proposals to invade our medical privacy come to pass. Denninmi Jan 2013 #31

Exactly! get the red out Jan 2013 #33

And yet, those of us who have will be further discriminated against and scapegoated. Denninmi Jan 2013 #34

We should make decisions based on breakdowns--a term not used in psych records. HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #40

Wow. H2O Man Jan 2013 #46

Easy, now Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #47

What about AK-15s? Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #56

I believe you posted that you are a manic depressive. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #63

I am not manic depressive nor have I claimed to be. Lionessa Jan 2013 #69

Good point. rustydog Jan 2013 #66

So knowing one person with bipolar means you get to judge all people with bipolar in the same way? Neoma Jan 2013 #67

I agree, someone with that severity should be curtailed. Denninmi Jan 2013 #68

Mental illness is a broad term. Gun violence is less about mental illness & more about sociopathy. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #6

Yes! patricia92243 Jan 2013 #8

Bingo. We have a winner. Denninmi Jan 2013 #13

Bingo! LeftofObama Jan 2013 #22

+1 tama Jan 2013 #23

May sociopathy never be misconstrued as mental illness... socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #35

~17500 gun suicides last year. ~8500 gun homicides. HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #44

And sociopaths are among the most difficult defacto7 Jan 2013 #54

I've seen it too Denninmi and been disgusted. Its not just "one troll whose been TSd already"!!111!! riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #11

Good post... SidDithers Jan 2013 #12

I agree get the red out Jan 2013 #26

rec JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #27

I applaud your courage, Denninmi.. Permanut Jan 2013 #28

Wonderful post! Union Scribe Jan 2013 #30

Well said. Courage to you. historylovr Jan 2013 #32

You're exaggerating. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #36

Exaggerating what exactly? Neoma Jan 2013 #38

"how could someone in their "right mind"????" loyalsister Jan 2013 #37

It's curious that a couple of years ago DUers roundly rejected Intermittant Explosive Disorder HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #39

broadbrushes about 'the mentally ill' loyalsister Jan 2013 #43

It's going to be shocking if moms who are treated for post-partem depression HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #45

My thoughts exactly loyalsister Jan 2013 #49

When I think of someone who is mentally ill and dangerous I think of my uncle Robyn66 Jan 2013 #41

If you are aware of a Wal-Mart selling guns without a background check, Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #48

its legal in nh (nt) Robyn66 Jan 2013 #61

18 USC � 922(t) spells out the law for FFLs Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #73

Well-said, Denninmi! I wish people wold really =listen= to the endless side-effects mentioned in Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #42

Well..... musical_soul Jan 2013 #50

Well said, Denninmi. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #52

I believe it's a Red Herring anyway. There is no legal way to "use" the mental health system libdem4life Jan 2013 #53

Thanks Denninmi for helping people understand. defacto7 Jan 2013 #55

K&R JoeyT Jan 2013 #57

Well Stated, My Friend WiffenPoof Jan 2013 #59

I blame you... ileus Jan 2013 #60

Ah, go for it. Denninmi Jan 2013 #62

I'd love to get a new Mt Bike ileus Jan 2013 #65

Not all gun owners are 'nuts' and kill people, not all with MI hurt others The Straight Story Jan 2013 #64

Depression is not the same as being a sociopath. I have dealt with depression since high school. Jennicut Jan 2013 #74

Exactly. Denninmi Jan 2013 #75

Good luck to you. Jennicut Jan 2013 #79

Hey, thanks! Denninmi Jan 2013 #81

I imagine there are certain types of MI which are more prevalent in dkf Jan 2013 #76

That's the problem. Neoma Jan 2013 #77

Are you saying I am wrong in targeting a gun ban against those symptoms? dkf Jan 2013 #78