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45. I don't know, but it might be. I am also think of that fellow who killed many last summer

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:46 AM

Jan 2013

And please excuse me for not looking this up, but I think it was in Norway that the fellow went to some island that was being used as a youth camp of some sort. He had the luxury of a couple of hours shooting spree and I think he shot something like 40 or so people. So its not just a problem here, but of course it seems to be worse here than elsewhere.

I honestly think we have developed a more violent character, probably originating with the false bravado that was our self-proclaimed winning of the second world war. Go ask the Russians who actually paid the price for winning that war - but that is another discussion. At any rate we are the home of international bloody media. Turn on a television to any commercial channel you like and just watch the previews of upcoming movies that are going to be released in the next couple of weeks - it will be an absolute bloodfest that they show. Commercial television programs aren't a bit better and I honestly think that for many many people the television defines their version of reality.

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Do you think violent movies, TV, and video games contribute NOTHING to the carnage in this country? [View all] Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 OP

Your username caused me to poke somebody in the eye. LeftyMom Jan 2013 #1

awok awok awok! Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #2

I get it. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #29

Do they contribute to the carnage in Japan? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #3

Or Canada? (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #11

maybe they play different video games and watch different movies than us JI7 Jan 2013 #15

They don't. jeff47 Jan 2013 #19

Hell if anything, in Japan those movies are more violent. geomon666 Jan 2013 #40

Battle Royale comes to mind frylock Jan 2013 #135

Or Holland? Germany? The UK? Belgium? France? BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #54

The suicide rate in Japan is very high. Social conformity is expected>violence turned inwards KittyWampus Jan 2013 #70

Good response. Thread was ended quickly. LittleBlue Jan 2013 #132

that same media is available in other countries too 0rganism Jan 2013 #4

Yes Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #8

Your theory would require other countries to be similarly affected jeff47 Jan 2013 #20

Actually, there is violent crime Europe. In fact, it's quite high. I was just looking at statistics. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #87

Well then.. 99Forever Jan 2013 #39

so then the question becomes "Why is *this* country so damned different?" 0rganism Jan 2013 #130

Are violent movies, TV, and video games a cause or effect? Downwinder Jan 2013 #5

Violence is not an invention of film makers, video game makers, or comic book writers... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #6

I don't know, but crushing someone's head in a vice is HILARIOUS. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #7

A simple request before bedtime Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #9

Well if you want people to take you seriously Confusious Jan 2013 #10

I don't think so, no Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #12

Let's say, "Yes, violent movies, TV, and video games contribute to carnage in this country." justiceischeap Jan 2013 #13

we can then blame the mentally ill, and after that JI7 Jan 2013 #16

How many kids died in China because of that knife attack? justiceischeap Jan 2013 #24

even MORE frustrating is that apparently violent crime is acceptable if it doesn't involve guns. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #85

Not acceptable, just less fatal. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2013 #123

Considering that some European countries & Canada do have fairly high gun ownership rates KittyWampus Jan 2013 #93

I don't think, unless we lobotomize people, we are going to do away with violent crime justiceischeap Jan 2013 #136

You sound JUST like the Glenn Beck show! RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #14

You mean to tell me... loose wheel Jan 2013 #17

another angle Locrian Jan 2013 #18

No obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #21

Personally, yes Recursion Jan 2013 #22

Here is a sub-argument in defense of what you have said 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #23

Because only people in the US are hermits? jeff47 Jan 2013 #26

I don't know, but it might be. I am also think of that fellow who killed many last summer 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #45

No, we're not home to bloody media jeff47 Jan 2013 #53

Everything should be on the table. Otherwise, we are not serious about change. randome Jan 2013 #55

Then I want intergalactic radioactive walruses on the table. jeff47 Jan 2013 #76

No one is saying "It's violent media." randome Jan 2013 #79

Good thinking 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #99

Hell, even the Internet may have an influence. randome Jan 2013 #101

What drives suicidal mass shooters > researcher links suicide bombers/mass shooters. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #109

Do you realize this same argument was used against your generation? jeff47 Jan 2013 #127

Actually, you are jeff47 Jan 2013 #121

'Influence'. Not 'cause'. randome Jan 2013 #125

Actually, there's plenty of science that can do so jeff47 Jan 2013 #128

Michael Moore said the difference stems from Americans being more fearful. randome Jan 2013 #133

And I say it's from those walruses jeff47 Jan 2013 #139

I think Institutional Violence in the USA might be a factor too. Poverty for instance. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #105

You need to be specific in saying "gun violence" because Europe also has violent crimes like rape. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #104

Unless you're actually trying to argue about violent media jeff47 Jan 2013 #124

Mass shootings do happen in other countries. Proliferation of guns in the US points to need for gun KittyWampus Jan 2013 #103

Except in other countries they are exceptionally rare. jeff47 Jan 2013 #122

yes there is a personality type marions ghost Jan 2013 #69

Today people blame video games jeff47 Jan 2013 #25

We didn't have widely available torture porn in previous decades. randome Jan 2013 #33

And that argument has been used for decades. jeff47 Jan 2013 #48

Yeah, about that, might wanna look into the stuff that inspired the Comics Code. Posteritatis Jan 2013 #142

I blame a lot of it on the Scary Movie series... snooper2 Jan 2013 #27

I think they contribute so little it might as well be nothing NeedleCast Jan 2013 #28

pretty much Johonny Jan 2013 #35

I think that what video games provide is an aggression displacement outlet. At worst they condition ancianita Jan 2013 #30

Movies are made to watch. Guns are made to kill. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #31

Garbage in, garbage out... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #32

Complete lack of parenting does more damage, maybe irreperable damage Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #34

In fact, one of the reasons our movie industry is such low quality is pandering to overseas markets. Romulox Jan 2013 #36

Um to answer your question, No, but kydo Jan 2013 #37

If hate radio can influence us, then so can violent movies and videogames. randome Jan 2013 #38

no kydo Jan 2013 #41

Gaming is a way of life for many. That should be cause for concern right there. randome Jan 2013 #42

I'm not saying kydo Jan 2013 #46

Yeah, hate radio should be on the table as well. randome Jan 2013 #49

These things exist because there is a clear market for them. mn9driver Jan 2013 #43

Indeed LiberalEsque01 Jan 2013 #44

There is more violence in the Bible than a Tarantino movie jberryhill Jan 2013 #47

Not just MORE but also worse. Shadowflash Jan 2013 #80

They are a SYMPTOM of the problem, not a cause n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #50

I don't think anyone is saying they are a cause. randome Jan 2013 #52

I got that the OP was saying they were a cause. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #56

As serious as we should be about self-examination on this topic... randome Jan 2013 #59

Oh really? a neighbor's dog WAS an influence in mass murder RomneyLies Jan 2013 #62

The prevalence of opinion does not implicate dogs, however. randome Jan 2013 #66

Fallacy Ad Populum RomneyLies Jan 2013 #74

I don't agree. We need starting points. randome Jan 2013 #75

They're a symptom not a cause nt Report1212 Jan 2013 #51

I think they are most definitely a piece of the puzzle. Voice for Peace Jan 2013 #57

I think a very very tiny MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #58

I think internet bulletin boards and Fox News contribute more to the violence problem that gamess Sheepshank Jan 2013 #60

Then that should be on the table, as well. randome Jan 2013 #61

seems like there are politicians that like to provoke anger, paranoia and revenge Sheepshank Jan 2013 #63

They're selling crap that too many are buying into. randome Jan 2013 #67

Yes, I don't think they contribute a thing to carnage in this country WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #64

Then how do other nations deal with this crisis of yours? Rex Jan 2013 #65

They are not as fearful nor as hateful as Americans. randome Jan 2013 #71

I'm going with neuro toxins and neuro chemical imbalance. L0oniX Jan 2013 #68

I don't have to "think." The statistics do it for me. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #72

Yet DU'ers will constantly blame FOX News & Rush Limbaugh. HYPOCRITES. Either Media does have KittyWampus Jan 2013 #73

There is no hypocrisy. Most who listen to FOX aren't listening in the same context berni_mccoy Jan 2013 #77

Yes of course there is hypocrisy. Either it influences someone or it doesn't. Your need to try and KittyWampus Jan 2013 #81

You need to rationalize why you can't understand Zoeisright Jan 2013 #91

I picked my lane that is backed with science. That Media does influence our behavior, attitudes. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #100

All the science done on the effect of video games nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #110

Actually the science indicates that violent Media does effect us. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #116

I will pick a lane nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #118

there is quite a bit of noteworthy science that violent gaming impacts KittyWampus Jan 2013 #120

And all the reviews I have read is the science specifically nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #126

Your own bias is showing when you say anyone wants to 'ban' video games. randome Jan 2013 #129

Also, Fox and Rush tend to actually call for action Posteritatis Jan 2013 #143

False equivocate much? 99Forever Jan 2013 #78

The subject is Media and whether it influences behavior, is it not? Pick a lane. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #82

Nope, Delicate Flower... 99Forever Jan 2013 #131

I agree KittyWampus Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #84

They're fucking inciting violence. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #90

DU'ers blamed the tv show "24" for many believing torture works. As example #2. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #95

so why doesn't the rest of the world which also sees the same movies and video games Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #83

Well you see there are those that don't play violent video games, or watch violent films Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #86

As Michael Moore pointed out, Americans are more fearful and hateful. randome Jan 2013 #89

any analysis to back that up? Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #92

No proof. I also don't have proof that climate change is caused by Man. randome Jan 2013 #98

actually there are plenty of studies Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #112

generally speaking science is a better tool Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #114

Sure. randome Jan 2013 #119

DING DING DING! And he also used MEDIA examples of how we are conditioned. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #97

he has also pointed out that every shooting has involved SSRI's green for victory Jan 2013 #137

I sincerely hope that is on the table for Biden's task force, as well. randome Jan 2013 #140

There was MORE violence in the world BEFORE mass media Zoeisright Jan 2013 #88

I think anything violent can set off an unbalanced mind Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #94

Well.......how about a gown man...a hunter...a member of the NRA Tippy Jan 2013 #96

That train's never late! JoeyT Jan 2013 #102

Maybe it contributes to the mentality of how many in this country thinks... cynatnite Jan 2013 #106

no problem for most people, but the 2% that are sociopaths on psychoactive drugs with a bad reaction Follow The Money Jan 2013 #107

You are wrong. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #108

Yes, and a major part of my reason is a bit of history I read about WWI Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #111

I don't think the problem is the violent content... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #113

I suspect more use it as an outlet than as an instruction manual. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #115

I agree, but they are a symptom, not a root cause. Families are under assault from within and from patrice Jan 2013 #117

As has been pointed out, billh58 Jan 2013 #134

Cause and effect aren't perfectly polarised here. sibelian Jan 2013 #138

They can be PART of the problem, but only part. CBHagman Jan 2013 #141

Yes. nt XRubicon Jan 2013 #144