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1-Old-Man

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99. Good thinking

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:15 PM

Jan 2013

I think you've said it well. I'm not saying that it is the movies or TV that cause the killing. But the same thing that causes me to say that also causes me to say its not the guns that cause the killing either. Both add to the mix that causes the triggers to be pulled.

And in a sense radio-active walruses may be part of the cause too. I'm not saying that plain and simple mental illness, illusions and such, may not play a big part too. Who would deny that any mass killer, or serial killer either for that matter, isn't a very sick person? It just seems to me that modern culture as provided by the omnipresent media has to be way up there on the list of causal participants in the mess we have. I was thinking about this on the way back from the grocery store this morning too: You take a young persons who are feeling alienated from his (or her) peers, they have never traveled and for the most part do not read. Where do they get their perceptions of how society functions if not from the television and the movies? These people are not suspending disbelief, they believe.

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Do you think violent movies, TV, and video games contribute NOTHING to the carnage in this country? [View all] Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 OP

Your username caused me to poke somebody in the eye. LeftyMom Jan 2013 #1

awok awok awok! Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #2

I get it. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #29

Do they contribute to the carnage in Japan? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #3

Or Canada? (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #11

maybe they play different video games and watch different movies than us JI7 Jan 2013 #15

They don't. jeff47 Jan 2013 #19

Hell if anything, in Japan those movies are more violent. geomon666 Jan 2013 #40

Battle Royale comes to mind frylock Jan 2013 #135

Or Holland? Germany? The UK? Belgium? France? BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #54

The suicide rate in Japan is very high. Social conformity is expected>violence turned inwards KittyWampus Jan 2013 #70

Good response. Thread was ended quickly. LittleBlue Jan 2013 #132

that same media is available in other countries too 0rganism Jan 2013 #4

Yes Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #8

Your theory would require other countries to be similarly affected jeff47 Jan 2013 #20

Actually, there is violent crime Europe. In fact, it's quite high. I was just looking at statistics. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #87

Well then.. 99Forever Jan 2013 #39

so then the question becomes "Why is *this* country so damned different?" 0rganism Jan 2013 #130

Are violent movies, TV, and video games a cause or effect? Downwinder Jan 2013 #5

Violence is not an invention of film makers, video game makers, or comic book writers... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #6

I don't know, but crushing someone's head in a vice is HILARIOUS. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #7

A simple request before bedtime Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #9

Well if you want people to take you seriously Confusious Jan 2013 #10

I don't think so, no Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #12

Let's say, "Yes, violent movies, TV, and video games contribute to carnage in this country." justiceischeap Jan 2013 #13

we can then blame the mentally ill, and after that JI7 Jan 2013 #16

How many kids died in China because of that knife attack? justiceischeap Jan 2013 #24

even MORE frustrating is that apparently violent crime is acceptable if it doesn't involve guns. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #85

Not acceptable, just less fatal. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2013 #123

Considering that some European countries & Canada do have fairly high gun ownership rates KittyWampus Jan 2013 #93

I don't think, unless we lobotomize people, we are going to do away with violent crime justiceischeap Jan 2013 #136

You sound JUST like the Glenn Beck show! RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #14

You mean to tell me... loose wheel Jan 2013 #17

another angle Locrian Jan 2013 #18

No obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #21

Personally, yes Recursion Jan 2013 #22

Here is a sub-argument in defense of what you have said 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #23

Because only people in the US are hermits? jeff47 Jan 2013 #26

I don't know, but it might be. I am also think of that fellow who killed many last summer 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #45

No, we're not home to bloody media jeff47 Jan 2013 #53

Everything should be on the table. Otherwise, we are not serious about change. randome Jan 2013 #55

Then I want intergalactic radioactive walruses on the table. jeff47 Jan 2013 #76

No one is saying "It's violent media." randome Jan 2013 #79

Good thinking 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #99

Hell, even the Internet may have an influence. randome Jan 2013 #101

What drives suicidal mass shooters > researcher links suicide bombers/mass shooters. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #109

Do you realize this same argument was used against your generation? jeff47 Jan 2013 #127

Actually, you are jeff47 Jan 2013 #121

'Influence'. Not 'cause'. randome Jan 2013 #125

Actually, there's plenty of science that can do so jeff47 Jan 2013 #128

Michael Moore said the difference stems from Americans being more fearful. randome Jan 2013 #133

And I say it's from those walruses jeff47 Jan 2013 #139

I think Institutional Violence in the USA might be a factor too. Poverty for instance. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #105

You need to be specific in saying "gun violence" because Europe also has violent crimes like rape. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #104

Unless you're actually trying to argue about violent media jeff47 Jan 2013 #124

Mass shootings do happen in other countries. Proliferation of guns in the US points to need for gun KittyWampus Jan 2013 #103

Except in other countries they are exceptionally rare. jeff47 Jan 2013 #122

yes there is a personality type marions ghost Jan 2013 #69

Today people blame video games jeff47 Jan 2013 #25

We didn't have widely available torture porn in previous decades. randome Jan 2013 #33

And that argument has been used for decades. jeff47 Jan 2013 #48

Yeah, about that, might wanna look into the stuff that inspired the Comics Code. Posteritatis Jan 2013 #142

I blame a lot of it on the Scary Movie series... snooper2 Jan 2013 #27

I think they contribute so little it might as well be nothing NeedleCast Jan 2013 #28

pretty much Johonny Jan 2013 #35

I think that what video games provide is an aggression displacement outlet. At worst they condition ancianita Jan 2013 #30

Movies are made to watch. Guns are made to kill. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #31

Garbage in, garbage out... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #32

Complete lack of parenting does more damage, maybe irreperable damage Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #34

In fact, one of the reasons our movie industry is such low quality is pandering to overseas markets. Romulox Jan 2013 #36

Um to answer your question, No, but kydo Jan 2013 #37

If hate radio can influence us, then so can violent movies and videogames. randome Jan 2013 #38

no kydo Jan 2013 #41

Gaming is a way of life for many. That should be cause for concern right there. randome Jan 2013 #42

I'm not saying kydo Jan 2013 #46

Yeah, hate radio should be on the table as well. randome Jan 2013 #49

These things exist because there is a clear market for them. mn9driver Jan 2013 #43

Indeed LiberalEsque01 Jan 2013 #44

There is more violence in the Bible than a Tarantino movie jberryhill Jan 2013 #47

Not just MORE but also worse. Shadowflash Jan 2013 #80

They are a SYMPTOM of the problem, not a cause n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #50

I don't think anyone is saying they are a cause. randome Jan 2013 #52

I got that the OP was saying they were a cause. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #56

As serious as we should be about self-examination on this topic... randome Jan 2013 #59

Oh really? a neighbor's dog WAS an influence in mass murder RomneyLies Jan 2013 #62

The prevalence of opinion does not implicate dogs, however. randome Jan 2013 #66

Fallacy Ad Populum RomneyLies Jan 2013 #74

I don't agree. We need starting points. randome Jan 2013 #75

They're a symptom not a cause nt Report1212 Jan 2013 #51

I think they are most definitely a piece of the puzzle. Voice for Peace Jan 2013 #57

I think a very very tiny MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #58

I think internet bulletin boards and Fox News contribute more to the violence problem that gamess Sheepshank Jan 2013 #60

Then that should be on the table, as well. randome Jan 2013 #61

seems like there are politicians that like to provoke anger, paranoia and revenge Sheepshank Jan 2013 #63

They're selling crap that too many are buying into. randome Jan 2013 #67

Yes, I don't think they contribute a thing to carnage in this country WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #64

Then how do other nations deal with this crisis of yours? Rex Jan 2013 #65

They are not as fearful nor as hateful as Americans. randome Jan 2013 #71

I'm going with neuro toxins and neuro chemical imbalance. L0oniX Jan 2013 #68

I don't have to "think." The statistics do it for me. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #72

Yet DU'ers will constantly blame FOX News & Rush Limbaugh. HYPOCRITES. Either Media does have KittyWampus Jan 2013 #73

There is no hypocrisy. Most who listen to FOX aren't listening in the same context berni_mccoy Jan 2013 #77

Yes of course there is hypocrisy. Either it influences someone or it doesn't. Your need to try and KittyWampus Jan 2013 #81

You need to rationalize why you can't understand Zoeisright Jan 2013 #91

I picked my lane that is backed with science. That Media does influence our behavior, attitudes. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #100

All the science done on the effect of video games nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #110

Actually the science indicates that violent Media does effect us. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #116

I will pick a lane nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #118

there is quite a bit of noteworthy science that violent gaming impacts KittyWampus Jan 2013 #120

And all the reviews I have read is the science specifically nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #126

Your own bias is showing when you say anyone wants to 'ban' video games. randome Jan 2013 #129

Also, Fox and Rush tend to actually call for action Posteritatis Jan 2013 #143

False equivocate much? 99Forever Jan 2013 #78

The subject is Media and whether it influences behavior, is it not? Pick a lane. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #82

Nope, Delicate Flower... 99Forever Jan 2013 #131

I agree KittyWampus Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #84

They're fucking inciting violence. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #90

DU'ers blamed the tv show "24" for many believing torture works. As example #2. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #95

so why doesn't the rest of the world which also sees the same movies and video games Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #83

Well you see there are those that don't play violent video games, or watch violent films Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #86

As Michael Moore pointed out, Americans are more fearful and hateful. randome Jan 2013 #89

any analysis to back that up? Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #92

No proof. I also don't have proof that climate change is caused by Man. randome Jan 2013 #98

actually there are plenty of studies Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #112

generally speaking science is a better tool Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #114

Sure. randome Jan 2013 #119

DING DING DING! And he also used MEDIA examples of how we are conditioned. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #97

he has also pointed out that every shooting has involved SSRI's green for victory Jan 2013 #137

I sincerely hope that is on the table for Biden's task force, as well. randome Jan 2013 #140

There was MORE violence in the world BEFORE mass media Zoeisright Jan 2013 #88

I think anything violent can set off an unbalanced mind Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #94

Well.......how about a gown man...a hunter...a member of the NRA Tippy Jan 2013 #96

That train's never late! JoeyT Jan 2013 #102

Maybe it contributes to the mentality of how many in this country thinks... cynatnite Jan 2013 #106

no problem for most people, but the 2% that are sociopaths on psychoactive drugs with a bad reaction Follow The Money Jan 2013 #107

You are wrong. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #108

Yes, and a major part of my reason is a bit of history I read about WWI Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #111

I don't think the problem is the violent content... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #113

I suspect more use it as an outlet than as an instruction manual. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #115

I agree, but they are a symptom, not a root cause. Families are under assault from within and from patrice Jan 2013 #117

As has been pointed out, billh58 Jan 2013 #134

Cause and effect aren't perfectly polarised here. sibelian Jan 2013 #138

They can be PART of the problem, but only part. CBHagman Jan 2013 #141

Yes. nt XRubicon Jan 2013 #144