General Discussion

yardwork

(69,373 posts)

89. Slow down. Do we have a misunderstanding?

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:25 PM

Jan 2013

I was responding to your statement that "The false accusation of any crime is objectively worse than the actual crime." I thought that you meant that the false accusation of a crime was worse than what the actual victims of crime experience.

It sounds like I misunderstood. Are you saying that the victim of a false accusation suffers more than the false accuser? Of course that is true! I'm not disagreeing with that at all. If there is no crime, then the false accuser hasn't suffered anything. All the suffering is on the side of the person who is falsely accused. I agree that that is a terrible thing. People falsely accused of crimes, especially violent crimes, suffer all kinds of problems.

I hope that your buddies tell you take me off ignore long enough to read this response. I think that we had a misunderstanding, that's all.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

100 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

The saddest graph you�ll see today [View all] spanone Jan 2013 OP

Unbelievable. Marie Marie Jan 2013 #1

Of course it doesn't though. harmonicon Jan 2013 #37

If you have no idea how the group reached their conclusions, why are you so sure that they are wrong yardwork Jan 2013 #78

Read down the thread. harmonicon Jan 2013 #81

I see no data supporting your statement in this thread. yardwork Jan 2013 #83

That's sickening. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #2

Rape is a serious crime. That's good info. But its not that easy. aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #3

There are various problems with all of these. caseymoz Jan 2013 #54

Where to start as to why this is such a bad post. WCLinolVir Jan 2013 #67

If you are actually saying that women were threatened with PROSECUTION for reporting a rape- WCLinolVir Jan 2013 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author jimlup Jan 2013 #4

Your son is really lucky! I'm glad everything worked out okay. aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #6

you are correct. I know someone falsely accused and it cost them about tens time what it cost you Swagman Jan 2013 #44

And I can't believe the statistics cited. caseymoz Jan 2013 #51

I have no idea what the real figures are but I recall the dodgy US Attorney General claimed Swagman Jan 2013 #58

50,000 predators online caseymoz Jan 2013 #60

I'm always reluctant to get involved with these discussions but I think a false allegation is so Swagman Jan 2013 #12

Yes, you can have a reward system that generates more false reports. caseymoz Jan 2013 #15

Actually, the U.S. does have an awards program. nt aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #27

Which is? caseymoz Jan 2013 #29

Excuse me. I didn't know this was a competition of "esp" mind games. aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #35

All I did was ask you to elaborate. caseymoz Jan 2013 #38

not according to those who put it together as the update shows Swagman Jan 2013 #42

What's it? And what update? caseymoz Jan 2013 #47

Okay now I see, having read back further. caseymoz Jan 2013 #55

Excuse me but these are fatuous MRA talking points intaglio Jan 2013 #19

pleae provide your proof of Savile's activities (apart from tabloid tales) Swagman Jan 2013 #24

Try the known discarded police reports from the Met and Manchester and Liverpool intaglio Jan 2013 #36

Cosmo ? Wyman ? have to fo better than that. Swagman Jan 2013 #41

NO you have to stop being an MRA apologist intaglio Jan 2013 #52

what the fuck is the MRA and it is you spouting rubbish by weaving separate incidents Swagman Jan 2013 #57

Mens Rights Apologists - sorry, "Activists" intaglio Jan 2013 #65

Try this sensationalist report intaglio Jan 2013 #79

you might try reading this thread, before you defend this perverted bastard niyad Jan 2013 #92

Thank you. I do not understand people's wilful ignorance regarding rape. WCLinolVir Jan 2013 #75

ok...what does any of this have to do with the prevalence of rape? noiretextatique Jan 2013 #48

Rape is a disgusting crime. It is not sexual but violent IMO. dotymed Jan 2013 #22

a serious a problem as rape is dsc Jan 2013 #5

I was shocked when I saw it too. I'm glad I'm not alone. nt aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #7

It does raise questions Sherman A1 Jan 2013 #20

Which part IDoMath Jan 2013 #10

both though the scalar value with no comparision is easy to fix dsc Jan 2013 #21

+1 ellisonz Jan 2013 #72

Very disturbing statics Claybrains Jan 2013 #8

what would you do with the falsely accused? samsingh Jan 2013 #9

The Innocence Project has exonerated several with DNA evidence. Rozlee Jan 2013 #26

exactly. what about their lives? I've heard people say that there are so few that it's not samsingh Jan 2013 #40

this is what the more hysterical will say uniquely in sex assault cases : it is better for a few Swagman Jan 2013 #45

i don't agree with that approach. samsingh Jan 2013 #61

How can they present an accurate tally of rapes that aren't reported? Orrex Jan 2013 #11

true..the figures may be far higher or smaller Swagman Jan 2013 #13

It's from the Justice Department's caseymoz Jan 2013 #14

Thanks, but what I mean is... Orrex Jan 2013 #16

I can't work that one out either Swagman Jan 2013 #25

By following the links, you find this: caseymoz Jan 2013 #32

Interesting--thanks. Orrex Jan 2013 #33

The NCVS works by drawing a geographically stratified random sample of Americans Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #31

Amanda Marcotte criticized this info graphic for that reason + more alp227 Jan 2013 #39

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #17

False accusations are rare but . . . caseymoz Jan 2013 #18

I get that feeding an imperative and an agenda requires galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #23

Yet the "MRA" people obsess over the falsely accused. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #28

yes I suppose the falsely accused are obsessing as well. Swagman Jan 2013 #46

falsely accused, my ass noiretextatique Jan 2013 #49

how dare you accuse people of being rape apologists because they discuss false accusations Swagman Jan 2013 #59

how dare me? HOW DARE YOU! noiretextatique Jan 2013 #66

The false accusation of any crime is objectively worse than the actual crime. Occulus Jan 2013 #69

don't even mention false accusations as apparently that means Swagman Jan 2013 #74

How do you figure that? yardwork Jan 2013 #82

One of those things has lifetine legal and social consequences Occulus Jan 2013 #84

Are you saying that being raped doesn't have lifetime consequences? yardwork Jan 2013 #85

No. Occulus Jan 2013 #86

The falsely accused face worse than the victims of rape? That is crazy talk. yardwork Jan 2013 #87

Yes, in fact, they do. Occulus Jan 2013 #88

Slow down. Do we have a misunderstanding? yardwork Jan 2013 #89

I was going to agree on false convictions DevonRex Jan 2013 #90

no noiretextatique Jan 2013 #94

That's what I understood him to be saying. He's gone off in a huff now, putting me on ignore. yardwork Jan 2013 #99

likewise noiretextatique Jan 2013 #100

"had to have done something" YES! Happened on a jury closeupready Jan 2013 #95

I don't see anybody disagreeing with the fact that false accusations are a problem. yardwork Jan 2013 #97

Okay, I understand. closeupready Jan 2013 #98

so...false accusation of rape is more of a problem than actual rape? noiretextatique Jan 2013 #93

you are a false accuser Swagman Jan 2013 #73

While the "WRA" couldn't give a fuck about the falsely accused. EOTE Jan 2013 #63

My nieces' rapists' sentences were jokes. Rozlee Jan 2013 #30

My physically disabled friend's rapist got off scot free. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #50

I feel so sorry for her. Rozlee Jan 2013 #53

Sad but true xmas74 Jan 2013 #68

How monstrous. Rozlee Jan 2013 #77

what's "faced trial", shouldn't there be jailed, charged, reported, unreported? snooper2 Jan 2013 #34

A truly disturbing and sick graph billbailey19448jj Jan 2013 #43

Sad :( musical_soul Jan 2013 #56

This concocted illustration is racist TXDem72 Jan 2013 #62

And think of all those poor red Indians, the only ones to ever be convicted! Bucky Jan 2013 #64

K&R. So sad. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #70

I have an issue with the "falsely accused" section of the graphic. Glassunion Jan 2013 #71

Freaking wow!!! malaise Jan 2013 #80

This is horrible. sad-cafe Jan 2013 #91

kick Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #96