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NYC_SKP

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160. Merging the numbers inhibits the ability to find solutions to the underlying problems.

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:51 PM

Jan 2013

I can't believe I have to explain this, but knowledge is power, the details matter.

That our ratio of suicide to homicide is 2:1 is of HUGE concern to anyone sincere about finding solutions.

Of course to people who just want to make the numbers look super scary, it's best to hide those details.

I, for one, only recently learned that 2/3 of the deaths quoted over and over are NOT homicides!

Thus, I feel a lot less threatened by others, about 1/3 as threatened.

This truth would, naturally, concern anyone who wants to public to be super fearful of inanimate weapons.

Again, as I've written before, let's create a real AWB, require a national waiting period, and enforce and punish gun crime in a serious manner (for a change).

Let free the pot peddlers and petty thieves and put away people who use guns against others.

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The four most expensive words in the english language. [View all] galileoreloaded Jan 2013 OP

K/R and I'll bet your post has already been alerted upon. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1

I have ellisonz Jan 2013 #117

Lot's of people don't like being progressive on the 2A ileus Jan 2013 #133

Let's be calm, but let's stop lying... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #148

Suicides versus homicides: the distinction is of critical importance. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #149

No, it's not... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #150

Yes, it is. Lumping the numbers together incites more fear of assault. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #152

A bullet in your fucking skull is a bullet in your fucking skull... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #159

Merging the numbers inhibits the ability to find solutions to the underlying problems. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #160

Jesus Christ on a Cracker Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #161

Bad things like cancer, diabetes, HIV, and stroke all are looking for cures, as are gun deaths graham4anything Jan 2013 #2

Personally, I think eradicating gluten from our collective diet is more effective at saving galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #5

Who says its one or the other? I like not being able to buy 48 ounce sodas, myself graham4anything Jan 2013 #16

I think you should give up anything you want. I refer to public health policy. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #20

We live in a communal society now. We are no longer isolationists. One for all, all for one graham4anything Jan 2013 #39

We would save more lives by giving up red meat. dkf Jan 2013 #55

actually, that has never been proven. Someone killed by a gun/bullet though is a proven death. graham4anything Jan 2013 #59

Red meat is blamed for one in 10 early deaths dkf Jan 2013 #65

because people overdo it. BTW- 100% of all gun deaths are linked directly to a gun & bullet graham4anything Jan 2013 #74

You honestly think more people are affected by Guns than the bad effects of eating red meat? dkf Jan 2013 #103

To the best of my knowledge no one has ever murdered a classroom of first graders with a steak Fumesucker Jan 2013 #111

I'm beginning to wonder about that. dkf Jan 2013 #125

LOL. You ARE a hoot. meat = guns. hahahaha. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #119

No. Meat > guns in number of early deaths. dkf Jan 2013 #126

No actually I don't. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #128

Spoken like a true red meat lover! dkf Jan 2013 #168

Our 'favorite' RW troll really threw a doozy out there this time. nt stevenleser Jan 2013 #169

Pretty much! nt laundry_queen Jan 2013 #170

Consumption vs over-consumption are two different things. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #162

I'm going to come and take 15% of your pay each year and force you to invest it Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #151

What's your point? That the freedom to not have a nest egg and starve when you retire is great? nt stevenleser Jan 2013 #171

Quite the authoritarian thinking there graham4anything. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #36

If you have no insurance and get ill, then we are the ones who pay for it graham4anything Jan 2013 #41

Since I have insurance then,,, Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #45

not in a place regulated by the health department in NYC if its a regular soda graham4anything Jan 2013 #53

Okay you win. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #76

People who live thinking they need a gun to protect them,are in their own prison 24/7/365 graham4anything Jan 2013 #83

We should however, be allowed to practice medicine on any willing participant. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #163

I like having the choice to buy or not buy a 48 ounce soda Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #80

Not much evidence that gluten is as specifically lethal as you suggest Orrex Jan 2013 #146

to be clear, you ARE suggesting we ban guns altogether, right? crazyjoe Jan 2013 #8

No, just from the streets. Keep yours in your private home(just have a neon sign alerting others graham4anything Jan 2013 #23

And none of those have seen such steady and long term declines in mortality than guns. hack89 Jan 2013 #145

You think guns should only be "in the hands of federal/state/local law enforcement"?? Ghost in the Machine Jan 2013 #165

Wow ... So great you put this issue to rest ... Trajan Jan 2013 #3

I'm a giver. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #17

The U.S. suffers far more violent deaths than any other wealthy nation yardwork Jan 2013 #4

Go check out page 9 from the CDC link I posted. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #12

We all die of something. People die younger in the U.S. due to firearms. yardwork Jan 2013 #14

Phony analogy: easy availability of guns is a human-made disaster, and can be curbed/ended by apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #6

I posted government statistics on how people die. Homicide by firearm is 107th on the list. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #25

And then you proceeded to try to compare apples with oranges using those same statistics. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #27

er, ok. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #58

Uh, yeah, "ok," because that's precisely what you did in your OP. n/t. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #70

Just kicking the dead children into shallow graves is much cheaper... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #7

One other thing, professor: apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #9

Even more expensive words... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #10

Is this a joke? Robb Jan 2013 #11

Should'nt all ages be counted? galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #15

The ones that don't include causes of death typical of old age. Robb Jan 2013 #18

I pointed out that six year old victims of gun violence don't get to live long enough to experience yardwork Jan 2013 #19

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 BainsBane Jan 2013 #43

What a pathetic justification of the status quo.....and the gungeoneers pile on..... Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #13

"Let's go to war" Initech Jan 2013 #21

The four most horrible words in the English language Fumesucker Jan 2013 #22

+1,000,000 alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #38

Spot on. n/t GP6971 Jan 2013 #44

I have. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #67

I know GP6971 Jan 2013 #77

That makes the attitude you display in your OP even more difficult to understand Fumesucker Jan 2013 #82

You have to think of it like athiesm... galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #105

No I don't have to think of it like atheism Fumesucker Jan 2013 #107

This says it all. thucythucy Jan 2013 #155

"Gun deaths. Just God's will. Nothing can be done about them." Are you really that dumb? Squinch Jan 2013 #24

Who were you quoting? That sounds terribly insensitive. I posted facts. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #26

You cherry picked bullshit, and got caught. Robb Jan 2013 #29

Yep, I cherry picked a CDC report on all causes of death and posted the link. Caught me. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #60

It's all about fear. nt cbrer Jan 2013 #28

Yup. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #68

But it makes a great shiny object to keep the sheeple's attention while Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #30

more preschool children die from gunshots BainsBane Jan 2013 #31

I don't own a gun friend, but I don't like boogeymen either. Or bully's. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #64

bullies? BainsBane Jan 2013 #84

Yep, bullies. Well, internet bullies anyway. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #85

Your effort to hide behind statistics is pathetic BainsBane Jan 2013 #96

List of the 26 victims in CT. each killed by a gun and a bullet, including 20 children graham4anything Jan 2013 #32

Among causes of death by homicide on that list, what is the rank of homicide by firearms? klook Jan 2013 #33

Just as I said earlier; those who'll kill for guns just "think" SHIT HAPPENS. Thanks for the proof. patrice Jan 2013 #34

Expensive? BainsBane Jan 2013 #35

Any civil liberty that can galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #75

four most expensive words in the english language..... lunasun Jan 2013 #37

when you carry water for a multi-billion dollar corporate industry BainsBane Jan 2013 #40

Oh but your taxes and the gubermint costs =you will lose $$$ too lunasun Jan 2013 #56

I figured they were... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #42

Or "Hey, y'all -- watch this!" (n/t) klook Jan 2013 #52

"let's have some kids" JVS Jan 2013 #154

You aren't very persuasive. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #46

i'm not being persuasive in the least. Just plying statistics and suggesting fear galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #71

This isn't fear. It is cold resolve and determination Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #79

"Suggesting fear as a motivator?" Hissyspit Jan 2013 #88

Those numbers are pretty concerning. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #108

Stupid and boring game you're playing. Hissyspit Jan 2013 #112

Are you shitting? Fear is a great motivator! Look at all those asses jmg257 Jan 2013 #97

Yep, there's fear alright. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #120

OMG Skittles Jan 2013 #47

"Will you marry me" Fla_Democrat Jan 2013 #48

Touche. lol. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #57

Always nice to see people miss the damn point Scootaloo Jan 2013 #49

In this cultural wasteland? galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #69

What about suicides? hack89 Jan 2013 #147

4 most expensive words are "Should've Done Something Sooner". JaneyVee Jan 2013 #50

So if it was like in the top 5 would it warrant urgent action? grantcart Jan 2013 #51

I find it ironic and funny how you would work irrational fear into a pro-gun argument Major Nikon Jan 2013 #54

I made an anti-heart disease galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #66

Your point is a false dichotomy Major Nikon Jan 2013 #81

In 2009, homicide by firearm is the 107th leading cause of death. Thats what I posted. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #87

I realize you are making a transparent argument that has been debunked over and over Major Nikon Jan 2013 #90

Someone debunked the CDC report I linked? WTF are you talking about? galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #94

So the CDC says we shouldn't be worried about gun violence? Major Nikon Jan 2013 #100

430,000 lung cancer deaths from smoking. bobclark86 Jan 2013 #61

Yawn. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #121

Sometimes it is true treestar Jan 2013 #62

Well let me put it this way... Agschmid Jan 2013 #63

"We can't afford that".......nt Wounded Bear Jan 2013 #72

Another pro-gunner ignoring other data; pls also include # of accidental shootings, suicides, rapes okaawhatever Jan 2013 #73

lol. I'm not a pro gunner and I included a link to all 96 pages of the report. Nt galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #78

I think you need to explain your position and point a whole lot better than just posting... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #86

I have no point, nor agenda except one. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #91

I didn't see an answer to my question. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #95

I reject the frame of your question. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #99

How would you like me to frame it? Kalidurga Jan 2013 #104

Then it seems you're not interested in debate muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #127

This isn't a thread about guns, it's about heart disease Major Nikon Jan 2013 #92

Interesting Kalidurga Jan 2013 #101

Gun control is pretty cheap also Major Nikon Jan 2013 #106

Yep Kalidurga Jan 2013 #110

But you are a "pro gunner." Robb Jan 2013 #129

what's the global warming denier telling us now? CreekDog Jan 2013 #89

Thanks for the tip. The "reloaded" should have been a clue, even though galileo, it ain't. nt patrice Jan 2013 #93

Denier eh? Cool new label I haven't heard yet. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #98

I think I made my point, at least to myself. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #102

Yep. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #109

Valid? omfg laundry_queen Jan 2013 #122

No worries. Smilies are an apt medium... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #135

Oh my, the wit. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #137

No you didn't. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #115

Gun deaths and injuries are a PUBLIC HEALTH issue just like diseases are. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #113

That is my whole point as I posted in replies. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #130

What a fucking stupid post. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #114

Clearly they don't. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #123

Four most expensive: "We're having a baby!" Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Jan 2013 #157

Let us do what we can when we can. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #118

The 3 stupidest word in the English language intaglio Jan 2013 #124

Bullshit RW Libertarian talking points. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #131

Your genetic pre-disposition to certain diseases is EXACTLY like getting shot to death at age 7. Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #140

Where is the Unrec button? gollygee Jan 2013 #132

Or "Thank God It Passed." Robb Jan 2013 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #136

Thought this sounded regurgitated. Robb Jan 2013 #138

Ewwww gollygee Jan 2013 #139

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #142

Please, proceed. Robb Jan 2013 #143

Busted! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #144

It's all over except for the inevitable self delete. Robb Jan 2013 #153

That's one of the stupider lines of reasoning I've heard bhikkhu Jan 2013 #141

Oh, I thought it was "I want a divorce" Taverner Jan 2013 #156

"Speak to my attorney." thucythucy Jan 2013 #158

The renewed dialog on firearms in the US has a lot of people scared LanternWaste Jan 2013 #164

followed closely by "You can trust me" sad-cafe Jan 2013 #166

Some good points here... PurpleEngineer Jan 2013 #167

The four most easily said words ever by people with an agenda. Rex Jan 2013 #172