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WolverineDG

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Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:11 PM

Jan 2013

how about appreciating the historical & cultural significance of this hymn?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_Hymn_of_the_Republic#Cultural_Influences

The lyrics of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" appear in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s sermons and speeches, most notably in his speech "How Long, Not Long" from the steps of the Alabama State Capitol building on March 25, 1965 after the 3rd Selma March, and in his final sermon "I've Been to the Mountaintop", delivered in Memphis, Tennessee on the evening of April 3, 1968, the night before his assassination. In fact, the latter sermon, King's last public words, ends with the first lyrics of the "Battle Hymn", "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord."

Since this is MLK's actual birthday, I find the inclusion of this hymn to be especially significant.

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I changed the channel when Battle Hymn of the Republic started [View all] MotherPetrie Jan 2013 OP

good samsingh Jan 2013 #1

I'm not real religious anymore either, BUT those choir members sang their a$$e$ off! TheDebbieDee Jan 2013 #255

Cool story. Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #2

Thanks for sharing. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #3

Then you missed something spectacular. lonestarnot Jan 2013 #4

As a non-Christian, I only missed feeling marginalized. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #11

I've been an atheist for over 40 years. MineralMan Jan 2013 #130

+1 dmr Jan 2013 #235

I'm also an atheist, but I teared up. trof Jan 2013 #270

Amazing Grace is fine, but ashling Jan 2013 #316

Maybe it's an an aquired taste? trof Jan 2013 #325

well said, Mr. MM. Perfect. Whisp Jan 2013 #276

Its too bad that other people's beliefs offend you so much rbixby Jan 2013 #149

Christians are blind and deaf to this Warpy Jan 2013 #214

+1000 politicat Jan 2013 #241

No, the original reply that spawned this sub was intentionally offensive. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #269

Sure, spectacular pandering. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #12

The assumption that everyone believes in God is not "spectacular." forestpath Jan 2013 #42

I agree. Swamp Lover Jan 2013 #252

The battle hymn is not a religious piece of music nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #5

The hell it isn't MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #15

"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord!" cleanhippie Jan 2013 #16

Have you read the words lately? Brickbat Jan 2013 #43

Bullshit. forestpath Jan 2013 #45

It's an abolition tune WolverineDG Jan 2013 #74

Some reports say the tune came from camp meetings, and then was sung as "John Brown's Body." Brickbat Jan 2013 #82

Since the majority of abolitionists were Christians WolverineDG Jan 2013 #105

Which doesn't change the fact that they're religious. Brickbat Jan 2013 #129

Still that in the UK dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #254

Exactly. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #106

"In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea" Occulus Jan 2013 #101

An abolitionist tune nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #109

I knew that very well. Having performed it myself numerous times, I probably am more aware of that Occulus Jan 2013 #140

Not gona re type this nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #148

Well, it does have a smack of "end times" fervor... cynatnite Jan 2013 #133

Patriotic nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #143

I'm not crazy about the song, but based on your points... cynatnite Jan 2013 #150

You welcome. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #158

Want some cheese with that whine? Nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #6

I want LESS Chees-us MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #18

lol. The battle hymn was short, then they got back to business. but oath was on big bible Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #246

Yeah, fuck anyone who doesn't believe, right? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #77

No, just those who wallow in victim hood geek tragedy Jan 2013 #159

Think harder Occulus Jan 2013 #212

The Battle Hymn is an anti-slavery song. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #244

Apparently we Atheists are not allowed to enjoy religious music. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #321

why don't you save your ire for something that actually matters, like state funding to religious HiPointDem Jan 2013 #258

i don't believe in God and i find the OP stupid, reminds me of wingnuts crying about spanish JI7 Jan 2013 #278

How petty..... llmart Jan 2013 #7

I feel sorry for you that you can't understand that religion, and a specific religion, Christianity, HERVEPA Jan 2013 #65

Then you'll have to feel sorry for our President too.... llmart Jan 2013 #100

The inauguration is for everyone, not just the majority HERVEPA Jan 2013 #108

What a silly argument.... llmart Jan 2013 #110

I feel sorry for you... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #115

I DO feel sorry for him. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #112

Did you feel sorry for gay people when they complained about Rick Warren last time? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #249

I stopped reading your post when I saw your Rudolph avatar FSogol Jan 2013 #8

On radio it CalFresh Jan 2013 #9

Are you serious? bama_blue_dot Jan 2013 #182

The Teabaggers wouldn't be singing an ABOLITIONIST song. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #323

You showed them Renew Deal Jan 2013 #10

Feel better? Politicub Jan 2013 #13

No shortage of bankers lackeys up there either RedstDem Jan 2013 #14

You missed a beautiful solo. n/t ChazII Jan 2013 #17

Good MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #23

But you were fine with the opening benediction? Mrs. Overall Jan 2013 #19

No, I wasn't fine with it. But Battle Hymn of the Republic pushed me over the edge. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #31

Obama is taking his oath right now--thank goodness you have tuned out!! Mrs. Overall Jan 2013 #35

I already saw his oath yesterday MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #44

But he took his oath on a Bible yesterday--fuming about that? Mrs. Overall Jan 2013 #50

OK. Do what you want. MineralMan Jan 2013 #20

It was beautiful. NOLALady Jan 2013 #21

you missed out then sad-cafe Jan 2013 #22

Too bad. It was a beautiful performance; the soloist had a gorgeous voice. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #24

I thought so too. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #27

Very pretty, too. Aristus Jan 2013 #30

I'm sure it would have been fine -- IN A CHRISTIAN CHURCH MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #38

I'm not a believer, either. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #61

Yup. I've been an atheist since 1965. But I've performed all manner MineralMan Jan 2013 #137

Judy Garland gave a rendition of the song in honor of JFK duffyduff Jan 2013 #302

why ? non christians and atheists like myself enjoy listening to it also JI7 Jan 2013 #292

NPR thought is was so beautiful No Vested Interest Jan 2013 #247

Too bad, you missed an Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #25

Good grief. HappyMe Jan 2013 #26

+1000 narnian60 Jan 2013 #62

100% agree with you Siwsan Jan 2013 #83

*!* In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #28

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #29

+1. It's a performance, almost art. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #33

Exactly, tons of classical music treestar Jan 2013 #48

And I'll bet you would have stood up and cheered had Bush included this in his inaugurations MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #49

I did not watch the Bush unauguration. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #55

Not when I am NOT Christian and this is supposed to be MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #34

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #46

Those with religious privilege are loathe to recognize that fact... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #104

Who says? WinkyDink Jan 2013 #163

The fact that it was chosen to be part of this was political... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #99

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #102

The only "performance" is going on in this thread ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #192

And might those be "the Grapes of Wrath"? thucythucy Jan 2013 #195

That's what the remote is for. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #32

many associate it with Lincoln OKNancy Jan 2013 #36

Inaugurations, coronations... whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #37

Dictators don't have inaugurations.... Historic NY Jan 2013 #76

I feel the exact same way. Sick of this religious stuff - this shouldn't feel like a forestpath Jan 2013 #39

There is no functional utility to an inauguration ceremony jberryhill Jan 2013 #52

Apparently you don't understand that it excludes a lot of people. forestpath Jan 2013 #64

No, it doesn't exclude anyone jberryhill Jan 2013 #90

You can't rationalize it with all your words and insults. It excludes people. forestpath Jan 2013 #94

Damn those pesky facts, *I* didn't get my pony! name not needed Jan 2013 #124

Christians can only seem to insult, why is that? forestpath Jan 2013 #134

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #142

I didn't call you a Christian. And I am not intimidated by your rage and threats. forestpath Jan 2013 #152

You sound like Sarah Palin right now ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #194

Yeah, sure. JoeyT Jan 2013 #314

Sorry, sir.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #319

It excludes many. Igel Jan 2013 #157

Oh, he knows, he just doesn't care. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #127

the role of ritual in human society arely staircase Jan 2013 #261

Having sung in various choirs... jberryhill Jan 2013 #264

It's a historically significant song jberryhill Jan 2013 #40

I think it's OK treestar Jan 2013 #41

"So help me God"? Swearing in on a Bible? panader0 Jan 2013 #47

Where did I mention those? Nowhere. YOU did. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #54

I mention them because they are a part of the inauguration panader0 Jan 2013 #71

Nice try. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #114

Actually, they aren't. jeff47 Jan 2013 #164

Yes, those two should also be removed jeff47 Jan 2013 #162

I can appreciate your sentiments but find it rude to try to bring others down. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #51

Too fucking bad MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #57

Have you ever heard of Dale Carnegie? nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #63

My hero. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #79

Martin Luther King Jr. must have really irritated you jberryhill Jan 2013 #118

I cannot find the words chillfactor Jan 2013 #205

Wow. So we have to keep quiet so we don't make others feel bad? forestpath Jan 2013 #69

I think the OP was rude and counter productive to the argument rhett o rick Jan 2013 #197

And I think much of the response was so ugly and insulting that no discussion would ever forestpath Jan 2013 #202

Exactly. That's why I thought it wasnt an appropriate time to bring rhett o rick Jan 2013 #203

Yes, that chap marching in the street around Selma was just so disruptive jeff47 Jan 2013 #210

Huh? Are you trying to equate the OP with the Civil Rights struggle? Good grief. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #216

You couldn't figure it out from the post? jeff47 Jan 2013 #253

I absolutely agree with you. My only complaint was that I dont think it rhett o rick Jan 2013 #257

You get in a fight when it happens. jeff47 Jan 2013 #262

Guess what? The Civil Rights leaders were MINISTERS. Get over yourself. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #299

Relevance? jeff47 Jan 2013 #309

Yeah, the seats at the back of the bus still get to the same destination, right? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #165

Are you trying to be cute and support the OP? If so, do you support the rhett o rick Jan 2013 #201

The ceremony should be secular jeff47 Jan 2013 #204

I think you broke the record for most logical fallacies in one post. Go bother someone rhett o rick Jan 2013 #217

Just like those pesky gays getting upset about Rick Warren, right? jeff47 Jan 2013 #250

You lost me at hello. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #265

Because you think I'm talking about you? jeff47 Jan 2013 #267

Rick Warren is a Gay Basher who wants Gays to be killed, how the fuck is JI7 Jan 2013 #280

It's comparable because people told gays to shut up or it wasn't the time. jeff47 Jan 2013 #285

context Matters , complaining about someone who wants to kill gays is not the same to me JI7 Jan 2013 #288

There is a significant difference davidthegnome Jan 2013 #218

It's just words? jeff47 Jan 2013 #242

your comparisons are pathetic, comparing saying the N word to someone mentioning God JI7 Jan 2013 #282

They're just words. According to you, that means they're just fine. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #283

one is hate speech, just mentioning God in itself is not hateful, that was the problem with Rick JI7 Jan 2013 #284

Yet they're still just words. jeff47 Jan 2013 #287

you are the one saying it's just words because you lost the argument JI7 Jan 2013 #289

No, I'm referring to everyone else in this thread jeff47 Jan 2013 #293

depends on the context, if a woman used "shut up woman" against a friend JI7 Jan 2013 #294

So you're unable to read anything else in this thread? jeff47 Jan 2013 #295

equivalent to what ? how about the Poet saying Namaste ? JI7 Jan 2013 #298

I'm an agnostic from northern Maine davidthegnome Jan 2013 #304

And few passing mentions would get a similar response from me. jeff47 Jan 2013 #310

I agree in principle davidthegnome Jan 2013 #311

And you complained about past Inaugurals where, exactly? WinkyDink Jan 2013 #297

Please look up the history of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. janx Jan 2013 #53

+1 Mrs. Overall Jan 2013 #56

I know its history -- I still find it utterly inappropriate and exclusionary MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #59

It is a metaphor treestar Jan 2013 #72

The melody originally supplied a song celebrating the life and death coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #75

Yes indeed. And interestingly, there were TWO John Browns. janx Jan 2013 #125

Your post is one reason my long-running love (hate) affair with DU continues coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #131

. . . janx Jan 2013 #169

Interesting story. Thanks for posting. (In elementary school we were taught that the 1monster Jan 2013 #170

Maybe your teachers didn't want to get graphic... janx Jan 2013 #209

The line "He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored" always coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #272

Nathaniel Bacon is upset at being overlooked. historylovr Jan 2013 #306

From one secular being to another: Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #58

You can sit down and shut up if you want. I'm not that obedient. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #66

If you are offended, it is your right to turn it off and I do not fault you for that at all. However 1monster Jan 2013 #190

whatever your thoughts about the Carolina Jan 2013 #60

Whatevs. tallahasseedem Jan 2013 #67

It was written during the civil war, and like it or not it is part of the history of this country. still_one Jan 2013 #68

So I guess that today is meaningless to you? greatauntoftriplets Jan 2013 #70

That's pretty nasty. You think Dr. King's christianity is what made him great? Walk away Jan 2013 #84

It's funny how nasty so-called Christians get when you dare to forestpath Jan 2013 #87

It never ceases to amaze me how often DUer's put extra words in my mouth MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #111

I didn't. I am an atheist and I love that song. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #73

+1 a la izquierda Jan 2013 #85

+1 apparently you are not an absolutist, which would, of course, mean that you are God. patrice Jan 2013 #155

But...you're saying I don't believe in myself?! NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #167

Some poets say you are a song & you don't have to believe in music to hear it. patrice Jan 2013 #176

Ditto that. I am an atheist, but I always like that song. n/t RebelOne Jan 2013 #189

When Chuck Schumer introduced it I thought that was weird. It's a Jesus song... Walk away Jan 2013 #78

Oy vey. a la izquierda Jan 2013 #80

I agree! narnian60 Jan 2013 #89

+1 tallahasseedem Jan 2013 #107

Agreed! Lilyeye Jan 2013 #230

FFS malaise Jan 2013 #81

Ditto n/t Bjornsdotter Jan 2013 #91

Yep! a la izquierda Jan 2013 #92

Geez malaise Jan 2013 #96

You showed them. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #86

I hit the mute too - LiberalElite Jan 2013 #88

Too bad you missed out, it's a beautiful song and it was done beautifully. A shame that you're so Raine Jan 2013 #93

Let's see WolverineDG Jan 2013 #95

They're really playing up the Emancipation Proclamation/MLK/African American President synergy deutsey Jan 2013 #97

As you should have! Puglover Jan 2013 #98

Yeah boy people sure are touchy LiberalElite Jan 2013 #113

And thanks for playing MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY! Puglover Jan 2013 #146

One in every crowd. AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #103

I 'll alert the media arely staircase Jan 2013 #116

The President is a Christian. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #117

And yet your Constitution is not a Christian document. Quite the reverse as I understand it. mr blur Jan 2013 #222

Not sure what that has to do with anything stated. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #224

Where do you live? WinkyDink Jan 2013 #300

Lighten up, Francis. name not needed Jan 2013 #119

As an atheist geomon666 Jan 2013 #120

Agreed! llmart Jan 2013 #122

On this board, you could have a fulltime job... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #191

They can't pay me enough for that. geomon666 Jan 2013 #263

I always pegged that as Union Civil War Era Nostalgia Taverner Jan 2013 #121

Sure... a Christian Abolitionist. How awful. Hekate Jan 2013 #123

Now the god damn Benidiction Coyotl Jan 2013 #126

Too bad. It was the best musical performance proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #128

it is all metaphor and even many "religious" people see it that way Hamlette Jan 2013 #132

... SidDithers Jan 2013 #135

Missed a beautiful rendition, then union_maid Jan 2013 #136

You know, every once in a while I wonder if I should declare myself an athiest. bklyncowgirl Jan 2013 #138

+1 LP2K12 Jan 2013 #144

Yep. name not needed Jan 2013 #147

You got that right. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #154

So could you please list what insults are sufficient to mention? jeff47 Jan 2013 #206

People expressing their 1st amendment right to religious expression is not an occasion for outrage bklyncowgirl Jan 2013 #229

Yes, it's only people talking, it's not like 70% of the public wouldn't vote for an atheist jeff47 Jan 2013 #237

You did the right thing. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #139

Well, that's your loss. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #141

*shrug* MadrasT Jan 2013 #145

We gonna get rid of all religious music? union_maid Jan 2013 #151

Then I presume RudynJack Jan 2013 #153

Just for you... SidDithers Jan 2013 #156

As an atheist Laochtine Jan 2013 #160

OMG, so many posts from people who must have just arrived in the U.S.! Welcome, immigrants! WinkyDink Jan 2013 #161

Oh, please. cordelia Jan 2013 #166

Fox News must agree with you obietiger Jan 2013 #168

This thread is rather ironic coming on MLK Day - lynne Jan 2013 #171

Imagine the full metal jacket hissy fit that would have been pitched Fumesucker Jan 2013 #172

Richard Blanco made all of those connections. Sky figured prominently in what he said. nt patrice Jan 2013 #273

So an abolition song rooted in religion makes you feel excluded, but you're fine with Rudolph? n/t hughee99 Jan 2013 #173

lol! HappyMe Jan 2013 #177

Great song for today. CalFresh Jan 2013 #174

Prefer "Dixie" Do You? jberryhill Jan 2013 #175

What a weird and ridiculous retort. Silent3 Jan 2013 #180

It's not religious, so it must be more inclusionary jberryhill Jan 2013 #181

So the idea of dropping both religious and racist at the same time... Silent3 Jan 2013 #186

Yeah, we can airbrush all of history jberryhill Jan 2013 #193

Maybe if it was a rare religious touch... Silent3 Jan 2013 #219

"those who hold a privileged position" jberryhill Jan 2013 #239

There's more than one kind of privilege... Silent3 Jan 2013 #248

On MLK day.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #196

Yeah, it's too soon. We need to wait to do anything. jeff47 Jan 2013 #208

No, I get it.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #223

No, it's just never a good time to start supporting minorities. jeff47 Jan 2013 #238

You don't know much about Julia Ward Howe, do you? jberryhill Jan 2013 #240

You don't realize this isn't about one song, do you? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #243

It's most convenient to pretend it's only about the one song. n/t Silent3 Jan 2013 #313

Made me laugh!! DevonRex Jan 2013 #211

I was thinking about "Old Folks at Home." MineralMan Jan 2013 #215

That appears pretty narrow minded to me. nt patrice Jan 2013 #178

Oh brother zappaman Jan 2013 #179

It's just a song. RoverSuswade Jan 2013 #183

When a friend dies, do you boycott the funeral if it is religious? Stinky The Clown Jan 2013 #184

Be honest ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #185

Why were you watching at all? Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #187

So thrilled you had to inform everyone. abbeyco Jan 2013 #188

I'm just surprised you turned on the tv mokawanis Jan 2013 #198

At least they're not singing "Dixie." thucythucy Jan 2013 #199

Got a telephone? 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #200

I imagine that sooner or later, we'll evolve to the point in which any song sung, poem read... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #207

great cultural/anthropological retort to the OP and general observation arely staircase Jan 2013 #221

Alrighty then workinclasszero Jan 2013 #213

So you never go to the opera or art museums, I take it? You DevonRex Jan 2013 #220

Good. You didn't deserve to hear that heart-wrenchingly beautiful rendition. Phx_Dem Jan 2013 #225

It was beautiful. And I appreciated the wartime version of the lyrics (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #226

Thank goodness they didn't read the Emancipation Proclamation out loud onenote Jan 2013 #227

I think it is one thing to object to the prayers dsc Jan 2013 #228

You have to think of it in context with the Civil War CanonRay Jan 2013 #231

You have more than one channel? Robb Jan 2013 #232

That's the history of our country. That's our tradition. I like it. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #233

And you couldn't wait to share your pettiness on DU. Lovely. Phx_Dem Jan 2013 #234

To paraphrase an old saying . . . Brigid Jan 2013 #236

"Turned it off and tuned out." No Vested Interest Jan 2013 #245

Real tolerant. Swamp Lover Jan 2013 #251

I clicked down to the bottom, because juajen Jan 2013 #256

As one of "no Faith," in either the imaginary or even you fine people... That was one of ScreamingMeemie Jan 2013 #259

Thank you..... llmart Jan 2013 #268

This a new level of stupid trival, whining SpartanDem Jan 2013 #260

Everyone in this thread should read this article & decide what's going on with certain kinds of OPs. patrice Jan 2013 #266

Oh, I think I know "what's going on." So much....CONCERN, you see. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #301

Like we're a bunch of babies whose brains are so easily re-programmed, we need NANNIES to tell us patrice Jan 2013 #305

They skipped the part about glory to old Georgia and to hell with GATech aikoaiko Jan 2013 #271

good. who needs miserable people on this glorious day. Whisp Jan 2013 #274

I'm an Atheist and i enjoyed it, i enjoy listening to Catholic, buddhist, Hindu etc JI7 Jan 2013 #275

Union won the war. Get over it. tabasco Jan 2013 #277

Did you get Offended by that Poet Saying "Namaste" ? JI7 Jan 2013 #279

I always found gospel inspiring. And I am Buddhist if anything. bluerum Jan 2013 #281

Churck Schumer is Jewish, i wonder if he was offended and felt left out JI7 Jan 2013 #286

Sure, you wonder. Did he SEEM like he was offended?? Good grief. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #296

How silly. demosincebirth Jan 2013 #290

Excellent! That's why there are so many channels Doctor_J Jan 2013 #291

How Foolish louis c Jan 2013 #303

Interesting how the OP GP6971 Jan 2013 #307

I do believe the Battle Hymn was written during the Civil War... WCGreen Jan 2013 #308

Martin Luther King Jr.'s Final Words in his Final Speech alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #312

Probably a coincidence Doctor_J Jan 2013 #317

Where's General William Tecumseh Sherman when you need him? Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #315

You must hate that free exercise clause... Festivito Jan 2013 #318

I'm an Atheist and love the Battle Hymn of The Republic. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #320

Wevs. nt Chorophyll Jan 2013 #322

Well, please don't watch the University of Georgia play sports on TV Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #324