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beevul

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147. Thats a very good question.

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:37 AM

Feb 2013

Upthread is was stated correctly that there are several types of defensive uses of firearms:

"A subset of that is uses where a round is chambered"

Do you think the media is aware of, and reports them all?

A subset of that is uses where a round is fired

Do you think the media is aware of, and reports them all?

A subset of that is uses where the round hits a person

Do you think the media is aware of, and reports them all?

A subset of that is uses where the person hit dies

Do you think the media is aware of, and reports them all?

What you "can find" and what actually happens, where less than sensational news is concerned, are two distinctly different things, is the point.

Do you think that which isn't reported doesn't happen?

Doj estimates a great many defensive gun uses, and even if they're exagerated by a factor of ten, thats still far many more than media reports.

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Why I keep guns in my home. [View all] Whovian Feb 2013 OP

She must be angry with her family, friends and acquaintances and down on herself. bluestateguy Feb 2013 #1

That's apparently very common among Delicate flowers. 99Forever Feb 2013 #2

Hahahaha! nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #67

Why is the comparison always with "killing an intruder"? Recursion Feb 2013 #3

Actually that is true. A confrontation on the street is more likely. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #6

It was the "killing" bit I don't get Recursion Feb 2013 #7

All true. Deep13 Feb 2013 #16

This happened in my family. My cousin killed his girlfriend by accident with a gun. Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #157

grandson RILib Feb 2013 #192

"2. handguns are all "underpowered" for stopping purposes" Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #188

"Killing" plays better sarisataka Feb 2013 #20

Enlighten me, please. What other Ralphie situations come to mind? Whovian Feb 2013 #10

You're joking, right? Recursion Feb 2013 #13

You are kidding, right? Cosmocat Feb 2013 #153

Thank you. klook Feb 2013 #168

Fantasy is your perspective on gun owners... PerpetuallyDazed Feb 2013 #179

huh Cosmocat Feb 2013 #206

or even defensive use arely staircase Feb 2013 #64

The comparision is sound because it is being compared to killing of someone living in the home. morningfog Feb 2013 #118

No Recursion Feb 2013 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author SunSeeker Feb 2013 #138

Make your own. This one is true and says morningfog Feb 2013 #173

The purpose of the gun is not to kill an intruder but to save the life of someone in the family Recursion Feb 2013 #174

Yet when we are trained it is "shoot to kill"... not maim, slow down, ect... PerpetuallyDazed Feb 2013 #184

I remember being trained to "shoot center mass" Recursion Feb 2013 #186

Actually I was trained Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #193

I disagree with you on what numbers matter. morningfog Feb 2013 #212

The reason is that the picture depicts... reACTIONary Feb 2013 #198

Suppose she has to defend herself against 3, 4 or 5 violent criminal... Deep13 Feb 2013 #4

Or a zombie apocalypse? Whovian Feb 2013 #14

Well, that's a whole different story. Deep13 Feb 2013 #18

Damn it. Now i want to buy bullets, and I don't even own a gun. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #68

Thats why I keep an ice ax on the wall next to my bed. No need to reload. Bosso 63 Feb 2013 #163

When those.. raidert05 Feb 2013 #83

So, are you intentionally quoting that congresswoman from last week? Iris Feb 2013 #90

She was a Congresswoman?! Deep13 Feb 2013 #95

I honestly don't know for sure. Iris Feb 2013 #96

At this point we can't tell the Onion from what passes for real news. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #101

How often does that actually happen? Dash87 Feb 2013 #94

Well the testimony wasn't to justify CCW... Deep13 Feb 2013 #99

Those things are huge too. Dash87 Feb 2013 #105

They are normalized for a lot of gun enthusiasts. Deep13 Feb 2013 #116

I'm a 63 year old woman... vduhr Feb 2013 #204

This is the argument my RW brother uses except Ineeda Feb 2013 #148

Watch that laughing / mocking if he is paranoid and has a gun lunasun Feb 2013 #176

True. Laughable arguments need to be laughed at. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #189

Grizzly bear spray is far more effective I hear and will cover Cleita Feb 2013 #171

It can be, but indoors one is also spraying herself... Deep13 Feb 2013 #190

So how will a gun protect her from another gun? Cleita Feb 2013 #191

It evens the odds... Deep13 Feb 2013 #195

I'm sorry I'm even engaged in this conversation. Cleita Feb 2013 #196

Generally agree about the need for public safety. Deep13 Feb 2013 #197

This thread is a yawn-fest. Try harder. You did better yesterday... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #5

It's early, yet. nt pintobean Feb 2013 #8

Yep. nick of time Feb 2013 #9

God forbid anyone post anything anti gun. Whovian Feb 2013 #11

Yeah, that NEVER happens at DU, does it, you one-trick pony? 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #21

One trick pony????? I can do this cool thing with my eyelids! Whovian Feb 2013 #108

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #120

Oy. Well that explains why we're hip deep in gun trolls. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #139

Yep. MessiahRp Feb 2013 #140

It's weird, I used to get on juries almost evey time I logged on, but now, never. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #141

Same here. I actually know some trolls with 127 posts that have been on more juries than I have. MessiahRp Feb 2013 #143

I get jury invites on individual posts Recursion Feb 2013 #144

God forbid that you try to be part of the solution nick of time Feb 2013 #27

I know -- I didn't even make any popcorn for this one obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #65

I totally agree HockeyMom Feb 2013 #12

Successful self-defense does not require killing an intruder. krispos42 Feb 2013 #15

Sorry, I see this a really stretching post to quantify your position. Whovian Feb 2013 #19

The fact that you keep saying that doesn't make it true Recursion Feb 2013 #22

Right. You wave a gun and the perp runs away. Got it. Whovian Feb 2013 #24

Well, in fact, that does happen Recursion Feb 2013 #25

Okay, that's just nuts. Whovian Feb 2013 #29

Well, no, I've actually seen a crime stopped by a brandished weapon Recursion Feb 2013 #30

Brandishing a gun is safeinOhio Feb 2013 #39

This was a rent-a-cop who drew on two teenagers beating the crap out of an old man Recursion Feb 2013 #40

So this was a trained person. Most people in this country are not. Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #158

Umm... no. This was a rent-a-cop Recursion Feb 2013 #161

Having a dog is a good common sense alternative to having a gun. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #47

A dog is an INFINITELY better deterent Cosmocat Feb 2013 #175

Until a criminal takes a crowbar to the dog's head hack89 Feb 2013 #200

except Cosmocat Feb 2013 #207

Lets hope the sainted firearm does not belong to the criminal hack89 Feb 2013 #208

WTF are you talking about? Cosmocat Feb 2013 #220

Here are some media reports of brandishing that prevented crimes *IN THE PAST 3 MONTHS* Recursion Feb 2013 #37

Nine whole stories in 3 months? Wow. Robb Feb 2013 #50

Nine that were covered by media. Do you think the media covers them all? N/T beevul Feb 2013 #102

How underreported are these events? Robb Feb 2013 #106

Look upthread. The claim was it NEVER happens. Recursion Feb 2013 #109

A guy fell 39 stories and lived, too. Robb Feb 2013 #113

Thats a very good question. beevul Feb 2013 #147

So on your planet, for every kid verifiably shot, 40 people rack their shotguns unheralded? Robb Feb 2013 #156

If i take that position, I'll let you know. beevul Feb 2013 #215

Yea and how many people are dead from the firing of these guns in the last 3 months? Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #159

The claim was brandishing never stops a crime Recursion Feb 2013 #162

In my family handguns stopped two attacks and no one was injured or killed. ... spin Feb 2013 #41

I understand. Once I held off troops of Russian and Cuban Commies Whovian Feb 2013 #44

. the devil Feb 2013 #52

While these are only anecdotal tales they actually did happen. ... spin Feb 2013 #59

Tell that to my friend who stopped a robbery in progress at the convenience store where he worked. LAGC Feb 2013 #152

You're kidding, right? kurtzapril4 Feb 2013 #167

No, I'm not. Whovian Feb 2013 #170

Neither do I. kurtzapril4 Feb 2013 #172

Repeating that bullshit ad nauseam... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #74

You were replying to a post that I don't believe I have typed before. Whovian Feb 2013 #89

Didn't claim you had. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #107

So you are saying that anything that detracts from the beauty of guns is bullshit? Whovian Feb 2013 #110

Nice strawman. Does it keep the birds away from your garden? Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #111

Strawman? I made no argument I asked a question. Whovian Feb 2013 #112

You posited me saying something that cannot be (rationally) inferred from my actual statements. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #114

What universe are you living in? The entire thread is up for all to see that I posited nothing Whovian Feb 2013 #115

I think our friend Lizzie might need anger management help. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #123

At least. Whovian Feb 2013 #125

And such a transparency page for our friend Lizzie! Highlights: apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #130

Tsk, tsk. Look who just keeps hazzing the sadz... apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #117

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #119

There, there. It ain't as bad as all that, is it? apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #121

You don't even know how this bit of banter is making you and your cause look. Whovian Feb 2013 #122

Much anger in the young man - just the kind of specimen we need toting a pistol around, eh? apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #126

You're as wrong in your silly attempt as psychoanalysis... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #128

There, there. It's going to be alright, sir, I can assure you. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #131

*UPDATE*: add another Angry-gram to the 'ole Transparency Page: apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #136

How many of these can people get before they are asked to leave? Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #160

That gives her 6 hides in the last 90 days, or exactly half as many as the OP. 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #177

Do you has a sad pintobean Feb 2013 #221

That's nice. n/t. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #222

"I think we're done here" - Or not. *UPDATE* - we ARE done here. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #133

"In the evening; gettin' angry; ain't we got fun?" And the transparency page to prove it! apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #135

Just as this one does. nick of time Feb 2013 #178

BWAHAHAHAHA! I'm amazed it lasted as long as it did. 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #209

Yep. nick of time Feb 2013 #210

Just as these, errrr, ummmm, "two" do: apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #219

You must have never owned a firearm, nor read the Owners Manual if you have.. Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #218

The Kellerman study has long since been debunked. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #17

This wasn't Kellerman's study. Whovian Feb 2013 #23

Then post a link to the study you seem to be embracing. nick of time Feb 2013 #28

The New England Journal of Medicine. Whovian Feb 2013 #32

Thanks. nt. nick of time Feb 2013 #33

Say again. SayWut Feb 2013 #43

Like "SayWut" said, that IS Kellerman's study. Lord Magus Feb 2013 #61

2.7 might be accurate. Incitatus Feb 2013 #129

43:1 wasn't the risk ratio Major Nikon Feb 2013 #213

Guns - The Love That Keeps On Giving - Round After Round cantbeserious Feb 2013 #26

Over 1,200 killed by guns since Sandy Hook mokawanis Feb 2013 #31

Thank you. The pro gunners here are terribly vile. Whovian Feb 2013 #34

WTH? So everytime a woman is attacked and would have chosen to defend herself but Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #36

Every woman you speak of Lordquinton Feb 2013 #49

"No one has been prevented by law in owning guns" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #54

No broader a statement than Lordquinton Feb 2013 #62

So when other posters run around saying pro-RKBA advocates Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #63

My mistake. Lordquinton Feb 2013 #70

And what does the body of the post say? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #72

Says that I got the Semantics wrong Lordquinton Feb 2013 #78

You are determined to be a dishonest about this as possible, aren't you? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #88

What about it? Lordquinton Feb 2013 #103

Until the attacker punches your lights out, and then kills you with your own gun. Dash87 Feb 2013 #100

+1,000. Spot-on observation, and 100% accurate. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #91

Well at least she votes Democratic RZM Feb 2013 #35

And she doesn't look 30 years old, as is the 1983 Kellerman study is with all its massaged data n/t Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #38

That's not the original text pintobean Feb 2013 #42

I keep guns in my home sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #45

She needs better training. ileus Feb 2013 #46

But she won't get it mokawanis Feb 2013 #48

Then again pintobean Feb 2013 #51

You don't even know, do you? Whovian Feb 2013 #53

Enlighten me. pintobean Feb 2013 #56

I don't think I can. Pissing in the wind comes to mind. Whovian Feb 2013 #57

So, you don't know. pintobean Feb 2013 #58

She'd decrease the threat to her family Warpy Feb 2013 #55

From a perspective of 71 years, our culture has gotten more fearful and violent, WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #60

Thank you for a moment of clarity. Whovian Feb 2013 #134

i almost didn't click on the thread. barbtries Feb 2013 #66

So glad someone appreciates it. Whovian Feb 2013 #92

You got 40 Recs, but the same tiresome little ban of pro-NRA shillmeister's gave it their all to apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #69

Are you serious with that sig line? Support of 2nd Amendment is racist? Skip Intro Feb 2013 #71

Possibly the single most fuckwitted thing I've ever read on DU. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #75

Oh, look who haz a sad. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #77

Nope. I haz a LMAO, actually. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #85

Sure. n/t. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #87

Oh yeah, it's meant seriously. Skip Intro Feb 2013 #81

You tell 'em, Skip! apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #86

Are you having another "party"? Perhaps you can alert on it: apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #76

You're trying to deflect from your own sig line? Skip Intro Feb 2013 #79

Better get on that alert, Skip. n/t. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #80

Yeah, ok. Have a nice rest and take it easy. Skip Intro Feb 2013 #82

"it is in poart to discuagg issue gtwettn oher duers but this is talkinb bad about other duers apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #84

Thanks. There seems to be a vendetta of sorts. Whovian Feb 2013 #93

And I apologize that two of the posters currently stalking me decided to bring their vendetta apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #97

LOL... Not your fault I believe they were here already Whovian Feb 2013 #98

Because keeping them on the front lawn would be counterproductive? randome Feb 2013 #73

Yeah, the neighbors will complain about anything. Deep13 Feb 2013 #104

It depends on the person's location and circumstances. Incitatus Feb 2013 #127

Look at it this way: if you kill yourself or your family with your weapon... Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #132

Another thread full of stupid. flvegan Feb 2013 #137

Bigger question: How paranoid are gun owners to think that they are ALWAYS at risk of a shootout? MessiahRp Feb 2013 #142

+1000 Whovian Feb 2013 #145

While I agree with most of your post but I have a question. ... spin Feb 2013 #146

If you own over 20 firearms I would consider you a threat to public safety. Whovian Feb 2013 #149

How about me Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #154

4 guns seems like overkill to me as well... MessiahRp Feb 2013 #165

The CCW makes it much easier to buy a gun Recursion Feb 2013 #199

Well here is my answer Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #201

I suspected you would just like most people who have little understanding ... spin Feb 2013 #211

What is your reasoning for the need to carry at all times? MessiahRp Feb 2013 #164

If I had an reliable app for this iPad that would remind me that today was a day ... spin Feb 2013 #214

if all gun owners were like you, there wouldn't be a problem! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #202

Interesting thread you linked to. I added a comment. (n/t) spin Feb 2013 #216

you might like this one, too. farminator3000 Feb 2013 #217

It must suck for those people to live their lives in constant fear. Apophis Feb 2013 #183

Don't confuse me with facts, I want my guns Progressive dog Feb 2013 #150

+1 nt Whovian Feb 2013 #151

If you think about it in a certain way than we are better off because of them. aandegoons Feb 2013 #155

What about this reason doc03 Feb 2013 #166

Yup amuse bouche Feb 2013 #169

I think one of the root problems is intolerance forward4freedom Feb 2013 #180

and many of the city/urban types Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #181

Option? to do what? nt forward4freedom Feb 2013 #185

have a weapon Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #194

I think the 2nd part is NRA propaganda forward4freedom Feb 2013 #205

I keep mine in my home, too. Where else would I keep them? MineralMan Feb 2013 #182

Rec #100 Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #187

Because you are stupid and selfish, like Nancy Lanza Dems to Win Feb 2013 #203