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alcibiades_mystery

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35. Sometimes it's about trust, sometimes it's not

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:34 PM

Feb 2013

Who can tell with ole Manny?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2318720

The basic point is, of course, correct. In the same way Bush and Cheney used FDR's military tribunal executive order and Ex Part Quirin to justify future offenses, a future GOP President could use the current drone policies horribly. (We should remember that the worst Bush Administration offenses against habeas, and the current drone policy, are all justified on the basis of Quirin, which was Manny's hero's baby! But don't worry, because Manny trusted FDR - as he himself admits - and presumably trusts that um...subsequent GOP Presidents would also, er, um, er...or something,).

It's why it should never be about trust, but about review and checks and balances, now as then. Trust is such a tenuous thing. I'm glad Manny has realized this between two days ago and today.

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Please REC if you trust our President to do the right thing [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 OP

But what about the next president? aquart Feb 2013 #1

Should have made this a poll so all could check in...yea or nay. eom Purveyor Feb 2013 #2

:crickets: XemaSab Feb 2013 #3

Scary - For future use by anyone who becomes POTUS!! lunasun Feb 2013 #4

You set up your question so that no one will rec your post. It should have been a POLL with options. Tx4obama Feb 2013 #5

why won't people rec it? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #7

Please don't play dumb. YOU know that folks trust Pres Obama but not some unnamed GOPer. n/t Tx4obama Feb 2013 #8

But didn't the President take successors into account? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #9

Rest assured they will be legal, ethical and wise LittleBlue Feb 2013 #29

And won't make Fox News say mean things. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #32

NDAA also? lunasun Feb 2013 #33

Is he going to take it back when his term is over?! woo me with science Feb 2013 #25

It is the very meat of the issue. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #13

Seems like a Ian Iam Feb 2013 #30

Damn abelenkpe Feb 2013 #6

The only cogent argument I have heard on this came from, unsurprisingly, the Magistrate. Bonobo Feb 2013 #10

I read that and was quite surprised, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #24

I can't REC... HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #11

Due Process is so 20th Century - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #38

Wait..... we won't always have an intelligent, thoughtful President? Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #12

I almost always rec your posts, fadedrose Feb 2013 #14

I don't think so joelz Feb 2013 #15

I miss the un-rec feature. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2013 #16

i rec-ed for lols renegade000 Feb 2013 #17

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #18

Can't do it n/t leftstreet Feb 2013 #19

Mitt Romney might have gained these powers. These powers must be eliminated. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #20

an untrustworthy POTUS won't care about what I think SmileyRose Feb 2013 #21

unrec (nt) bigwillq Feb 2013 #22

Dear Third-Way Manny BuelahWitch Feb 2013 #23

I am working on blind trust. Really, I am. woo me with science Feb 2013 #26

I've had this song running through my head today Oilwellian Feb 2013 #27

I love me some Leon!! lunasun Feb 2013 #34

I stopped trusting politicians a long time ago. cbrer Feb 2013 #28

KICKETY. NT xchrom Feb 2013 #31

Sometimes it's about trust, sometimes it's not alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #35

If the concept of a President Santorum and\or President Palin doesn't scare coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #39

I'm not surte how that's a response to my post alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #45

I intended it to validate and comment upon your post to which coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #47

Trust is a spectrum. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #40

It's pretty clear alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #44

I don't trust Obama with this and I don't trust Future President Autumn Feb 2013 #36

-1 from me Logical Feb 2013 #37

huh? kpete Feb 2013 #41

Premeditated murder in the name of profit is always justifiable. Zorra Feb 2013 #42

I gave it a rec..... NCTraveler Feb 2013 #43

This one sure. The next one? kudzu22 Feb 2013 #46