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104. ya got me thinkin' - they wouldn't make such great movies about it unless...

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:01 PM

Feb 2013

somebody knows someone.

LA Confidential, of course, and this a a damn good review below. i thought i caught a lot of details!

Polanski does not attempt to thrill or even terrify us by CHINATOWN’s violence. Rather, he attempts to get us to accept its permanence.

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We quickly realize that Gittes has been fucked over so many times that he’s only looking for a little edge, just enough to keep going and stay a little ahead. Even his rage is somehow muted, tired..skip...But he can never get far enough ahead to figure out what is going on, to get on top of it.

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Polanski’s point is that we should accept Cross’s mastery as total and inevitable . Thus we should accept the pessimism of the film’s conclusion as equally inevitable.

Gittes has been had, we've been had, and Polanski can retire behind his work of art, smiling at the folks out there, assuming that he has gotten us to accept his vision of corruption and nihilism.
http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/onlinessays/JC03folder/ChinatSperber.html

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I hope to dog they capture Christopher Jordan Dorner alive [View all] Taverner Feb 2013 OP

Knowing the LAPD and their buddies in other departments Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #1

Yes. They already shot two innocent women on sight, just because they drove the same car Taverner Feb 2013 #2

Not even the same make. jsr Feb 2013 #4

Fuckall..... Taverner Feb 2013 #5

Well, when you're all tweaked out and hopped up on the meth and coke coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #132

Indeed. n/t Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #7

Yay, Cops! Iggo Feb 2013 #97

not sure he has much to say, if he did, why not reveal that ? JI7 Feb 2013 #3

Because he is a man without a voice Taverner Feb 2013 #8

the guy lost any credibility he might have had JI7 Feb 2013 #16

Does. Not. Matter. Taverner Feb 2013 #34

he isn't just an asshole, he is a fucking murderer JI7 Feb 2013 #43

Wow. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Star Feb 2013 #35

it's not secret that the LAPD is fucked up with fucked up people JI7 Feb 2013 #38

The Women Were NOT Killed n/t HangOnKids Feb 2013 #48

But they were shot. By the LAPD. Should we ignore that? Taverner Feb 2013 #76

Fuck No! HangOnKids Feb 2013 #78

here's one way to think about it DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #77

But it doesn't have to be that way Taverner Feb 2013 #117

I think I'm on your side on this one DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #124

Agreed - our emotions get the best of us sometimes Taverner Feb 2013 #131

Have you seen the manifesto? 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #186

It's not looking good for him to survive the LAPD manhunt. Lone_Star_Dem Feb 2013 #6

He should drive to San Jose, and turn himself in Taverner Feb 2013 #10

The thing is he really wants his pound of flesh before he's caught. Lone_Star_Dem Feb 2013 #27

Yes - I would agree he is a narcisist Taverner Feb 2013 #37

No they won't nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #9

Very true Taverner Feb 2013 #12

Or even SDPD. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #22

There were studies done a few years ago Taverner Feb 2013 #28

Well, here is a little secret. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #36

+100 "I read the manifesto and was all but even a smidgen surprised. " Taverner Feb 2013 #39

You are 100% correct! n-t Logical Feb 2013 #173

The worship of this asshole on DU is disgusting nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #11

Worship, no. He's an asshole for killing innocent people. Taverner Feb 2013 #14

there is no excuse for what he did, he is not a victim, why didn't the fucker come out JI7 Feb 2013 #18

Because he was either an idiot, a narcissist or both Taverner Feb 2013 #31

it does matter just as it did with the fake Sandy Hook Dad but this case is many times worse JI7 Feb 2013 #60

Then why do you have a problem investigating both? Taverner Feb 2013 #66

i never said i opposed investigating the LAPD, you are the one who said this guy was not important JI7 Feb 2013 #71

i'm really thinking its the two concussions he got playing football- a good part anyway farminator3000 Feb 2013 #198

He's been trying. 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #187

Nice try at a save. Your previous messages Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #21

You're not worth it. If you want an explanation, look upthread Taverner Feb 2013 #24

You're holding a "Go Dorner Go" sign but I'M a troll? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #30

Either you never read my posts, saw the name "Taverner" and decided to troll Taverner Feb 2013 #41

Your credibility died by your own hand Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #49

hold on there, I don't see any Go Dorner Go Whisp Feb 2013 #107

I alerted on that post but a jury of DU voted 6-0 to let DreamerTatum's coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #203

He grew those balls already 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #191

Agreed. Very pathetic. FSogol Feb 2013 #19

People here are worshiping him? Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #26

Nobody - but this is Fox News' meme tonight Taverner Feb 2013 #42

You do understand that a flood of comments like yours.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #29

I could give a shit if anyone reads the manifesto. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #33

"He Killed His Own People!!!!" hmmmm just thew that out there Taverner Feb 2013 #44

Did I say that? No. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #52

No - I think I hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head Taverner Feb 2013 #55

No, you're realizing that you're cheering on a murderer Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #56

Where exactly is Taverner defending a murderer because he hates COPS? I'd just like to read it louslobbs Feb 2013 #81

His hatred of cops and his interest in someone who shoots cops Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #84

Wow, you sure know how to create a good story for yourself. I asked for proof from Taverner and louslobbs Feb 2013 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Star Feb 2013 #45

Yes - I am surprised THIS isn't the story Taverner Feb 2013 #46

So that exonerates Dorner? nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #54

No but it does give some credence to his claims that the LAPD is out of control. nt justiceischeap Feb 2013 #116

Is the reverse also true? mythology Feb 2013 #158

Please don't bring logic into this discussion. zappaman Feb 2013 #161

Sure, you can make that argument justiceischeap Feb 2013 #185

I believe his story and I think once the foia's come back in 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #195

The two old Asian newspaper delivery ladies were fortunately only wounded. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #159

not true 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #192

"HE KILLED PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM WHATSOEVER AT ALL."- so does LAPD farminator3000 Feb 2013 #199

I see no worship anywhere. robinlynne Feb 2013 #141

there is no worship 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #189

+1. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #190

His manifesto is not the ravings of a lunatic. NightOwwl Feb 2013 #13

+100 Taverner Feb 2013 #17

In one section of his manifesto bayareamike Feb 2013 #32

or maybe he made it up, look at what he is doing now, just like that BUnker Hostage taker Dykes JI7 Feb 2013 #40

Other than the choking incident that you refer us to from Dorners own words oin his manifesto that louslobbs Feb 2013 #87

I based that conclusion both bayareamike Feb 2013 #93

Is this what you are referring to? louslobbs Feb 2013 #103

Yep, I was mistaken when I said it was a girl. bayareamike Feb 2013 #106

And will be the last, hopefully without any more bloodshed. Not likely I'm afraid. louslobbs Feb 2013 #125

Uhhhh last I checked.... Spryguy Feb 2013 #88

Being a cop doesn't make one guilty. bayareamike Feb 2013 #90

Thanks. All things in good measure. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #184

i agree. farminator3000 Feb 2013 #202

I read part of the appellate brief on his case. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #214

most people would have left that out 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #196

"Was it offensive to use that word? Of course. Should he have choked the officer? No." WRONG! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #200

Couldn't disagree more. bayareamike Feb 2013 #216

well, farminator3000 Feb 2013 #226

He gives other examples in his manifesto. bayareamike Feb 2013 #227

well, i have no problem with somebody punching racists after they are told to shut up farminator3000 Feb 2013 #228

Not the ravings of a lunatic? zappaman Feb 2013 #73

That is true, even if what he says is true, they are now the ravings of a murdering lunatic and no louslobbs Feb 2013 #123

Powerlessness NightOwwl Feb 2013 #152

BULLSHIT. Hasn't he known too much for the almost FIVE YEARS since he got fired? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #111

I have no sympathy for Dorner. NightOwwl Feb 2013 #147

Thank you! Dorner deserves NO sympathy. bayareamike Feb 2013 #218

Sounds like a lunatic to me. dkf Feb 2013 #126

He is not long for this world. jsr Feb 2013 #139

The LAPD connection to Hollywood is far deeper then "filming permits." libdem4life Feb 2013 #15

It goes all the way back to the Hayes Code. Taverner Feb 2013 #20

ya got me thinkin' - they wouldn't make such great movies about it unless... farminator3000 Feb 2013 #104

Hope in one hand, and shit in the other. Let us know which one fills up first. 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #23

I call BS. The "real story" isn't just about the LAPD. bayareamike Feb 2013 #25

exactly, this guy is no better than that Dykes asshole who took the kid hostage JI7 Feb 2013 #47

He is worse because he killed more - However, that's not my point Taverner Feb 2013 #51

WE KNOW THE LAPD IS CORRUPT JI7 Feb 2013 #57

OK then - send him to jail for life Taverner Feb 2013 #59

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #64

That is part of it - and I would like to see him in jail for life Taverner Feb 2013 #50

the fucker lost any crediblity he might have had, he made it worse to clean up JI7 Feb 2013 #67

No on 1, Yes on 2 Taverner Feb 2013 #70

they just might dismiss it coming from a muderous thug like him JI7 Feb 2013 #75

He Killed The Young Couple To Get Back At Randy Quan His Former Captain @ LAPD HangOnKids Feb 2013 #62

Right, I understand that. bayareamike Feb 2013 #86

No - she was innocent. What he did was unconscionable. Taverner Feb 2013 #91

Are you fucking kidding? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #119

yeah, the press would listen 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #197

Leave the emotion nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #63

Leave the emotion? What? bayareamike Feb 2013 #100

Nobody is excusing any of the murders nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #102

Get in the way of what? bayareamike Feb 2013 #105

Nobody is telling you he does not deserve to face a judge nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #109

I believe we are misunderstanding one another. bayareamike Feb 2013 #112

That is were FOIA and investigative reporters nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #121

If the issues are "legendary and "under observation for decades" then why make a hero a murderer? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #157

yes! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #204

"This guy is full of **** and I have no sympathy for him. He needs to rot." - WE AGREE Taverner Feb 2013 #74

"He has a story to tell" and I won't bother listening now. Killing innocents and cops is not how TeamPooka Feb 2013 #53

I never said he was handling it well Taverner Feb 2013 #58

So his murder spree is like a publicity tour to you. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #69

maybe Jimmy Lee Dykes had something to tell us with the talk radio JI7 Feb 2013 #79

I understand the Unabomber had a message, too. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #83

Sad but true. zappaman Feb 2013 #150

So how many more people can he murder before his story isn't worth hearing? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #61

+100 Taverner Feb 2013 #68

Am I like the last person in the universe Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #65

the news just came out late last night JI7 Feb 2013 #72

if his story is so important why the fuck didn't he tell it ? JI7 Feb 2013 #80

He did. Through all of the "official" channels NT Taverner Feb 2013 #89

why not go to the media ? why not post in the internet instead of a kill list ? JI7 Feb 2013 #92

Because he's either an idiot, or narcisistic... Taverner Feb 2013 #94

why not ? credibility matters, considering what he is doing now, seems to me like JI7 Feb 2013 #99

Please oblige me this: Put yourself in his shoes for 5 minutes Taverner Feb 2013 #138

ok, and ? JI7 Feb 2013 #144

If you don't get it you don't get it Taverner Feb 2013 #145

i'm not the one who doesn't get it JI7 Feb 2013 #146

We both don't get each other Taverner Feb 2013 #148

Watch LA local news coverage. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #101

reminds me of the Sister of the Rapist/Killer in Iraq JI7 Feb 2013 #82

Flat out damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #85

They're going to kill him and probably have a drone lined up and coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #96

No, unfortunately not. Taverner Feb 2013 #98

too bad he didn't allow the story of Rampart to be aired out instead of killing the young couple JI7 Feb 2013 #110

Rampart (the larger scandal) was totally and completely swept under the rug. Given the coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #113

so we don't even try to uncover it ? JI7 Feb 2013 #120

He's an idiot and/or a narcissist Taverner Feb 2013 #114

He's not going to be taken alive jberryhill Feb 2013 #108

They will shoot to kill on sight. He will not be given the slightest opportunity to surrender. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #115

Yes - this is Worst Case Scenario Taverner Feb 2013 #118

They already have shown they will shoot on sight. They shot two ladies rhett o rick Feb 2013 #127

Yes - you are right in a cynical, but all-too-true sort of way... Taverner Feb 2013 #128

I am glad the cynicism came thru. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #129

Cynicism is always there - but the level of counter-hope goes up and down Taverner Feb 2013 #135

As cynical as I am I still was quite niave to think during the Bush fiasco that we would rhett o rick Feb 2013 #160

The system itself has to be changed Taverner Feb 2013 #165

I am currently reading a book, "The Irony of Democracy." It's about American Government rhett o rick Feb 2013 #171

I'll check it out. Taverner Feb 2013 #174

seems like he didn't want his story to come out either JI7 Feb 2013 #122

I dont think it is even about that. he killed 2 cops and a cops daughter. he will not be taken alive robinlynne Feb 2013 #143

I know he won't. I know how LAPD operates. Hell, he probably kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #163

I agree with you. just syaing. there are 10,000 police after him. He killed a cop. robinlynne Feb 2013 #211

I'm just concerned for the innocent bystanders the cops might kill or injure in their kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #215

+1. robinlynne Feb 2013 #229

Sad to say this man is going to go down fighting. Even if everything he said is true southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #130

Sadly, yes. You are right. Taverner Feb 2013 #133

It sure does. Here he is worried about his good name and he is hurting himself. I feel southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #137

You feel bad for a triple homicide suspect? bayareamike Feb 2013 #151

Please read my other comment. I said killing people isn't going to justify what he has southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #193

The LAPD is the most overtly corrup in the nation. Dawson Leery Feb 2013 #134

I think the union can be beneficial - you just have to set up the right env Taverner Feb 2013 #136

They dont generally take cop killers alive, do they? robinlynne Feb 2013 #140

No. No they don't NT Taverner Feb 2013 #149

Dead men tell no tales lunasun Feb 2013 #142

Don't forget about....... left on green only Feb 2013 #153

EDITED: Smiling and happy. Gotta google this. freshwest Feb 2013 #155

that 2nd pic is not him, it's the 2 people he murdered JI7 Feb 2013 #164

Sorry, it's bleached out and I thought he was thinner. Deleting all but one. freshwest Feb 2013 #167

yes, the 4th pic is of him, google can be misleading based on the first search JI7 Feb 2013 #170

Okay, I deleted it. Still smiling there. I'm going to google, this is confusing to me. freshwest Feb 2013 #172

he was fired from the LAPD JI7 Feb 2013 #176

Yes, I found a link. Maybe there is a conspiracy or maybe not. LAPD has problems. freshwest Feb 2013 #178

Read his manifesto DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #166

+100 Taverner Feb 2013 #175

Why didn't he go to the Reporters with his story ? this happened 4 years ago JI7 Feb 2013 #177

I have no idea. I'm not his advocate. But his manifesto makes for compelling reading n/t DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #179

Maybe he did and for whatever reason they didn't do their due diligence. There's ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #225

WHy didn't he post it all on a WEbsite then ? JI7 Feb 2013 #230

Good question. I'll be sure to ask him next time he calls for my advice. eom ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #231

I hope so too but I would bet the cops will shut him up by killing him. nt Raine Feb 2013 #156

Yep rightsideout Feb 2013 #162

If he is captured alive... NCTraveler Feb 2013 #168

I've read some of his manifesto and a lot of it makes a lot of sense Catherine Vincent Feb 2013 #169

This is one interesting thread. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #180

The guy is a demented monster. No applegrove Feb 2013 #181

angry cops oldandhappy Feb 2013 #182

Do you really thing the LAPD will let that happen Matariki Feb 2013 #183

Correction: He possibly HAD a story to tell... Now he's a murderous monster ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #188

That is exactly right. HappyMe Feb 2013 #194

So you are saying your message is all of a sudden false if you kill someone? Taverner Feb 2013 #207

I'm saying he blew it. Plain and simple. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #209

THis is not about him Taverner Feb 2013 #210

Look, I know it's fun and all to post contentious threads to get lots of posts ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #212

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #217

Is this where I am supposed to be offended? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #219

No this is where you are supposed to re-read what I wrote Taverner Feb 2013 #220

What I see is you trying to backstep. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #224

more like: If you kill someone, people will not care about your message or want to hear it. robinlynne Feb 2013 #213

Not necessarily false, but it sure bayareamike Feb 2013 #221

Yes, yes this is true. Trust but verify. Taverner Feb 2013 #222

Pretty much agreed. nt bayareamike Feb 2013 #223

This message was self-deleted by its author brentspeak Feb 2013 #201

So is the LAPD Taverner Feb 2013 #206

at least he isn't Eric Robert Rudolph! he should go FBI or even Canada farminator3000 Feb 2013 #205

Life of Olympics Bomber, Holocaust Denier Eric Robert Rudolph Examined in New Book farminator3000 Feb 2013 #208