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48. Agreed.

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 10:54 PM

Jan 2012

But even the midwest isn't close to as bad as the south.

As an example.

Democratic Presidential candidates in places like Alabama and Mississippi won't even get 10% of the white vote. It's that bad.

To put the numbers in proper perspective, in the 2004 Presidential election, Republican Presidential nominee George Bush had a greater percentage of the black vote in a battle ground state like Ohio, than John Kerry had of the white vote in Alabama and Mississippi.

And the problem is only getting worse.

When LBJ (who ironically was from Texas) said that by supporting equality for everyone he was giving the South away to the GOP for a generation he was wrong. He UNDERESTIMATED the hatred. It looks like he handed the South to the GOP for centuries beyond.

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Would the nation be better off if the south would go away? [View all] Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 OP

Well, the Republicans would never win another Presidential election... LAGC Jan 2012 #1

I posted this in another thread, but I think it is relevant here too. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #13

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #28

Was there anything there historically inaccurate or untrue? nt aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #32

The South couldn't do it without some of the MidWest HockeyMom Jan 2012 #43

Agreed. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #48

WRONG. Fawke Em Jan 2012 #243

No... You are wrong my friend. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #247

A-FUCKING-MEN!!! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #56

and this from a Host of GD Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #229

Hosts only have power to lock off-topic posts. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #271

I believe you are correct -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #273

Racism, sexism, ignorance - only in the South Hugabear Jan 2012 #100

Nice try! aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #146

you realize that Democrats have done well in the South? Hugabear Jan 2012 #153

Actually, again if you look at the numbers... aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #183

You DO realize that without a sarcasm thingy, dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #154

fixed Hugabear Jan 2012 #157

... limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #2

I would be happy if you were to self-delete your OP. Region bashing isn't very nice ... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #3

+1 Melissa G Jan 2012 #5

where did -I- bash any one? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #170

Would the nation be better off if the south would go away? alphafemale Jan 2012 #244

honest question -- or would you prefer us to go away with a BANG ?! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #245

I think every other post I've seen from this poster has been 'self deleted' tammywammy Jan 2012 #8

at least I know how to read the whole thread. Let's see if you do. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #169

People are responding to your insensitive and uncalled for TEXT IN THE OP, but ... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #176

If I wanted to discuss the history of the south, I would have posted in The American History group Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #258

Region bashing is an indication cordelia Jan 2012 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #14

+1 redqueen Jan 2012 #22

Exactly. This isn't a discussion about political difference or other differences. It a broad brush JTFrog Jan 2012 #26

I think that is her point Kali Jan 2012 #41

is it bashing when it is true? Odin2005 Jan 2012 #61

So that makes broad-brushing ok? Hugabear Jan 2012 #105

In 1968, it was also George Wallace's American Independent Party Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #158

+1000 Skip Intro Jan 2012 #110

you are damn skippy! Region Bashing is not very nice at all. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #122

I wish I could. I wish there had been no need to start this thread. You are right Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #172

You are playing a game. Your OP is insensitive to us Southerners here at DU. I've emailed Skinner. Tx4obama Jan 2012 #179

I emailed him, too. Over a week ago. Let us see how quickly he replies to you -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #220

Thank you The Genealogist Jan 2012 #174

Please note: -I- bashed nothing. -I- only want to determine where -I- belong. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #222

I would prefer that the South come to its senses. dimbear Jan 2012 #4

YES. Hopefully one day a Democratic presidential candidate will win North Carolina. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #65

Actually if you look at demographics aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #152

I guess that means in '76, there was a huge influx of enlightened voters Hugabear Jan 2012 #159

Fair point, however... aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #171

Clinton lost in NC in 1992 taterguy Jan 2012 #208

Good call! Thanks for the correction. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #218

Carter SWEPT the South in '76 Hugabear Jan 2012 #144

Its not that simple aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #178

Unfortunately, around here they'e against "educating" SharonAnn Jan 2012 #288

No Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2012 #6

Would the nation be better off if we stopped generalizing? CurtEastPoint Jan 2012 #7

thank you Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #123

No... because then a large chunk of DU members wouldn't have a decent place to live. TalkingDog Jan 2012 #9

why don't you get a clue and check out Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #67

You are insulting. You are insulted. Seems to be a lot of that going around. TalkingDog Jan 2012 #213

I don't know how much clearer I can make my questions. Are you really telling another DUer to not Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #223

I predict this thread will disappear in 5...4...3...2... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #11

That makes you about a thousand times more psychic than Miss Cleo. Liberal Veteran Jan 2012 #35

Three of my fellow jurors voted to leave it. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #47

you would be wrong. I know. I have tried that method. Please see my post #50 in this thread. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #68

There are a lot of good Democrats in the south. Robb Jan 2012 #12

indeed Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #124

Please stop blogslut Jan 2012 #15

I wish it would. -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #126

Obama got 43% of the vote in Mississippi, 45% in South Carolina, and 40% in Louisiana Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #16

You are missing the point. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #51

So you just want the white Southners to go away. Synicus Maximus Jan 2012 #57

No, I'm not saying that. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #76

OH, so it's mostly *black* Democratic voters who should "quietly go away". Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #58

I haven't said anyone should "go away." aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #69

Your concern has been duly noted and taken under advisement. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #127

Good comeback! aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #150

Easy there on the paternalism, chief MFrohike Jan 2012 #141

I'm sorry but that is just not true. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #149

It's not? MFrohike Jan 2012 #160

You will NEVER find creationism being introduced outside of the South Hugabear Jan 2012 #166

Hahaha MFrohike Jan 2012 #175

Idiots like Bachmann are the exception in Minnesota. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #272

I think we are missing the point. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #184

I'll answer it MFrohike Jan 2012 #284

Good post! aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #285

They don't MFrohike Jan 2012 #305

"I don't know that the rest of the country is much different." boppers Jan 2012 #191

What the hell are you trying to say? Here in Houston Texas we elected an openly gay mayor! Tx4obama Jan 2012 #195

Ah, Texas, always thinking they're "first", or "bigger". boppers Jan 2012 #198

I did NOT say that we were 'first' or 'bigger', all I'm saying is that Texas (the South) is not ... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #200

"the first elected openly gay" boppers Jan 2012 #207

Huh? That was an excerpt from Wikipedia. Tx4obama Jan 2012 #210

Bull MFrohike Jan 2012 #282

The race riots occurred in cities. boppers Jan 2012 #306

And your point is? MFrohike Jan 2012 #308

who said -I- wanted them to go away? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #70

yes. baldguy Jan 2012 #17

No. cordelia Jan 2012 #20

How about the South joins the US, then? baldguy Jan 2012 #116

Makes no sense. cordelia Jan 2012 #143

North Carolina GOP: Public Hanging For Abortionists baldguy Jan 2012 #156

Attacking a whole region like this is uncalled for....... BrentWil Jan 2012 #18

way to misread the question Kali Jan 2012 #46

where did I tell anyone to go away? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #71

please point out where -I- attacked anyone. All, -I- did was ask a couple of questions. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #226

No customerserviceguy Jan 2012 #19

thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #107

Not a chance Generic Brad Jan 2012 #21

me too. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #72

that would be sad handmade34 Jan 2012 #23

yes, it would Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #109

No, the south should not go anywhere. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #24

3/3 decision. PassingFair Jan 2012 #30

why are you surprised? you of all people? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #78

No - Surprised you didn't delete it. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #82

just call me crazy -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #94

You're cracking me up. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #98

ibtsd Electric Monk Jan 2012 #25

fooled you Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #79

I still predict this will end with you deleting your OP Electric Monk Jan 2012 #185

I don't agree with this poster at all. I live in the south. I don't like the piling on I see. It southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #27

please and thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #95

Your welcome. I know how it feels. It happened to me. I strongly believe is freedom of speech eve southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #221

I never stated an opinion. All I did was ask a couple of questions. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #227

Your right, sorry. However your commenting on others I felt was piling on. I see you can stand up southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #232

I like to bash the south as much as the next guy... PassingFair Jan 2012 #29

Is there any group you DON'T like to bash? cordelia Jan 2012 #33

I'm an equal opportunity basher. PassingFair Jan 2012 #39

I voted to hide it as well... n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #38

thanks for doing your civic DU3 duty Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #167

*facepalm* sakabatou Jan 2012 #31

exactly. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #80

There is no light without the dark supernova Jan 2012 #34

I feel superior to whom? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #83

"who would you have to feel superior to"? boppers Jan 2012 #192

Hmmm....no Harper Lee, no Truman Capote, no Flannery O'Connor, no Stax, no thank you Taverner Jan 2012 #36

Stupidest question I've heard today... and I spent the day with 4 year olds. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #37

lovely post. just stunning. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #165

Your post stunned me until I realized I'd seen it asked here a hundred times... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #187

Are you from the mid-west? The mid-east? boppers Jan 2012 #193

IMHO, I actually think that everyone's idea of 'what' the 'south' IS is different ... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #197

that question has already been asked and answered by me in this very thread-- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #228

Tuesday is from the South. Swede Jan 2012 #309

Build a big wall around it to keep the stupid in... n/t backscatter712 Jan 2012 #40

a lot of people in the west say things like that about the east Kali Jan 2012 #64

Yes! jzola Jan 2012 #42

hm . . .welcome to DU Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #84

Will they be taking their food, short story writers, novelists, playwrghts with them? EFerrari Jan 2012 #44

it would be a crying shame. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #85

It's like considering which of your hands you would keep, isn't it? EFerrari Jan 2012 #119

No nt Crabby Appleton Jan 2012 #45

thanks Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #164

In light of all the misinterpretations of your QUESTION Kali Jan 2012 #49

Kali, Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #50

"Would the nation be better off..." How many interpretations does that have? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #75

Personally, I think, no. We would not be better off but, I ask it of all DUers. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #77

Why do you feel that it's an important question in the first place? And hasn't it been cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #81

welcome to DU3 Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #86

Too true. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #97

why do -I- think it is an important question? because I live in the south -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #103

then lets get rid of wisconsin, ohio, montana, nevada, az.... what are we looking at? seabeyond Jan 2012 #52

beats the hell outta me Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #87

And leave Southern blacks at the mercy of racists? I don't think so. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #53

Would the nation be better off if only those with IQs of 110+ could vote? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #54

that question is worthy of its own thread, me thinks Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #139

Well, then the 130's would bitch about the 110's. boppers Jan 2012 #194

I'm happy for all you people who love the South wilt the stilt Jan 2012 #55

You obviously have never Been to Austin Texasgal Jan 2012 #73

Do you have public naked bicycle rides, and full nude (with drinks) strip clubs? boppers Jan 2012 #199

Of course there are placess like Austin wilt the stilt Jan 2012 #209

We'll be better when we tell the Limbaughs and Robertsons to STFU Initech Jan 2012 #59

agreed Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #88

Definitely! The Limbaughs, Robertsons, Becks of the world and like stoke the RKP5637 Jan 2012 #114

Yup - they incite hatred and violence for money. How do they sleep at night? Initech Jan 2012 #125

It's sooo damn ironic, they consider themselves the moral fabric and patriots of RKP5637 Jan 2012 #127

I agree, they are extremists and enablers, and they are not good for the US. Initech Jan 2012 #136

The south is a beautiful region with mostly wonderful folks just like anywhere else. We don't need RBInMaine Jan 2012 #60

read the op carefully then look for my replies Kali Jan 2012 #66

thanks, Kali Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #89

Absolutely, 100% Hugabear Jan 2012 #62

exactly Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #90

the protect the south crowd is ignoring american history. nt msongs Jan 2012 #63

do expand on that, please. nt Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #92

Or maybe they dont appreciate broad-brushing Hugabear Jan 2012 #132

Really? RZM Jan 2012 #250

Congrats. You win the sarcasm as flamebait award. pinto Jan 2012 #74

lol Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #91

that seems a little unfair Kali Jan 2012 #96

NO JI7 Jan 2012 #93

thank you Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #138

No. I have no real need rrneck Jan 2012 #99

I have flown back home on soon-to-expire miles Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #104

I applaud your priorities. rrneck Jan 2012 #108

I'm stranded here in the Northeast. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #120

And dont get me started on country ham. nt rrneck Jan 2012 #140

kind sir, I will be proud to be in that foxhole with you! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #106

And i would be honored to join you there. rrneck Jan 2012 #112

say it! Kali Jan 2012 #118

"how liberals can trumpet their weepy concern"? boppers Jan 2012 #201

Yes, unmasking is fun. rrneck Jan 2012 #237

We need to pull together as a united, not divided nation. Divided, we are RKP5637 Jan 2012 #101

It has more to do with population density than anything. mt rrneck Jan 2012 #115

Excellent point!!! RKP5637 Jan 2012 #117

That is an excellent point. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #163

Just an FYI post re: population density- PotatoChip Jan 2012 #225

Thats a good map. I am going to steal it for my archive! aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #240

Nope, because I live on a beautiful lake in Virginia, which is in the south, and I phylny Jan 2012 #102

me too Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #145

What a moronic thread. nt Skip Intro Jan 2012 #111

feel free to find one that suits your own mentality. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #137

Nope. Iggo Jan 2012 #113

one would think -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #135

I would personally prefer flame-baiting bigots on message boards go quiety away. nt Skip Intro Jan 2012 #121

pssst Kali Jan 2012 #129

I've read all I care to read of this garbage, thanks. Skip Intro Jan 2012 #130

So you weren't referring to the OP. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #131

I do not alert and I do not sit on juries however, I would find your post to be Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #133

Sure MFrohike Jan 2012 #134

Do people read the whole thread before they reply? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #142

Apparently not MFrohike Jan 2012 #147

yes, it does. and thank you for pointing out all those accomplishments -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #148

Short answer? Hell yes... BeHereNow Jan 2012 #151

or, could it be that Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #155

! Kali Jan 2012 #162

Haw, haw! xfundy Jan 2012 #182

LOL boppers Jan 2012 #202

Okay, I'll ask. What's the basis of your question? flvegan Jan 2012 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #168

I've long said that Lincon was our worst President gopiscrap Jan 2012 #173

That's a real blivet of a post. nt rrneck Jan 2012 #177

Oh, Lawsy, I got the vapors! xfundy Jan 2012 #180

Xfundy, I have to say that my experiences mirror yours, except I'm not gay. I was born and raised Nay Jan 2012 #248

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #181

If the tea party faction, that pulled a coup d'etat on the GOP in 2010, gets its way . . Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #188

"Fuck the South"? cordelia Jan 2012 #217

The South also produced Al Gore, Albert Gore, Sr., Jimmy Carter, LBJ, Tennessee Gal Jan 2012 #254

"the South owns its history" ? bvar22 Jan 2012 #287

No. The south rocks. NCTraveler Jan 2012 #186

Florida is not the deep south. aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #224

Surely you can't be serious. Rex Jan 2012 #189

Don't call me Shirley. boppers Jan 2012 #205

no, barbtries Jan 2012 #190

No! Americans have a revolution to win, not a civil war. (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #196

got that right! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #280

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr from the South? mmonk Jan 2012 #203

indeed! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #279

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #204

Or stay longer. boppers Jan 2012 #206

I don't mind them but I find it curious that they moved to my state and voted in mmonk Jan 2012 #215

The Southern strategy only works because of our Archaic wilt the stilt Jan 2012 #211

I don't necessarily think the south should go away, but . . . Vinca Jan 2012 #212

interesting. is that what your crystal ball shows you? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #278

This is stupid. redqueen Jan 2012 #214

Thank you for your kind comments. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #236

I guess I should be thanking you. redqueen Jan 2012 #303

it boggles the mind. --- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #304

This CT born, MA raised person loves the south!!!... Little Star Jan 2012 #216

May your geographical issue be resolved as quickly as humanly possible. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #235

Sorry but the answer is yes. I lived in the south for twelve years and found leeroysphitz Jan 2012 #219

indeed, kind sir. You are entitled to you opinion. Thank you for expressing it Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #233

Thanks. Thanks a lot. Tennessee Gal Jan 2012 #230

I am about to come to that conclusion as well -- please see my post #50 Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #231

No, I do not stay where I am not wanted ......... however Tennessee Gal Jan 2012 #239

well said. thank you Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #249

Not this shit again? pecwae Jan 2012 #234

After reading several, but not all, replies to this thread, I can see that you do not Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #238

And expose cordelia Jan 2012 #253

excuse me, but, how I am responsible for what other DUers post? It is their post to own Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #255

Of course, you are not responsible for what other DUers post. However, when you ask Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #265

the thing is -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #266

Well, pardon the hell out of me. I didn't realize that this was a public service thread. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #274

I am truly sorry but, honestly Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #276

Friends, then. Being from the south, I'll admit to being a little sensitive to the negativity Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #281

No, but the nation would be MUCH better off if people would stop South-bashing. Fawke Em Jan 2012 #241

Yes, it would. Tennessee Gal Jan 2012 #242

agreed Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #270

How does this have 8 recs? I guess it is ultimately a good thing Hosnon Jan 2012 #246

This type of thread makes me miss unrec (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #251

how do resolve this issue? juries are coming back 3-3. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #252

If you see a big problem with a host Rex Jan 2012 #275

Admin has not replied to my PM. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #277

Bigotry & Small Mindedness alive & well at DU3!!! bvar22 Jan 2012 #256

where did -I- agree to anything, kind sir? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #257

What a beautiful photo! Love the garden n/t K8-EEE Jan 2012 #261

Can't believe all the responses Broderick Jan 2012 #259

it would be funny if it wern't so sad. -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #264

Agreed. This topic really touched a nerve with a lot of us. nt aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #286

My dad always says "Lincoln didn't do us any favors." K8-EEE Jan 2012 #260

indeed. and it is well past time for us to stand up and be recognised Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #269

Halves of nations never just quietly go away, so I'm going to go with "no." (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #262

very astute answer. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #268

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #263

wow. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #267

No. Neoma Jan 2012 #283

Hell no. Neither side is without sin. The Yankees seem to forget it was all those Northern txwhitedove Jan 2012 #289

I agree -- I would have thought the southern history thread would have been locked and asked to have Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #292

The South is part of the nation. This is very disrespectful to our Southern DUers. Fearless Jan 2012 #290

good lord. READ THE THREAD, please -- or at least post #50. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #291

If what you claim is true why start the thread at all? Fearless Jan 2012 #293

-I- suggested NOTHING. -I- asked questions because of the rampant south bashing that has been Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #294

You have failed at making your point clear. Fearless Jan 2012 #295

perhaps, you have failed to understand my intent and if so I apologize -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #296

You could post your point of view in the OP, no? Fearless Jan 2012 #297

you want me to edit at my OP at this late date? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #298

I think it would clear up the confusion about whether or not you are engaging in it, yes. Fearless Jan 2012 #299

no. peace. TA. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #301

That's too bad. Fearless Jan 2012 #302

No, it will be better off when there are more Latino and Asian immigrants in the South, McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #300

Which has done greater harm--the South with Big Oil and racism or those in the North who Skidmore Jan 2012 #307