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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)90. There are inconvenient truths to his situation, too, that people would rather not acknowledge.
This guy's story is being shopped as if he was fired yesterday after a ten year career, or something.
The truth is he spent a scant two years working in the department, ON PROBATION, as all new hires are. He was suspended in June of 2008 and fired in January 2009. They tried him out, and he didn't, for whatever reason, make the grade.
That was four years ago.
So, for four years, he's been stewing about how people were mean to him.
His manifesto of grudges goes all the way back to 1996, to high school and an evil assistant principal and a thieving student/assistant PE teacher. Really. He also acknowledges that he might have suffered a pre-existing brain injury from his days playing school football:
Mr. xx, assistant principal, xx HS. Remember when you lied to my mother and the police officer in your office about stating that you never stated to me in a private conversation that you know the theft suspect (xx) stole my watch. Let me refresh your memory. A physical education teachers assistant, a student, stole the list of combination codes to peoples lockers, from the P.E. teacher. That student then opened many of those lockers and stole students personal property. My watch was taken in that multi theft an I reported it to you. A week later you discovered that the theft suspect was xx xx, a student. You stated to me in private that you know for a fact he stole my property. When I attempted to retrieve my property from the suspect. Campus security was called and you lied and stated that you never stated to me that you know he stole my watch. You sat there and lied to their faces right in front of me. You said it with such a deliberate, stern face. I never forgot that and was not surprised when 13 years later I was lied on again in the BOR by xx xx. maybe you can confess to your family at the very least in the private of your own home. After that, contact my mother and apologize for lying to her in 1996.
If possible, I want my brain preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individuals brain. Since 6/26/08 when I was relieved of duty and 1/2/09 when I was terminated I have been afflicted with severe depression. Ive had two CT scans during my lifetime that are in my medical record at Kaiser Permanente. Both are from concussions resulting from playing football. The first one was in high school, 10/96. The second was in college and occurred in 10/99. Both were conducted at Kaiser Permanente hospitals in LA/Orange county. These two CT scans should give a good baseline for my brain activity before severe depression began in late 2008.
Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/#ixzz2Ku0T1dzc
Read more at http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/#PLr1SecC0fcLTxEj.99
If you go all the way down to the end of the manifesto, where he's naming celebrities, news anchors, politicians, his favorite tv shows and movies, as if he's thanking the Academy, or something, it becomes very evident, indeed, that the balance of this guy's mind is very, VERY disturbed. It is sad that he didn't receive effective psychiatric help in the last four years, which makes me wonder if he had a job with health benefits over the last four years. I would guess, unless he was sponging off relatives, that he had to be doing something to be able to pay for his truck and gasoline and day to day expenses.
I think a more productive series of questions about this guy would leave the LAPD behind and focus on what kind of medical care, if any, he received over the last four years, if he had psychiatric intervention and medications available to him, and if access to Obamacare might have altered his outcome?
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What? You mean the 'gubberment conspiracy' to take him out isn't the extent of the story?
onehandle
Feb 2013
#4
No. You address the real issues head on and leave this other nonsense alone.
BlueStreak
Feb 2013
#168
Neither Ned Kelley, Billy the Kid, nor Bonnie and Clyde ever ambushed and murdered ...
11 Bravo
Feb 2013
#186
The "they" that shot up the vehicles is NOT the "they" that surrounded the cabin.
MADem
Feb 2013
#23
The "they" that were running the show were the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Department.
MADem
Feb 2013
#35
Yes, and they had an APV out there that was tearing down the walls of the cabin, too.
MADem
Feb 2013
#114
Do you realize those that "shot up the vehicles" were not the same departments either???????????????
George II
Feb 2013
#57
Both shootings were IN Torrance, the first by LAPD, the second by Torrance PD.....
George II
Feb 2013
#134
or, one may feel that you are missing a very glaring point. the victims.... nt
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#12
No, the ones about whom you've shown zero concern. As has most of the site. nt
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#82
Yes, some of whom left spouses and young children. It's rather unfortunate that a very small crew
MADem
Feb 2013
#16
There are inconvenient truths to his situation, too, that people would rather not acknowledge.
MADem
Feb 2013
#90
My sympathy for Mr Dorner ends at the two uninvolved people he murdered. That said ....
marble falls
Feb 2013
#21
What is more messed up is the outrage on Dorner's behalf, not for Monica Quan or Keith Lawrence.
dkf
Feb 2013
#25
Most people are outraged, not on dorner's "behalf", but at the inappropriate actions of police.
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#32
And Dorner murdering Quan and Lawrence in cold blood was an appropriate action?
dbackjon
Feb 2013
#42
That is where you get it all wrong. There is not ONE DUer who thinks Dorner's murders were ok.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#74
His manifesto fails my smell test. He rants on about how he wants to kill mean lesbian bosses and
MADem
Feb 2013
#66
They aren't controversial but he is? People like to talk about controversy. It's human nature.
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#31
By that logic, we should never have trials for murder. While the courts are flawed, lynch mobs have
yurbud
Feb 2013
#38
I am not implying that at all, but "due process" like the Geneva Convention is for people we don't
yurbud
Feb 2013
#54
I was arguing with your comment about the victims which implied that with that crime,
yurbud
Feb 2013
#133
people are giving the domestic equivalent of the argument for torture and drone executions
yurbud
Feb 2013
#44
Indeed. If this were a simple event of a nutcase killing innocents and, in the end, being chased
Nay
Feb 2013
#59
What about the inflexible mob that is unwilling to admit that Dorner had a chance to surrender
dbackjon
Feb 2013
#48
So, your stance is that Dorner is the real victim, and until his good name is cleared
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#85
I disagree. Decent people will be concerned about investigating this case and bringing those
ciking724
Feb 2013
#130
If it wasn't against the TOS to call you a troll, I'd call you a troll. nt
Dreamer Tatum
Feb 2013
#169
This man was not insane, and you know that. He WAS NOT a serial murderer, or he
ciking724
Feb 2013
#167
How dare you call a DUer evil while excusing a serial killer. Yes, he was a serial killer.
DevonRex
Feb 2013
#181
People who identify with a serial killer generally are sociopaths to begin with.
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#123
these argument about dorner are really pushing on the intellectually dishonest territory
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#77
yes, because there is historical context there. not because of nothing.
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#92
Historical context is irrelevant to the blameworthiness of a man who murders
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#93
yes, and no one is saying that she was not a victim or that her death was not sad
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#100
one person w. 65 posts on du. my original argument that people are really stretching
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#105
again, we can't control individual mad men we however have a responsibility to control
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#109
one du'er with 65 posts, is your best example of how du'ers dont think about the victim.
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#104
this is because we can't stop individual people but the state acts at our behest
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#108
Yes, Lioness, you are exactly correct. I expect DUers to be better at critical thinking, and I
Nay
Feb 2013
#91
The main point of intellectual dishonesty is the claim that the police use of the tear
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#127
When people make shit up about how his rights were violated, that's a tacit
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#135
yeah i agree. also we dont exert control over random civilian actions (even if they are as heinous
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#174
The reason for the difference is that DU is largely a place for discussing public affairs.
Jim Lane
Feb 2013
#122
The question, though, is whether this debate would be going on under the exact
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#139
Too many people are trying to "understand" Dorner and intellectualized gibberish defenses of him
bluestateguy
Feb 2013
#140