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cascadiance

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11. Civil Rights he definitely sucks with. Civil Liberties though he has some winning points...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:22 PM
Jan 2012

I want to preface this by saying that I am by NO means advocating for Ron Paul. The dangerous things listed here that he does support here make him even worse than the other Republicans here who aren't as strident on those issues as he is.

But we do need to acknowledge where his "strengths" are that he ropes these narrowly focused (and at times on only a single issue) voters that he attracts to get them to come to our side.

He also is strong about advocating that we restore more transparency to our intelligence agencies like the FBI and CIA, and put in place more protection for whistleblowers in these agencies as well as folks like those people at Wikileaks. Obama by comparison, with his poor record on using rendition, killing Americans overseas without due process, signing of the recent National Defense Authorization Act, and continuing Bush's habits of using State Secrets privilege to fend off civil lawsuits (which he might and perhaps likely will do against folks like Chris Hedges on the NDAA too) has put himself in to the position of giving us a tough time with Ron Paul voters that value that as well. And I myself feel that those issues are pretty darn important and wish Obama would get his head out of the sand with them.

Many of these young Ron Paul voters do see the value of the issues listed above as well as the transparency issue I list here, and don't really see the value of things like Social Security and Medicare, because they are swallowing the lies about them not being available to them later, and don't see the necessity of such programs yet at this stage of their lives in many cases.

We need to understand what goes on in their narrowly focused heads to help weed them out of those feelings. And where Obama is weak, we need to find a way to offer them hope with other people in the Democratic caucus and party (Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc.) to show them that empowering Democrats (and putting more in power hopefully in this election that aren't Blue Dogs to take back the seats once inhabited by Blue Dogs and now occupied by tea party Republicans) will ultimately get them more what they want and not screw everyone in the process with other issues.

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Here's one reason: he's fucking Ron Paul. Nt Hugabear Jan 2012 #1
You would think that that reason alone would be enough. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #2
The so-called pros aren't pros Major Nikon Jan 2012 #3
Very good points. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #4
That would still be a step in the right direction, if you have a corrupt, dysfunctional Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #24
One step forward, 99 steps back ain't worth it Major Nikon Jan 2012 #30
That's correct but it has nothing to do with my post. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #32
I don't believe I have seen anyone on DU... bvar22 Jan 2012 #5
If it's any consolation... cleanhippie Jan 2012 #6
Actually 20%. $50 billion a year in the first round of cuts, another $50 billion/year thereafter. TheWraith Jan 2012 #7
Thats still 500 billion over the next decade. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #9
Then you haven't been looking. TheWraith Jan 2012 #8
Really? Care to point out these Paul trolls? MadHound Jan 2012 #15
Now who's got their head in the sand? Arkana Jan 2012 #27
That sounds like something you should point out to Skinner. If you see that, Skinner and Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #19
names, please, or you have nothing DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #26
Here: Galraedia Jan 2012 #28
thanks, but there are no names here. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #29
Fuck Ron Paul and the horse he rode in on Major Nikon Jan 2012 #10
Civil Rights he definitely sucks with. Civil Liberties though he has some winning points... cascadiance Jan 2012 #11
Those two things go hand in hand Major Nikon Jan 2012 #12
I may dislike Ron Paul as much as you do... cascadiance Jan 2012 #14
Fuck Ron Paul supporters too Major Nikon Jan 2012 #17
I have. Most of them were trolls; but see this thread from 2007... LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #18
K&R - nt Ohio Joe Jan 2012 #13
Another CON: lonestarnot Jan 2012 #16
The fact that his spawn is Rand Paul is enough to make me hate him forever. Zoeisright Jan 2012 #20
The Ron Paul 2 minutes of hate thing is getting tired. Romulox Jan 2012 #21
I honestly don't give a flying fig about anyone who "likes" him, as long as no one votes for him. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #22
This man is anti-women, anti-gays, anti-civil rights. Jennicut Jan 2012 #23
Where did you get that? Did Jenni Siri do that? mmonk Jan 2012 #25
can someone please direct me to these mythical paul supporters on DU? SwampG8r Jan 2012 #31
They don't exist, just another product invented Rex Jan 2012 #34
Bullshit. Galraedia Jan 2012 #35
actually the bullshit is you linking to your own thread SwampG8r Feb 2012 #36
Maybe you should learn to read then. Galraedia Feb 2012 #37
i actually believe you believe that SwampG8r Feb 2012 #38
oh my god how weak is this SwampG8r Feb 2012 #40
The links are not dead. Galraedia Feb 2012 #41
again a bunch of pro paul links SwampG8r Feb 2012 #43
I have seem a few, but they get banned really quickly. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #42
I keep seeing that meme pushed around here and it is laughable. Rex Jan 2012 #33
if you were a secret paul SwampG8r Feb 2012 #39
It just looks like when people posted 'everything Palin' Rex Feb 2012 #45
I know we have some Consernvatives who fear-monger about there being Ron Paul supporters at DU. Gold Metal Flake Feb 2012 #44
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