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68. Here's what you said

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:17 PM

Feb 2013

Yes, there are many unsophisticated, "religious" people who do believe in the "sky daddy." But not great spiritual leaders.

You were exactly labeling religious people who believe in a "sky daddy" as "unsophisticated", and you don't get a much more explicit expression of that belief than "Our FATHER Who Art in HEAVEN" (no one said anything about an "old man", btw, but nice try at deflection). Not to mention that you just doubled down on the same thing. You also explicitly stated that no "great spiritual leader" believes this, and therefore, by direct implication, that no one who DOES believe it can possibly be a "great spiritual leader".

And if you'd like to join me in criticizing the other poster, just say the word, but that doesn't make your own spiritual woo-woo pronouncements any less condescending to billions of religious believers, who don't consider themselves "unsophisticated" or unevolved.

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TRANSCRIPT: Former Catholic Priest Matthew Fox on Ratzinger, Opus Dei & The Broken Catholic Church [View all] Segami Feb 2013 OP

When asked about a "LOST" reunion, he gave a puzzled look. nt Javaman Feb 2013 #1

Bush scurried to a Right-Wing Pope crying for help Segami Feb 2013 #2

And appointed Opus Dei members to the USSC as a payback for that favor. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #17

That's the first time I've heard this. MelissaB Feb 2013 #32

Types of membership of Opus Dei Segami Feb 2013 #42

One link about Alito: MelissaB Feb 2013 #33

Holy Warriors (link) antigop Feb 2013 #54

LOL! GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #39

This is a VERY important article, Segami - thank you for posting it. blm Feb 2013 #3

Kicking blm Feb 2013 #10

Ditto - must read malaise Feb 2013 #19

I am truly sorry, malaise... Octafish Feb 2013 #58

My cousin was a great man malaise Feb 2013 #60

Condolences to Malaise and family Berlum Feb 2013 #61

Three plus decades ago malaise Feb 2013 #67

Oscar Romero - Santo Subito! musette_sf Feb 2013 #65

This article is a MUST READ Berlum Feb 2013 #4

It's all a replay of the 1930's and it's staging in Germany too. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #20

There's a podcast of it at the site, too. For those who prefer that.. KoKo Feb 2013 #37

Like most people, he has no clue about Citizen's United skepticscott Feb 2013 #62

Wow! Thanks for posting that. Very important. K&R nt antigop Feb 2013 #5

k&r MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #6

bookmarking for later. barbtries Feb 2013 #7

KNR joeybee12 Feb 2013 #8

A lot of DUers have been on top of this for years. loudsue Feb 2013 #9

Yes, loudsue...a lot of this was known by DUers for years, but isn't it GREAT to see someone writing antigop Feb 2013 #34

Could this be tied into the infamous Franklin Credit - Boy's Town pedophile scandals? Berlum Feb 2013 #44

Good question. nt antigop Feb 2013 #48

Conspiracy of Silence video here.... antigop Feb 2013 #49

Excellent post, thanks. santamargarita Feb 2013 #11

Scary Liberalynn Feb 2013 #12

You are voicing the sentiments of many... Segami Feb 2013 #13

Broken Faith Berlum Feb 2013 #81

"We used to serve the church, now we serve humanity." Smilo Feb 2013 #14

Fox is my man! oldandhappy Feb 2013 #15

Just read it again and want to say thank you oldandhappy Feb 2013 #16

Leave the Pope alone!! progressoid Feb 2013 #18

Omg, haven't seen that face in awhile! Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #73

Opus Dei has completely taken over the church as the people slept. olegramps Feb 2013 #21

Good for him for speaking out, but Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #22

I giggle everytime I see that gif LittleGirl Feb 2013 #41

You're welcome! Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #43

I like it too, but it's the concept of an arugula latte that makes me laugh. Squinch Feb 2013 #53

I wouldn't be surprised if someone here in Portland has made one. Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #57

I don't think you share his vocabulary magical thyme Feb 2013 #47

You just shared the perfect explanation. Melinda Feb 2013 #50

Hmmmm..so every Christian who prays, "Our Father Who Art in Heaven.." skepticscott Feb 2013 #63

that is not even close to what I said, but way to miss the point magical thyme Feb 2013 #66

Here's what you said skepticscott Feb 2013 #68

many people believe in a physical old man sitting up in the heavens magical thyme Feb 2013 #69

I certain;y "gpt" what you said 2naSalit Feb 2013 #77

you misunderstand Nitram Feb 2013 #84

In the first place, the point is not how I take them skepticscott Feb 2013 #86

That is a beautiful explanation Hekate Feb 2013 #78

excellent discussion Nitram Feb 2013 #82

Kick and share. Super. Thanks for posting. glinda Feb 2013 #23

The Broken Catholic Church AlbertCat Feb 2013 #24

I am going to read this Book.OMG!! april Feb 2013 #25

Important insights here. Huge k&r, n/t. appal_jack Feb 2013 #26

This is the best post I have ever read on DU about Catholicism by far! PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #27

Nail this to the doors pscot Feb 2013 #28

Thank You for posting this formercia Feb 2013 #29

Thank you for posting this interview! austinlw Feb 2013 #30

The interview offers a great explanation of why the right-wing hates the arts. nt antigop Feb 2013 #31

Excellent read...thanks so much for posting! K&R.. KoKo Feb 2013 #35

A Snip from Transcript Part II ...that is so interesting for non-catholics KoKo Feb 2013 #36

Opus Dei is evil burrowowl Feb 2013 #38

i worked with Matthew briefly noiretextatique Feb 2013 #40

I just read an 2 articles yesterday that ties together benld74 Feb 2013 #45

Bookmarked for later. Thanks for posting benld74 Feb 2013 #46

This is a very important interview/article. Mandatory reading for my DU booklist. Melinda Feb 2013 #51

My bumper sticker... DryHump Feb 2013 #52

Ha! Camballo Feb 2013 #85

Great article, thank you. It's encouraging that the very top man, Ratzinger, is forced mountain grammy Feb 2013 #55

I'm not so optimistic Nitram Feb 2013 #83

Nothing frightens me more than the power of religion over people's lives so mountain grammy Feb 2013 #88

You are probably right, but there's no church without a flock and they are fleeing. mountain grammy Feb 2013 #90

Fox is great, a good and stable rebel. toby jo Feb 2013 #56

kick lovuian Feb 2013 #59

Than for this post. Very worthwhile. northoftheborder Feb 2013 #64

K&R, Excellent Thread! smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #70

I was out driving today and pulled up at a light. The car ahead of me had all kinds of amandabeech Feb 2013 #71

Read "Constantine's Sword" By James Carroll. alfredo Feb 2013 #72

thank you. this is very important! bbgrunt Feb 2013 #74

K&R. I remember being so disappointed in the Vatican for condemning Liberation Theology. Overseas Feb 2013 #75

strong wake up call - Opus Dei is too close 4 R good mettamega Feb 2013 #76

What a wonderful post, Segami. Hekate Feb 2013 #79

Excellent post! Thank you, Segami. nt octoberlib Feb 2013 #80

Kicking to read later lunatica Feb 2013 #87

minor factia; errpr jumped out at me hfojvt Feb 2013 #89

Good weekend read or podcast listen for those interested. KoKo Feb 2013 #91

K&R! Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #92

Segami...a follow-up? TommyCelt Mar 2013 #93