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antigone382

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34. No, I am saying that we should acknowledge what a uterus does and not punish women for having one.

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:26 PM

Feb 2013

Reproduction at a certain rate is a service to society. Caring for children and family members is a service to society. It can and should be compensated. Many European nations do just that.

To put this into policy terms: we should provide paid leave, either through employment or through the government, for people (male or female) who take time off related to the childbearing, child-rearing, or care-taking roles that are critical to the functioning of society (and which have been the unrewarded responsibility of women for thousands of years). I would like to see both men and women taking time off to provide these support services to their families; but whatever gender of person is doing this work, they should be compensated in some way for it.

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Number of male nurses triple; average pay: $60,700/yr. Female nurse average pay: $51,100. [View all] SunSeeker Feb 2013 OP

No surprise here SoCalDem Feb 2013 #1

"as men enter previously 'female jobs,' wages tend to rise... " SunSeeker Feb 2013 #2

ain't that the evil truth? SoCalDem Feb 2013 #4

Yup, Obama said that's what happened to his mom at the bank she worked. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #5

Could male upper body strength comes into play? Moonwalk Feb 2013 #28

Not all nurses need to do heavy lifting Texasgal Feb 2013 #30

You don't need a nursing degree to move a patient; they have aids/orderlies for that. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #45

As A Single Mom And Sole Provider For My Child HangOnKids Feb 2013 #3

+1000 n/t politicat Feb 2013 #46

+1 Liberal_in_LA Feb 2013 #18

Where does each tend to work? davidn3600 Feb 2013 #6

Excellent points Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #8

The article does point to different career paths. antigone382 Feb 2013 #11

Are you saying women should get paid more than men because they have a uterus? davidn3600 Feb 2013 #31

No, I am saying that we should acknowledge what a uterus does and not punish women for having one. antigone382 Feb 2013 #34

So, pay each mother a certain amount of money every year for having and rearing a child? OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #36

Such is not the case in Europe, where paid parental leave is the norm. antigone382 Feb 2013 #37

That already happens in advanced countries like oh Sweden nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #50

But the article also says that for each type of nursing, men get paid more than women. pnwmom Feb 2013 #26

"Each type of nursing" = 4 'types' -- nurse practitioner, anesthetist, RN, & LPN in the report. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #59

Since the overall gap = 9%, I expect that most of it can be explained by just those kinds of HiPointDem Feb 2013 #58

I would like to see it broken down by hourly wage madville Feb 2013 #7

It still isn't just for women to suffer economically because we bear children. antigone382 Feb 2013 #13

Every nurse I know is paid hourly madville Feb 2013 #15

Thank you for the clarification. antigone382 Feb 2013 #16

I just don't like the annual earnings stat madville Feb 2013 #20

Here's some HOURLY stats that show similar inequality. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #56

Apples, Meet Oranges Macoy51 Feb 2013 #9

The responses to this thread were so far off the point that I had to make my own thread antigone382 Feb 2013 #10

It is not that "men work harder," they just get paid more. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #14

"even when you compare the same nursing positions (apples to apples), men make more." redqueen Feb 2013 #17

It's the mentality that says women don't need to make as much because they are being supported duffyduff Feb 2013 #25

Really?? Macoy51 Feb 2013 #57

Really. College is easy, dressing bed sores is hard. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #60

And Oranges, meet higher-paid Oranges. Apparently you missed this: pnwmom Feb 2013 #27

Did it say why? RB TexLa Feb 2013 #38

A deeper why: why do the women take vacation and sick time, but not the men? antigone382 Feb 2013 #41

Point taken, but they wanted to force the female RB TexLa Feb 2013 #44

That has little to do with it. The REAL reason is the attitude of our society and employers that duffyduff Feb 2013 #49

Well, having studied occupational sex segration I would say time off has a fair bit to do with it. antigone382 Feb 2013 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author greymattermom Feb 2013 #12

Having been a nurse for 20-some years rainbow4321 Feb 2013 #19

I don't think it's as simple as what that report shows madville Feb 2013 #21

100% spot on... ileus Feb 2013 #24

We have a weird pay structure: the less you touch the patient, the more you get paid. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #54

Sounds typical of the health care field! rainbow4321 Feb 2013 #62

Unionize. felix_numinous Feb 2013 #22

Many nurses are Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #29

Who literally advocates that the hourly rate be higher based on gender? antigone382 Feb 2013 #39

This has been Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #42

It has not been sufficiently addressed, and pregnancy is a choice a man will never have to make. antigone382 Feb 2013 #43

I tned to agree Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #48

All our male nurses end up as managers within 10 years. ileus Feb 2013 #23

I agree.. Texasgal Feb 2013 #32

If more men are gravitating towards the more high-paying nursing professions than women, OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #33

The problem is based on merit pay Texasgal Feb 2013 #35

In articles like this one Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #47

But is that the case? OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #51

Yes it is. Texasgal Feb 2013 #52

Very doubtful. N/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #61

The question is why are men gravitating to those positions more than women? antigone382 Feb 2013 #40

Where I work as a nurse we have had some really bad male nurse managers. mucifer Feb 2013 #55