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Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:24 AM

Mar 2013

MRAs like to complain that men get disfavored by divorce courts. While I do not know whether this is factual or not, assuming it were it seems plausible that this is a result of women being paid less, the court granting favors to the party which is financially behind. A straight forward solution to this would seem to be financial equality.

Speaking from my own experience, I can say that I have observed that many men are uncomfortable with their role in the patriarchy. It became manfifest for me the first time when I decided at the age of 12 that my hair would look better long. That was a bad thing in itsself, but I went one step further and cross-dressed as part of a stage-play. Bad idea... In later years, I had a girlfriend who lectured me that on pictures of us I wasn't "holding her the right way" i.e. not posing in an appropriately dominant fashion presenting her as a trophy. She also considered it insulting when I dared to suggest that she should pay for her own beer for once. Said relationship ended for those very reasons.

Just some things that I am throwing out there...

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 OP

men are not allowed to fuck up ? i think that's crap JI7 Mar 2013 #1

If you are a man and you make poor choices in life, you are called a fuckup or a loser Major Nikon Mar 2013 #11

they do all the time, look at how single mothers are treated JI7 Mar 2013 #12

Single mothers are generally treated better than single fathers Major Nikon Mar 2013 #20

not from what i have seen, single fathers can leave their kids with their mother(kids grandmother) JI7 Mar 2013 #24

Men are assumed to be bad parents whether they are or not. Women get the opposite expectation. Major Nikon Mar 2013 #38

When you see them out with kids it's like they are all bettyellen Mar 2013 #181

Get better friends. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #190

Ha ha, they guys are great fun. Their wives work too hard. bettyellen Mar 2013 #211

are you able to even try to see the other point of view? snooper2 Mar 2013 #229

That men can live in a prison of THEIR OWN making by adopting outdated stereotypes? bettyellen Mar 2013 #240

I didn't think so... snooper2 Mar 2013 #242

So you're not in the vast majority that reads this as pathetic flame bait? LOL bettyellen Mar 2013 #244

+1 nt Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #304

I jumped on many a man for that (okay at least two) hfojvt Mar 2013 #216

It's a weird phenomenon! Actually the grocery crack floored me because bettyellen Mar 2013 #217

There are also women who sit at home and do virtually nothing while their husbands are wage slaves Major Nikon Mar 2013 #264

+1000. nt raccoon Mar 2013 #288

"not from what i have seen" When you are able to see things from other than your perspective... cleanhippie Mar 2013 #340

Absolutely not true at all. Single mothers are "irresponsible". Single fathers are "heroes." Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #262

I'm not really sure where the uproar is Major Nikon Mar 2013 #265

The uproar is systemic shaming. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #266

I know of no such automatic response of which you speak Major Nikon Mar 2013 #319

It's funny you say that, because just about every choice a woman makes is heavily scrutinized. Dash87 Mar 2013 #27

You're talking about the propensity of people to judge other people Major Nikon Mar 2013 #43

no, women are viewed as property in those cases, you think that's a positive for us ? JI7 Mar 2013 #54

I'm not really sure what cases you're referring Major Nikon Mar 2013 #120

Men view other men as expendable. It is primarily other men who send mostly men off to war. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #57

So do women Major Nikon Mar 2013 #113

Well, there is that pesky thing about reproductive rights. We all know that Republicans Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #123

Blame whomever you want Major Nikon Mar 2013 #127

Women cast 54% of the votes. The elected officials we have are the ones women chose. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #147

As if we have an alternative choice between one war mongering man or another. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #150

How did you fare the last time you ran for office? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #155

I'm bazzilon to 1. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #159

Good for you. I'd sure hate to think that you were criticizing the lack of women in office... lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #165

I don't need to detail my finger lifting to validate, to you, my political commitment. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #193

Well good for you. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #196

What are you doing to keep men out of jail. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #212

You, like most DU'ers, find it easy to explain why men are in jail. They're criminals, duh. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #220

I guess I am now 0-2 hfojvt Mar 2013 #219

If we're only counting stuff like county treasurer and congress, I guess I'm zero for zero. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #222

When I ran for the waterboard hfojvt Mar 2013 #234

That's not logical treestar Mar 2013 #194

Majorities exert political power. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #198

Women are not a majority politically - they are not cohesive. treestar Mar 2013 #203

Perhaps no more so than men. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #227

Men are not a bloc either treestar Mar 2013 #327

Whether men get to fuck up or not depends entirely on their class eridani Mar 2013 #290

Money is forgiving of a lot of fuckups Major Nikon Mar 2013 #324

You're arguing the flipside of the coin. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #145

You get called a "whore." It's even worse. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #254

no, she is called left is right Mar 2013 #267

Perhaps by an individual, not by society in general Major Nikon Mar 2013 #323

+1 I know a whole lot of men you have fucked up, and are still on top. Scuba Mar 2013 #31

just look at BUsh becoming President, all the Corporate whores like Romney JI7 Mar 2013 #32

If you don't fuck up every once in a while, you're not really trying. DollarBillHines Mar 2013 #47

Not only are we allowed to fuck up. We are allowed to blame it on women... Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #260

Men bear an often crushing burden Bonobo Mar 2013 #2

Yep. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #6

Just like in this song Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #29

That was the first thing that I thought of, too WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #131

Sorry, men fuck up all the time. Lex Mar 2013 #3

The OP never said they didn't Nederland Mar 2013 #8

He invented his own rule. Men fuck up all the time and often suffer very few geek tragedy Mar 2013 #73

No, I was talking about REALLY fuck up. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #90

I'm a man, for one. For another, the vast majority of households are dual income geek tragedy Mar 2013 #96

In all my 55 years of living, I've only been intimate with one couple Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #169

We start wars RobertEarl Mar 2013 #4

This should end well Fumesucker Mar 2013 #5

heh SammyWinstonJack Mar 2013 #140

Yes, being a man is easier than being a woman. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #7

Being expected to make the 'first move' (dating, etc) can't be that much fun REP Mar 2013 #9

from what i have seen this just isn't how things are anymore JI7 Mar 2013 #19

I think there's more of an expectation on men though REP Mar 2013 #25

I, apparently, was an outlier as well. Nearly every relationship that went beyond a date or two Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #52

You are correct. ElboRuum Mar 2013 #94

That's another issue men aren't allowed to discuss. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #40

there have been many women who talk about their guy not being into sex when they want JI7 Mar 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #61

As If You Have ANY Standing To Lecture ANYONE About Subtlety, Here. Paladin Mar 2013 #303

Sorry. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #310

Well Done On Your Part. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #315

oh you NAIL it, JI7 Skittles Mar 2013 #231

If you haven't figured out by the 1,236th time how to give your woman an orgasm, Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #62

You give your woman an orgasm every time? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #68

I am a woman and the man who later became my husband pretty much had Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #93

Every time you have sex with your husband you're jumping up and down with an orgasm? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #107

Nope. Sometimes neither of us do. Sometimes one or the other of us don't. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #115

Obviously your hubby is more of a man the the OP. This is just what he's talking about. You know? Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #138

Nope. And I think that if the OP met my husband, he would deem him less Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #149

Here's an interesting observation. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #236

A couple of days ago.... bettyellen Mar 2013 #243

Oh please. The husband who's lost interest in his wife sexually is one of the geek tragedy Mar 2013 #88

Burden of making it interesting? treestar Mar 2013 #205

It was never that way. Women have always been able to let it be known to a man geek tragedy Mar 2013 #79

On who asks whom out it is still 9/10 men asking the women Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #322

This may still be common in your age group in your area, redqueen Mar 2013 #331

From what I see with my 23 year old daughter and her friends, this is just not the case anymore. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #30

See #25 REP Mar 2013 #33

Not always true, though. Depends on the person. Dash87 Mar 2013 #36

See #25 REP Mar 2013 #37

Damn your damned signature!!! Every time it gets me. :) Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #139

Muahahahaaa!!! Dash87 Mar 2013 #184

Why? treestar Mar 2013 #200

Rejection. It hurts. REP Mar 2013 #204

Not being asked out is the rejection for women treestar Mar 2013 #207

Ahem. I'm a chick. REP Mar 2013 #210

I still don't agree it is worse for them treestar Mar 2013 #326

Yes they do. redqueen Mar 2013 #332

Your post count implies that this isn't a troll... cbrer Mar 2013 #10

My question to you: UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #49

Not at all, cbrer Mar 2013 #98

Because most men don't feel this way. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #102

A LOT of men feel that way. theKed Mar 2013 #185

"Being a man is a subtle dance." chollybocker Mar 2013 #13

Do you have the slightest idea how difficult it is to be a woman? Iggo Mar 2013 #14

It's hard to be human. MyshkinCommaPrince Mar 2013 #15

I've never for a moment thought it difficult to be a man. My wife and I discuss the challenges of.. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #16

... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2013 #148

thanks.... NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #164

This is a lame attempt to turn GD into the (now deceased) Meta. n/t demmiblue Mar 2013 #17

Yup olddots Mar 2013 #208

Well I asked skinner about the lack of drama on du 3.5 and he said: Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #284

We could probably all agree on how difficult it is to be a human being. enough Mar 2013 #18

It's the path to true equality. nt XRubicon Mar 2013 #26

I suppose only those who have had sex reassignment surgery know... Nederland Mar 2013 #21

I knew one and I asked 5 years post op lunasun Mar 2013 #116

Men are allowed to fuck up though. Jamastiene Mar 2013 #22

Perfect. And all the male CEOs fucking up companies and getting their bonuses. we can do it Mar 2013 #317

Not really. Being a man MineralMan Mar 2013 #23

Is this the theKed Mar 2013 #188

sorry theKed Mar 2013 #189

I am nongendered / third gendered MadrasT Mar 2013 #28

MadrasT, you are special! Sissyk Mar 2013 #44

Thank you Sissyk MadrasT Mar 2013 #48

You are very welcome. Sissyk Mar 2013 #51

Interesting perspective. Thank you. Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #114

Wow. Thank you for posting. SheilaT Mar 2013 #171

What you are Madras, is fucking awesome! bettyellen Mar 2013 #173

+1000!!! TDale313 Mar 2013 #235

On why we want to have companions quinnox Mar 2013 #34

As a new female supervisor, I think I walk a finer line than male supervisors Nikia Mar 2013 #35

and don't forget you're a bitch if you assert yourself fizzgig Mar 2013 #250

First world problems. MrsMatt Mar 2013 #39

You're right about the unrealistic expectations Warpy Mar 2013 #41

This line nails it. ElboRuum Mar 2013 #119

I disagree. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #161

Each of us has unique circumstances reflection Mar 2013 #42

being able to pee while standing up totally rocks, and it gets better from there on out... KG Mar 2013 #46

Short bathroom lines is an aspect of male privilege that I confess I LOVE. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #55

that's changing as new buildings are constructed with lots of women's stalls. Hollywood bowl has Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #64

Broadway theaters are way behind on this (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #65

I saw a show at an old theater in LA. During intermission, long line formed outside ladies room Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #72

Women can pee standing up. And they can direct it. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #66

Women get to do that too AAO Mar 2013 #218

I think mothers who have watched sons growing up have some insights. pnwmom Mar 2013 #50

Some... but no more than the father of a girl understands women Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #69

I think a caring, attention-paying father of a woman pnwmom Mar 2013 #154

Undoubtedly, but one thing I have learned... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #199

You, also, might then be interested in this: pnwmom Mar 2013 #246

Excellent! I have copied it down, and when I get some $$ I'll buy it Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #247

Wow UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #53

If you define "cannot be discussed" as "does not agree with you," maybe. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #89

I define "not be discussed" as an instant snark fest. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #99

Again, you are speaking on behalf of one person, not men. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #125

Give it a rest. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #129

So why is it you posted it? Control-Z Mar 2013 #134

I thought it would be interesting. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #152

Sure you did. (wink, wink) n/t Control-Z Mar 2013 #197

You started the thread with a snark October Mar 2013 #175

It can and should be discussed with maturity and intelligence. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #109

Not here. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #126

Sometimes the button just needs pushing. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #174

Except for the fact that we are actually discussing it. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #195

"A man is not allowed to fuck up" Skittles Mar 2013 #56

That's not exactly what I meant. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #80

Not a single grownup man I know worris about EVER being 'cool' geek tragedy Mar 2013 #84

Always loved the dorks, nerds, and geeks. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #110

Everyone who listens to me in meat space for 5 minutes knows I'm a lifelong nerd geek tragedy Mar 2013 #112

If I told you my cat's names, you might think I am insane... Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #130

You sound like a good kind of insane. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #133

lol. Whisp Mar 2013 #202

Aw! I am giggling at both! Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #215

How old are you by the way? snooper2 Mar 2013 #232

Objection: relevance. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #293

curious to know if you were a teenager in the 50's or the 90's snooper2 Mar 2013 #344

Neither. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #345

I don't know about your world, but in mine manhood extends beyond tenth grade. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #86

Men face the burden of finding a date to their senior prom. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #106

oh horseshit Skittles Mar 2013 #230

OK, Skittles. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #272

Not only that, but we can't beat up everyone who pisses us off. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #81

That's where I got stuck too gollygee Mar 2013 #85

Why does "it's not about being the toughest guy in the room" torment you? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #58

I became a lot more sympathetic once I had a son. tblue Mar 2013 #59

And they hate the "C-Word" joeunderdog Mar 2013 #60

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #63

Do you ever have anything constructive to add? name not needed Mar 2013 #75

You have "search" . Use it Vanje Mar 2013 #76

Good hide, and bye-bye from this thread. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #97

Interesting jury results gollygee Mar 2013 #101

great thread, well worth the read Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #67

I think you don't give women enough credit Grateful for Hope Mar 2013 #70

Apparently, Neil Young is a loser--we learned this from birth: geek tragedy Mar 2013 #71

Men are more alone than women. kwassa Mar 2013 #74

Why Identity Politics is a Dead End, Exhibit 2300 HiPointDem Mar 2013 #77

Congressmen and Senators in red states fuck up all the time ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #78

George W Bush and Dick Cheney are wealthy and free to travel the world. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #82

Well, this thread turned out to be less incendiary than what I expected. n/t UTUSN Mar 2013 #83

Good. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #299

Oh golly gee! Cleita Mar 2013 #87

Hi! gollygee Mar 2013 #92

Hi to you. Cleita Mar 2013 #95

The only one cate94 Mar 2013 #91

As 1StrongBlackMan ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #100

This reads like what a boy would imagine the troubles facing men would be. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #104

Embarrassing OP- not being able to kick ass, LOL bettyellen Mar 2013 #168

I've been a man my entire adult life and I still think this OP is silly. Bucky Mar 2013 #103

I like you, Bucky. aquart Mar 2013 #111

Thank you for pinching in your farts! Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #136

Get your validation from no one but yourself, and galileoreloaded Mar 2013 #105

I don't think anyone really has any fucking clue what it's like to be anyone but themselves. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #108

lol.. like I said once before... opiate69 Mar 2013 #117

Or everyone is Jane March, having sex with Bruce Willis as he drives a r/c tank over our belly. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #263

That's the truest of all. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #121

*** Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #201

I would imagine what you meant to say here... The empressof all Mar 2013 #118

What an arrogant and clueless thing to say. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #124

"Is this why women are so critical? I think we're talking Darwin here." geek tragedy Mar 2013 #132

Fair. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #142

Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #137

You haven't come across a situation that had you thinking about what you might have done differently UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #151

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #167

Hmmm. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #292

You know what's funny? I'm a woman and sometimes I do what you just described. justiceischeap Mar 2013 #279

I like everything in your post except for one thing. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #285

I'm a web designer who has 2 weeks left at my job justiceischeap Mar 2013 #320

OK. Now I see what you mean. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #334

From my reading, most of the respondents who are disagreeing with you are men. Squinch Mar 2013 #141

You are very right. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #160

Deep seated. And yeah, you should talk to someone about that. bettyellen Mar 2013 #166

I don't need to talk to anyone macho woman. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #261

Disagreement does not necessarily mean threatened. Squinch Mar 2013 #172

might I add no one is outraged.... bettyellen Mar 2013 #176

Which is the most disturbing part. ElboRuum Mar 2013 #177

"he fucked up" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #180

the OP is complaining about not being viewed as Cool and what a burden it is JI7 Mar 2013 #226

While I don't see that at all in the original post... ElboRuum Mar 2013 #238

oh please, this is a discussion forum certain threads will always attract more criticism JI7 Mar 2013 #241

Oh please? ElboRuum Mar 2013 #249

It is the Bill Maher "making women nod" phenomenon. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #179

Or it's that the responders are saying what they believe. Squinch Mar 2013 #182

ironically, that assessment seems to be simply be another way of policing masculinity fishwax Mar 2013 #221

I think most guys have some experience with men who say one thing while among men... lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #225

do you assume that what they're saying to men is how they really feel? fishwax Mar 2013 #228

No. Generally, the actors in question are consciously or subconsciously trying to get laid. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #233

sorry, but I think that's bunk fishwax Mar 2013 #239

So you're not nodding. I'm okay with that. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #248

Seriously... The empressof all Mar 2013 #144

These macro-observations aren't necessarily personal experience. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #153

The OP was commenting on his observation that it's hard to be a man The empressof all Mar 2013 #163

Torment, women just don't understand, men die early, men are losers, we're fuck ups, trumad Mar 2013 #122

Yeah, you missed why macho men need to use "pussy" all the time, UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #251

So I stopped using a word trumad Mar 2013 #269

I'm not in the men's club. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #274

Oh but you posted in Meta.... trumad Mar 2013 #276

What positive articles about women have you posted? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #280

Those of us with great brothers, fathers, husbands know it's a difficult job... and we appreciate midnight Mar 2013 #128

Masculine respect means that you are allowed to fuck up. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #135

You know ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #143

Are you serious? Apophis Mar 2013 #146

I'm thinking cliffordu Mar 2013 #156

#1 Stop thinking you have to have an answer for everything. bettyellen Mar 2013 #157

You are kidding, right?? cliffordu Mar 2013 #158

No, I'm dead serious. Every workplace is stunted by this BS. bettyellen Mar 2013 #162

Well thank you for clarifying this cliffordu Mar 2013 #187

Glad to help! Really guys- if you don't know please stop bettyellen Mar 2013 #206

The irony theKed Mar 2013 #213

Excuse me - I forgot this in my previous post: cliffordu Mar 2013 #255

Well not to be unsympathetic but you all ought to quit doing that. nolabear Mar 2013 #170

And being a woman is so incredibly easy? SheilaT Mar 2013 #178

Sometimes it's hard to be a woman itsrobert Mar 2013 #183

I love her UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #214

Empathy: putting yourself mentally in another's shoes. We need more of that. eom Taverner Mar 2013 #186

I suppose treestar Mar 2013 #191

Eagerly awaiting the thread on "The White Man's Burden" Morning Dew Mar 2013 #192

You've won the thread me b zola Mar 2013 #237

. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #245

No kidding. Apophis Mar 2013 #252

Game, set, match. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #333

winning!!! La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #348

Then how come so many men fuck up if they are not allowed to? Whisp Mar 2013 #209

I resent your impliclication. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #224

any popcorn left? SmileyRose Mar 2013 #223

The poison and bile spewed in this thread make the point elegantly. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #253

No, sometimes whining is just whining. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #337

What's that old expression.....the grass is always greener? davidn3600 Mar 2013 #256

That is because long-standing American anti-intellectualism now differentially harms young men eridani Mar 2013 #314

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #257

I'm a man. And I've read enough feminist and queer theory to know this is bullshit. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #258

I'm a woman, but I discussed your post with a man I know. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #259

lol. what a pile of crap. cali Mar 2013 #268

Trust me Cali... trumad Mar 2013 #270

whoa. just took a tour. There are some pretty disturbing posts in that group. cali Mar 2013 #300

COFFEE IS FOR CLOSERS datasuspect Mar 2013 #271

OK everyone. Calm down. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #273

Bullshit.. trumad Mar 2013 #275

But I'm not in the men's club. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #278

It appears as if you just make shit up as you go along cali Mar 2013 #281

I wasn't making that up. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #286

I just want to know if this means I have to clean the toilets now Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #287

dont know about some of that.... Locrian Mar 2013 #277

I'm ftm trans Tien1985 Mar 2013 #282

thanks for a thoughtful post cali Mar 2013 #289

Thanks! Tien1985 Mar 2013 #308

I like being a guy RedstDem Mar 2013 #283

So do I. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #295

Coincidentally, this is an argument against the patriarchy. redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #291

"The patriarchy punishes men for not living up to the masculinity standards which it sets." UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #294

Women have contributed their share to keeping the patriarchy in place. redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #296

"their struggle is a mutual one" trumad Mar 2013 #297

MRA's want women to "pull their own weight? redqueen Mar 2013 #298

It depends on were you look. redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #301

I've yet to see a single legitimate complaint or organization. redqueen Mar 2013 #330

... redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #342

More patriarchy. redqueen Mar 2013 #343

Wow, dude. MrScorpio Mar 2013 #302

I'm not lamenting being privileged. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #309

Oh please spare me we can do it Mar 2013 #305

I'm going to cut this off soon. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #306

you really are a control freak, dearie. cali Mar 2013 #321

Control freak? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #328

It could be cause i am Younger then some of you Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 #307

Very good post. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #312

I'm sick of doing the asking out that's for damn sure Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #311

I'm sorry, UnrepentantLiberal, but you have a really skewed idea of how women Th1onein Mar 2013 #313

Stupid work... Tien1985 Mar 2013 #316

You know what? I can't stop thinking of things I want to say in response to your op cali Mar 2013 #318

You're right and I shouldn't have put it that way. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #338

I've never felt that it's been any more difficult to be a male than not. LanternWaste Mar 2013 #325

You're right. The only thing harder than being a white male in today's society... Orrex Mar 2013 #329

True. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #336

But what is imposing this pressure on men? Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #335

Very good point. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #339

society tries to dictate what it means to be... actslikeacarrot Mar 2013 #341

yet so many men make such poor life choices and then go on to do great things or become imp people La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #346

OK. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #347