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2pooped2pop

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30. they don't have to announce they are taking over a building
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:42 AM
Feb 2012

the police are in the camps and one would have to be stupid to think they are not. So since the police already are very aware of what they are doing, the announcement is more for the people.

I remember when they were planning to shut down a port. I said. "that's stupid," "it's too soon", "they aren't strong enough yet.", "they will fail and then look weak"

But they did call the strike, they did shut down the ports and instead of showing thier weakness, they showed how strong they are. I was wrong.

There has been more than one occasion that I questioned the tactics of some OWS camps. But every single time, they have relieved my fears with their positive words to me.

So when they say "we are going to occupy this building" I think "man thats not a good idea. You will leave the police no choice but to stop you"

But, you see, it's just that which makes this movement work. We older people who have been protesting for years know the police will stop us. We know the shit is coming. So we don't do it. ANd our protest go without media attention and no one knows we are there. So it is just the innocence of some of the protestors, in not seeing how it must surely go, that keeps them standing there defiant. Tenacious. And it has worked.

They wanted that building for the good of the community. I'm sure they saw it as an eyesore that is a blight on the city. THe city doesn't want it. It needs help. The city owns the building. To Occupy, the city owns nothing. It's the peoples building and it should not be standing there rotting when people need it.

So that is part of the why. As to the flag burning...I still suggest provactuers but even if it is true occupiers, I still don't have a problem with it. I would rather not see it burned. But since our govt and Wall Street has been wiping their asses on the flag for so long, and especially once Sarah Palin wrapped herself in one, maybe it does need a good cleaning by fire.

I'm just saying people who are so worried about this minor incident really just need to let it go. It will most likely happen again. Every type of person is part of the 99%. We want no violence but cannot control every move. Every person is responsible for the damage they cause.

And especially in Oakland where the people have been brutalized by the police, repeatedly, I can't judge them wrong for destroying a simple flag made in China being burned. (or for the petty theft of the flag)

Everyone lets the intentions of Occupy go and focuses on this? Not on their feeding the homeless, providing coats for poor, bringing the whole thing to the attention of the world? No, they burned the made in China, flag.

Anyone who is obessed with a flag has their priorities mixed up DontTreadOnMe Feb 2012 #1
One could say they are symbol minded Kennah Feb 2012 #6
Indefinite detention without charges, yes they have burned the Constitution. Where is the outrage? sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #2
Where was the outrage when Bush said it was just a piece of paper? WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #7
Were you here then? On the Left, there was huge outrage, endless outrage, over his destruction sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #8
Sorry I meant the outrage from the middle or right. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #35
Part of communicating is knowing your audience jberryhill Feb 2012 #3
wonder how many iraqis we killed had a flag on coffin burial nt msongs Feb 2012 #4
Probably very few if any jberryhill Feb 2012 #5
Then OWS has been extraordinarily successful at delivering their message. Millions worldwide sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #9
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2012 #10
That's the second time you asked me jberryhill Feb 2012 #11
they don't have to announce they are taking over a building 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #30
The words you just wrote are the outrage that needs to be expressed and understood think Feb 2012 #14
Why do you think that all they see are the relatively few incidents such as the one all over DU sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #17
The Democratic party is not OWS and the presence of the established wing think Feb 2012 #21
+1000 n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #32
It is odd though 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #31
They have a different set of customs, by and large--they will use flags at times MADem Feb 2012 #15
+1. That's it. nt MADem Feb 2012 #13
Yes. Let's focus on the message (for the 1%) of a few dozen rather Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #16
You have incredible difficulty with context, plainly. MADem Feb 2012 #19
Here is where I write a post addressing the horrible actions Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #22
You don't want to discuss, you want to pontificate. MADem Feb 2012 #23
Thanks for backing down. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #24
You have one of those nice days ... talking to yourself. nt MADem Feb 2012 #25
. inna Feb 2012 #27
Well now that there flag is a too important a thing to burn. Kablooie Feb 2012 #12
The Constitution (1st Amend) protects burning the constitution ashling Feb 2012 #18
Who did? Rex Feb 2012 #20
who is "they" ? JI7 Feb 2012 #26
I often K&R posts about OWS, but this time I can't. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #28
Protests pmorlan1 Feb 2012 #29
Yes, the flag of slave owners is soooo much more preferable jberryhill Feb 2012 #34
Hard to believe OWS unionworks Feb 2012 #33
K&R (nt) T S Justly Feb 2012 #36
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