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Paul E Ester

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18. Ken Kesey - dupe of a CIA project?
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:52 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sun Mar 17, 2013, 02:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Kesey explains how his first LSD trip happened when he joined a research study at Stanford University in 1959:

I’d never been drunk on beer, you know, let alone done any drugs. But this is the American government. They said, come in here. We’ve just discovered this new spot of space, and we want somebody to go up there and look it over, and we don’t want to do it. We want to hire you students. And I was one of 140 or so that eventually turned out. It was CIA-sponsored.

I didn’t believe it for a long time. Well, Allen Ginsberg says, you know who was paying for that? It was the CIA. I said aw, no Allen, you’re just paranoid. But he finally got all the darn records, and it did turn out the CIA was doing this. And it wasn’t being done to try to cure insane people, which is what we thought. It was being done to try to make people insane – to weaken people, and to be able to put them under the control of interrogators.

We didn’t find this out for 20 years. And by that time the government had said OK, stop that experiment. All these guinea pigs that we’ve sent up there into outer space, bring them back down and don’t ever let them go back in there again because we don’t like the look in their eyes. Listen/read more


http://blindflaneur.com/2011/08/18/flashbacks-ken-kesey’s-cia-sponsored-acid-trip/

The further bus was a continuation of MK-Ultra waging a psychological war on the american population. It happened right after they had studied the effects of LSD, dosing customers of prostitutes in San Francisco and studying it's effects. By sending LSD into the wild the CIA accomplished the task of stopping the militant left and anti-war movements as they turned to introspection and "dropped out". Dropping out they left the political system to the right who made the laws and leaving the bankers to their own devices.

What we don't know is were Kesey, Ginsberg, Leary and FBI informant Jerome Garcia witting or unwitting participants in this program.

"Create your own reality" or engage politically and dominate and change the system.

While you were out on tour, the corporations and the banks were robbing your house blind.

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What? Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #1
What what? Webster Green Mar 2013 #3
What? Lochloosa Mar 2013 #4
Like, hey, man, if you don't get it, you know, like Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #8
And up my spine came the Kundalini again not the real Kundalini mind you Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #13
Hey man, UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #16
Message auto-removed C.H.O.M.P.S. Mar 2013 #72
I'm sure it will click with someone... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #74
I gotta donate a little for that project. Webster Green Mar 2013 #2
That was the trip to the Smithsonian. Bennyboy Mar 2013 #5
Actually the Smithsonian story is not Bennyboy Mar 2013 #7
Somewhere I have a VHS tape of the first documentary Kesey and Babbs created on the topic... Earth_First Mar 2013 #6
Might this be it? Bennyboy Mar 2013 #9
Yep, that is exactly it... Earth_First Mar 2013 #10
Good thread. Good video. Times that changed me for good to a better drummer. PufPuf23 Mar 2013 #14
Umm, that's quite a sum of money they're wanting to raise there. MadHound Mar 2013 #11
Well that is why the project is onyl asking for 10K Bennyboy Mar 2013 #56
Except that very page you linked to states that they want to raise several million for restoration, MadHound Mar 2013 #63
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I did send your post along Bennyboy Mar 2013 #69
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You are amazing. Bennyboy Mar 2013 #71
Kick Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #12
Who is this money going to? I thought the bus was already kas125 Mar 2013 #15
Did you go to the link & look at the pic of the bus. Webster Green Mar 2013 #19
I remember a 60 minutes story about the bus rusting in Kesey's back yard JPZenger Mar 2013 #80
Not everyone is happy about this. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #17
Lol! Webster Green Mar 2013 #23
That's totally cool. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #26
The Byrds! Berlum Mar 2013 #55
One of my favorite songs from the 60s. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #59
I saw the original, high on acid, with my parents waiting Bennyboy Mar 2013 #57
That's funny. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #58
Ken Kesey - dupe of a CIA project? Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #18
That is some crazy shit right there. Webster Green Mar 2013 #20
are you kidding? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #22
Am I kidding? Webster Green Mar 2013 #24
We dropped out, then we dropped back in, took to the streets, and ended the Vietnam War. Webster Green Mar 2013 #28
hello? the claim is that the psychedelics/drug culture killed the protest/political culture, and HiPointDem Mar 2013 #31
Yes, and I'm refuting that claim. Webster Green Mar 2013 #34
Another thing: Your dates citing the student movement and protests are irrelevent. Webster Green Mar 2013 #36
what you did during the era isn't what everyone did. the dates are more relevant than what HiPointDem Mar 2013 #37
Nope. Webster Green Mar 2013 #39
actually, you did. *got it?* is bullying, aggressive language that presumes to talk down to one's HiPointDem Mar 2013 #47
Well, you should alert on me then. Webster Green Mar 2013 #51
i don't alert except for spam, outright or implied threats, & racism of the blatant kind. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #52
there are tons of articles like those and who knows who wrote them. olddots Mar 2013 #33
+1. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #21
Really? Kesey, Ginsberg, Leary AND Jerry were part of the gov't?!!? kas125 Mar 2013 #25
Un-fucking-real. Webster Green Mar 2013 #27
Oh, yeah, all that stuff was VERY real. But to think kas125 Mar 2013 #29
What part, the Kesy quotes about his participation in a CIA program? Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #32
It's on the web, so it must be true. Webster Green Mar 2013 #35
mkultra didn't end until 1973. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #38
Irrelevent to the discusssion. Webster Green Mar 2013 #41
I was there. But like you, I wasn't 'there' in the US intelligence services, so I don't know shit HiPointDem Mar 2013 #45
Which part is bullshit?. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #40
I said we stopped the war through our protests. I stand by that. Webster Green Mar 2013 #42
MC5 - Never heard of these cats Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #49
Saw them quite a few times. Webster Green Mar 2013 #50
I like their lyrics, sounds nothing like the Americana ballads the dead belts out. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #54
They were in Chicago in '68, I think deutsey Mar 2013 #67
the guitarist married patti smith. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #53
MK-Ultra was about trying to find a way to incapacitate enemy troops via hallucinigens. Webster Green Mar 2013 #30
no, that wasn't its only purpose or program. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #43
OK, great. I give up. Webster Green Mar 2013 #44
I didn't say that, and neither does the OP. It says we can't know whether the popularizers of HiPointDem Mar 2013 #46
I admire you for remaining sane during this discussion while all kas125 Mar 2013 #48
Are you part of the cover-up or just poorly informed by the cover-up? Coyotl Mar 2013 #61
I saw a public speaking tour with Mountain Girl (Jerry Garcia's wife) kattycat Mar 2013 #62
A good book on the CIA and LSD deutsey Mar 2013 #66
Looks like a good read. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #77
"I made more LSD than Owsley" Bennyboy Mar 2013 #60
Some Kesey stuff in here: Bennyboy Mar 2013 #64
from the website a cool story... Bennyboy Mar 2013 #65
Neal Cassady, Kerouac's buddy panader0 Mar 2013 #73
Upper deckers! Bennyboy Mar 2013 #75
This one's for you, Benny. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #76
Awesome..... Bennyboy Mar 2013 #79
Sounds like you're in the middle of an exam right now notadmblnd Mar 2013 #78
Thanks to everyone that donated so far Bennyboy Mar 2013 #81
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Almost there, thanks a lot to everyone Bennyboy Mar 2013 #83
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