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In reply to the discussion: Help Restore the FURTHUR Bus (Kesey, LSD, Pranksters, hippies, Grateful Dead icon) [View all]Paul E Ester
(952 posts)18. Ken Kesey - dupe of a CIA project?
Last edited Sun Mar 17, 2013, 02:23 PM - Edit history (1)
Kesey explains how his first LSD trip happened when he joined a research study at Stanford University in 1959:
Id never been drunk on beer, you know, let alone done any drugs. But this is the American government. They said, come in here. Weve just discovered this new spot of space, and we want somebody to go up there and look it over, and we dont want to do it. We want to hire you students. And I was one of 140 or so that eventually turned out. It was CIA-sponsored.
I didnt believe it for a long time. Well, Allen Ginsberg says, you know who was paying for that? It was the CIA. I said aw, no Allen, youre just paranoid. But he finally got all the darn records, and it did turn out the CIA was doing this. And it wasnt being done to try to cure insane people, which is what we thought. It was being done to try to make people insane to weaken people, and to be able to put them under the control of interrogators.
We didnt find this out for 20 years. And by that time the government had said OK, stop that experiment. All these guinea pigs that weve sent up there into outer space, bring them back down and dont ever let them go back in there again because we dont like the look in their eyes. Listen/read more
Id never been drunk on beer, you know, let alone done any drugs. But this is the American government. They said, come in here. Weve just discovered this new spot of space, and we want somebody to go up there and look it over, and we dont want to do it. We want to hire you students. And I was one of 140 or so that eventually turned out. It was CIA-sponsored.
I didnt believe it for a long time. Well, Allen Ginsberg says, you know who was paying for that? It was the CIA. I said aw, no Allen, youre just paranoid. But he finally got all the darn records, and it did turn out the CIA was doing this. And it wasnt being done to try to cure insane people, which is what we thought. It was being done to try to make people insane to weaken people, and to be able to put them under the control of interrogators.
We didnt find this out for 20 years. And by that time the government had said OK, stop that experiment. All these guinea pigs that weve sent up there into outer space, bring them back down and dont ever let them go back in there again because we dont like the look in their eyes. Listen/read more
http://blindflaneur.com/2011/08/18/flashbacks-ken-keseys-cia-sponsored-acid-trip/
The further bus was a continuation of MK-Ultra waging a psychological war on the american population. It happened right after they had studied the effects of LSD, dosing customers of prostitutes in San Francisco and studying it's effects. By sending LSD into the wild the CIA accomplished the task of stopping the militant left and anti-war movements as they turned to introspection and "dropped out". Dropping out they left the political system to the right who made the laws and leaving the bankers to their own devices.
What we don't know is were Kesey, Ginsberg, Leary and FBI informant Jerome Garcia witting or unwitting participants in this program.
"Create your own reality" or engage politically and dominate and change the system.
While you were out on tour, the corporations and the banks were robbing your house blind.
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Help Restore the FURTHUR Bus (Kesey, LSD, Pranksters, hippies, Grateful Dead icon) [View all]
Bennyboy
Mar 2013
OP
And up my spine came the Kundalini again not the real Kundalini mind you
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#13
Somewhere I have a VHS tape of the first documentary Kesey and Babbs created on the topic...
Earth_First
Mar 2013
#6
Except that very page you linked to states that they want to raise several million for restoration,
MadHound
Mar 2013
#63
I would love to do it, but right now my life is too busy to take on such a project,
MadHound
Mar 2013
#70
We dropped out, then we dropped back in, took to the streets, and ended the Vietnam War.
Webster Green
Mar 2013
#28
hello? the claim is that the psychedelics/drug culture killed the protest/political culture, and
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#31
Another thing: Your dates citing the student movement and protests are irrelevent.
Webster Green
Mar 2013
#36
what you did during the era isn't what everyone did. the dates are more relevant than what
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#37
actually, you did. *got it?* is bullying, aggressive language that presumes to talk down to one's
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#47
i don't alert except for spam, outright or implied threats, & racism of the blatant kind.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#52
I was there. But like you, I wasn't 'there' in the US intelligence services, so I don't know shit
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#45
I like their lyrics, sounds nothing like the Americana ballads the dead belts out.
Paul E Ester
Mar 2013
#54
MK-Ultra was about trying to find a way to incapacitate enemy troops via hallucinigens.
Webster Green
Mar 2013
#30
I didn't say that, and neither does the OP. It says we can't know whether the popularizers of
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#46