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55. If you march in the parade with NAMBLA

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Sun Mar 17, 2013, 07:28 PM

Mar 2013

don't be surprised if people call you a pedophile

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On the attacks on the Catholic Church [View all] nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 OP

Thank you. shenmue Mar 2013 #1

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #2

I thank you also. n/t GP6971 Mar 2013 #3

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #4

Being a member or adherent of a religion is not a choice? Brickbat Mar 2013 #5

No kidding BellaLuna Mar 2013 #66

Evidently it's only a choice if one is an adherent of a smaller religious group. JVS Mar 2013 #96

Soooo much wrong with this OP zappaman Mar 2013 #100

I find the justifications from the OP throughout this thread bizarre. Brickbat Mar 2013 #120

Yep. This shit makes DU look stupid. jsr Mar 2013 #6

+1 Richardo Mar 2013 #16

"dickidness" - the perfect word Richardo Mar 2013 #7

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #8

Raised a Catholic, I had forgotten all the prejudice against me and my Cleita Mar 2013 #9

Yup that is part of it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #11

I'm reading backwards on the posts so I life long demo Mar 2013 #10

In all seriousness the church needs a Vatican III. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #12

Me too. n/t Cleita Mar 2013 #13

Wait. Being Catholic isn't a choice? progressoid Mar 2013 #14

Like being born into any religion nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #15

When I became an adult I chose to no longer follow the faith of my parents. progressoid Mar 2013 #74

And that is a choice increasingly seen in the US nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #77

Many Protestants don't feel a particular attachment to their denomination pnwmom Mar 2013 #290

it most certainly IS a choice and you belittle the civil rights struggle Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #93

So we do not have a history of religious bigotry in the US? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #97

yes we have such a history and not just in the u.s. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #102

And attacks on DU'ers cause they happen to be catholic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #104

ln plz Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #105

Bullshit zappaman Mar 2013 #109

and p.s.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #108

Yes and. We are discussing one type of bigotry nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #110

my point is that one link does not an argument make Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #121

This does not support your assertion. zappaman Mar 2013 #126

hm. not sure if that was the link you meant to post. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #127

Same thread where I posted the links. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #129

After specifically pointing out to you Summer Hathaway Mar 2013 #223

+100 zappaman Mar 2013 #229

You're not born into a religion. You're taught it. Brickbat Mar 2013 #106

If you are baptized when you are a week old, no it isn't. n/t Cleita Mar 2013 #21

But clearly a choice to continue being a member of whatever faith.. RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #31

As long as you live in a Catholic family and go to Catholic school and Cleita Mar 2013 #32

That's just ridiculous. lbrtbell Mar 2013 #101

I never give them money. I think you are being very rude though. Cleita Mar 2013 #115

you are what is called a 'counter-example'. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #94

Not so easy to leave for everyone treestar Mar 2013 #255

nonsense. Bradical79 Mar 2013 #37

That's what the English thought BainsBane Mar 2013 #150

Thankfully, that is NOT what modern liberals think. progressoid Mar 2013 #154

Really? BainsBane Mar 2013 #156

Don't I what? progressoid Mar 2013 #164

You insist religion is a choice BainsBane Mar 2013 #170

Sure. Religion is a choice. progressoid Mar 2013 #174

This OP is an appeal not to be a jerk toward fellow DUers who are BainsBane Mar 2013 #188

Nope. progressoid Mar 2013 #192

Why? BainsBane Mar 2013 #194

It seemed like a poor way to make a point. progressoid Mar 2013 #198

As you admit to making no point BainsBane Mar 2013 #200

Then we shouldn't rant about the children born into the Westboro church of hate, Lars39 Mar 2013 #17

You are seriously comparing an organization of billions nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #18

You posit that anyone born into a religion has no choice. Lars39 Mar 2013 #19

I said you have no choice as to where you are born nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #20

I have not attacked anyone personally or as a group. Lars39 Mar 2013 #23

The church will probably break nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #24

No harm done. Lars39 Mar 2013 #26

Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #28

Hopefully not. Lars39 Mar 2013 #29

just a nit, but there are 1.2B Catholics, not 2 billion or billions. nt magical thyme Mar 2013 #63

Nit well taken nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #75

Technically, WBC has a better claim on saying one has no choice. JVS Mar 2013 #116

Ah. So you are saying that the difference between the Pope and Fred Phelps is that the Pope Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #246

More chips, yay!!!! nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #253

Chances are big that there are abuse survivors here on DU Whisp Mar 2013 #22

us atheists are used to it. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #98

Much like the institution of adoption me b zola Mar 2013 #160

When liberals and democrats become bigoted Mosaic Mar 2013 #25

And baby Jesus was a circumcised little Jewish kid, I might remind you. Cleita Mar 2013 #27

Some individual Catholics are great. trotsky Mar 2013 #30

When you attack the church, that is one thing nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #34

Not calling them child molestors Lordquinton Mar 2013 #90

Given that as a JEW I am having a problem nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #95

I don't differentiate between the hierarchy and the orginization Lordquinton Mar 2013 #140

Chuckle, given what I wrote my masters thesis on nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #225

obvious bigotry Lordquinton Mar 2013 #284

Once again nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #285

Maybe you should get thicker glasses Lordquinton Mar 2013 #288

Now a personal attack nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #289

No, I am not, Lordquinton Mar 2013 #296

you still haven't provided a link Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #111

Cuz it never happened. zappaman Mar 2013 #118

iggy pop? my dad knew him as a kid. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #122

Read here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #124

Read there for what? zappaman Mar 2013 #128

sorry but i find nothing objectionable in any of those links Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #130

You are officially on the b list. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #138

whew! Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #141

Congrats! zappaman Mar 2013 #146

is it going to be formal attire or casual? Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #151

Could you link to the post where people were told, specifically, trotsky Mar 2013 #112

Let me look for it. It was posted by another poster nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #119

More bullshit zappaman Mar 2013 #123

I don't see where all Catholics were called child molesters in those posts. trotsky Mar 2013 #152

You are correct. zappaman Mar 2013 #155

Read the OP. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #158

There are such posts treestar Mar 2013 #254

OK, point to them. trotsky Mar 2013 #257

Any DUer of any term in good faith treestar Mar 2013 #258

When someone makes a claim, I believe they need to support it. trotsky Mar 2013 #259

Everybody knows that sentiment is often expressed on DU treestar Mar 2013 #260

"expressing a sentiment" requires personal interpretation. trotsky Mar 2013 #261

Are you really claiming that no one has ever posted to the effect that treestar Mar 2013 #264

What I'm saying is that I have seen no one claim that all Catholics are pedophiles. trotsky Mar 2013 #265

I am truly interested Summer Hathaway Mar 2013 #159

You think you will get an answer? zappaman Mar 2013 #177

Not likely. Summer Hathaway Mar 2013 #180

Don't forget the self delete! zappaman Mar 2013 #182

Well, you called it! Summer Hathaway Mar 2013 #235

I'm gobsmacked! zappaman Mar 2013 #263

... Summer Hathaway Mar 2013 #270

Seriously??? behrstar Mar 2013 #33

Given I am a Jew you might want to understand, or not, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #35

I am Jewish too behrstar Mar 2013 #39

I am talking of hate of members of the church nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #40

When people say "fuck the Catholic Church" they are referring to the institution. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #212

It absolutely IS a choice. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #36

The attacks have been personal nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #38

So... behrstar Mar 2013 #42

They are based on dogma nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #44

So you believe behrstar Mar 2013 #46

It is what it is. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #51

Isnt that a double standard by catholics? Bradical79 Mar 2013 #53

Attacking evangelicals is also off nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #59

+1 Apophis Mar 2013 #49

Wow. I am so glad you judge others with such razor sharp clarity. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #60

Shall we not criticize someone who chooses to be a member NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #79

Your not consistent. Mixing Religious and political affiliations. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #117

I am consistent. Joining a political party is a choice, NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #125

Whatever you say. You obviously have much deeper insights than the rest of us. A searing intellect Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #132

It takes no great insight to realize NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #135

Truly profound statements...I glad you came up with a rationale. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #137

Thanks but they are not profound at all. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #139

Snicker...if you say so... :) Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #142

Yep. I already did say so. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #236

A searing intellect of a searing 60 watt light bulb, along with an ego the size of Mt Rushmore. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #243

And you have no argument at all. Try harder. n/t D23MIURG23 Mar 2013 #228

Practically everyone treestar Mar 2013 #256

+1 D23MIURG23 Mar 2013 #227

Well spoken! Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #41

It would be like attacking people who attend Penn State treestar Mar 2013 #43

Exactly nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #45

not really. Bradical79 Mar 2013 #57

Except being a Catholic IS a choice. Apophis Mar 2013 #47

Because the laity has been trying to so something about it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #89

Giving money to the churches is showing the church leaders Apophis Mar 2013 #184

The Church says my family is the work of Satan. I am going to criticize the fuck out of such Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #48

Be as critical of the church as you want nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #56

Excuse me, but I have never said any such thing. I do not need any lecturing either. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #244

Give me a direct quote nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #251

"Excuse me, but I have never said any such thing." zappaman Mar 2013 #262

+1, my friend. Evoman Mar 2013 #214

And that poster did not respond to the points I made nor the questions I asked, but instead Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #248

Respectful response and replies to questions? Brickbat Mar 2013 #250

I'm Catholic, was born one, and will die one. Lobo27 Mar 2013 #50

And as a catholic you know of the tension, ever present nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #58

Hallelujah and amen. nolabear Mar 2013 #52

I was raised a Catholic. I don't attend Mass very often, Autumn Mar 2013 #54

If you march in the parade with NAMBLA behrstar Mar 2013 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Jerry442 Mar 2013 #64

You give your money to RCC, you friggin well know some of it would be spent on covering idwiyo Mar 2013 #61

Not the whole truth, though union_maid Mar 2013 #181

"It could help someone" is not the same as it WILL harm a hell of a lot of people. Including that idwiyo Mar 2013 #216

It's pretty much the same union_maid Mar 2013 #220

That's like a battered wife syndrome at its worst: "but he isn't like that all the time!" idwiyo Mar 2013 #237

OK,you're entitled to your opinion on that union_maid Mar 2013 #238

Actually I am trying to figure what is your argument? Is it RCC does some nice things too so it's idwiyo Mar 2013 #240

Not exactly union_maid Mar 2013 #242

Sorry if this seems a bit devil's advocate... but... nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #62

Perhaps behrstar Mar 2013 #67

You might want to read the book of Joshua nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #81

All religions have done that. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #72

"All religions have done that" is NOT an excuse for this particular one or for any of them. idwiyo Mar 2013 #239

Good bye nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #276

You mean your famous ignore list? I am honoured. idwiyo Mar 2013 #291

Welcome to the list! zappaman Mar 2013 #277

I don't think she actually has one. But I am honoured. Kind of got tired of BS in this OP. idwiyo Mar 2013 #292

You kidding? zappaman Mar 2013 #293

There are not enough active posters to fill ignore list with hundreds of people. idwiyo Mar 2013 #295

Thank you. 840high Mar 2013 #65

Hold on here. religion is choice, it is not race... Bennyboy Mar 2013 #68

Exactly. behrstar Mar 2013 #69

Yup, why Jews were slaughtered since it was a choice. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #71

So I googled "american laity of catholic church reforms child abuse" Bennyboy Mar 2013 #80

I sure realize you missed the NPR interviews, CNN and MSNBC nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #82

If you endorse what the hierarchy is doing, keep supporting them. If you don't -- don't. nt Jerry442 Mar 2013 #70

That is independent from telling DU'ers here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #85

"telling DU'ers here...That they are child molesters since they happen to attend mass." zappaman Mar 2013 #87

It has never happened. The OP keeps claiming it but it's not true. Evoman Mar 2013 #215

Just another made up accusation michigandem58 Mar 2013 #268

Can you please post a link to the tread where someone was called a child molester for going to the idwiyo Mar 2013 #241

Sorry, but it is. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #252

So, where is the link? idwiyo Mar 2013 #294

I've decided to convert to Catholicism for one day. The reason? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #73

Oh, good, another condescending post from you letting us know what we can and can't say Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #76

Thank you, I just love the passive agressive nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #78

'I just live the passive agressive" zappaman Mar 2013 #83

Fuckin' ay Evoman Mar 2013 #217

The homily today included not throwing stones at pedophiles. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #84

And why I said, lay off the personal attacks on DU'ers nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #86

In the church I work at there is a constant stream of "abortion is murder" and now this "don't throw SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #197

Agreed, it has to come from the congregations. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #201

I worked at the church for 6 months where the Domenicans got in big time pedophile trouble. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #210

I had philosophical discussions nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #213

The Catholic church facilitated child rape michigandem58 Mar 2013 #88

It is those same progressives getting attacked here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #103

No, that was victims filing lawsuits michigandem58 Mar 2013 #144

And they were not part of the laity? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #145

Huh? zappaman Mar 2013 #147

"And they were not part of the laity?" michigandem58 Mar 2013 #163

As if any of the Op does... zappaman Mar 2013 #167

Christ, are you that obtuse? michigandem58 Mar 2013 #153

No, I am not that obtuse nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #157

You mean "easy peasy" not "easy peachy" zappaman Mar 2013 #161

I know I'm getting nuanced here, but.. michigandem58 Mar 2013 #171

Have a good one nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #173

The book you linked was written by a contributing editor for The American Conservative. michigandem58 Mar 2013 #203

I am as well, but will not stand for bigoted attacks nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #205

"Nuance is missing here." zappaman Mar 2013 #206

Calling out the church for its heinous crimes is not bigotry lbrtbell Mar 2013 #91

"Calling out the church for its heinous crimes is not bigotry" zappaman Mar 2013 #92

Calling individual members is nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #99

Never forget the 300,000 babies stolen from their parents by the RCC in Spain (under Franco) Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #107

So we are clear nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #112

Membership in the RCC certainly does not make one a child molester. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #131

But no one has said it! zappaman Mar 2013 #133

Here, a series of bad posts. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #134

These links do not support your assertion. zappaman Mar 2013 #136

I posted in that thread to offer a comparison to the sort of post LGBT people endure on DU Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #249

You do know that many LGBT have left DU nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #273

apparently that post is really well hidden, no one can find anything like it. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #165

+infinity Apophis Mar 2013 #185

Im not Catholic but my wife is. DCBob Mar 2013 #143

When I was a homeless youth, nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #148

You might want to go to a few Catholic Churches in Mexico nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #168

Nice post MFrohike Mar 2013 #149

Thumbs up nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #162

100% bullshit. cleanhippie Mar 2013 #166

+1 Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #169

+100 zappaman Mar 2013 #172

Exactly. Apophis Mar 2013 #186

Right. So the Bishops will get right on it. Should take oh, a couple hundred years MichiganVote Mar 2013 #175

Only one thing to say nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #176

Sorry, I don't buy it. I am familiar with the ideas but frankly, MichiganVote Mar 2013 #179

So I guess we can ignore a long history of religious wars. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #183

Well you can ignore whatever you like, or not. For my money I cannot and will not MichiganVote Mar 2013 #190

Alas you never read the OP nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #207

Anyone who calls themselves a Catholic/has been baptized is a member of the church. MichiganVote Mar 2013 #269

This s what s hilarious of the assumption you are making nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #271

"We all have a fantastic imagination." zappaman Mar 2013 #202

knr Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #178

What a steaming pile of bullshit...FUCK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH truebrit71 Mar 2013 #187

Thank you for the shining example nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #189

Welcome! truebrit71 Mar 2013 #191

And it is those same progressive members of the laity that are demanding change nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #211

that money doesn't go to the Vatican BainsBane Mar 2013 #193

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #196

US Parishes donate about 28% of the 60-100 million dollars parishes sent to support the Vatican Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #247

I completely agree. Well said. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #195

Jeremiah Wright? His Trinity UCC church is inclusive of LBGT people. He does not stand up and Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #245

When I was 18, I converted to a religion that was right for me. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #199

I frankly do not read the I/P bard nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #208

I just think people struggle with their personal search for meaning and JDPriestly Mar 2013 #221

Agreed, a lot f it s about death. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #224

I'd prefer humans quit religion of all stripes... snooper2 Mar 2013 #204

I think it will happen in time. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #209

Oh, come on already! RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #218

You surely have heard of...tolerance nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #219

This kind of bigotry has been going on murielm99 Mar 2013 #222

For some of us...this is on principe. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #226

Asking members to stop supporting an organization that promotes hate is not bigotry against them. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #230

"Who here has impugned all members of the Catholic faith?" zappaman Mar 2013 #231

You know what has happened to tithe in the first word? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #232

Much of that is due to the hierarchy dumping liabilities on parishes to cover their own butts. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #233

Why changes are coming nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #234

Actually yes, it is a choice ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #266

Shhhhhh! zappaman Mar 2013 #267

Thank you for posting this badtoworse Mar 2013 #272

In 2008, the Democratic Party's nominees for President and Vice President opposed gay marriage. BlueCheese Mar 2013 #274

I'd say that *only* individuals should be attacked. Orsino Mar 2013 #275

I've stayed out of these threads -- until now. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #278

I speak out because I know where that bigotry leads to as well nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #279

Thank you for understanding. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #286

I do, fully nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #287

It's all pretty confusing, who is doing this and why, because the RC church is being accused of BOTH patrice Mar 2013 #280

You are going to make me delve into all that!!!! nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #281

I have been reading most of the afternoon. LOTS of stuff going on! I kind of knew about it patrice Mar 2013 #282

Well...many years ago I was told a nice tidbit by a Jesuit nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #283