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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
70. I would love to do it, but right now my life is too busy to take on such a project,
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 03:48 PM
Mar 2013

But I will give you some basics to consider when prepping to get Furthur restored.

First of all, I'm assuming the engine is still in the bus. Go out, remove all the spark plugs. Once you have that done, go to the front of the engine, grab the fan and try to turn it. If it turns, that is great news, it means that your engine hasn't rusted up and frozen, which means the engine portion of your restoration is going to be relatively easy. If you can't turn the fan, go to your nearest hardware or auto parts store and pick up several bottles of Liquid Wrench or other high quality penetrating oil. Squirt that oil down the spark plug hole, just drown them. Do this for a few days in a row. Then try to turn the fan again. If it still won't turn, then your engine has been seriously rusted and you're restoration is going to be more difficult since you will need to get some major engine parts, if not an entirely new engine(which actually might be the cheaper option, but that's up to you, depending on how much money you raise and how original you want to keep the bus).

Now, on the body side of the restoration, go through and inspect every inch of metal. The sides, the roof, the wheel wells, and especially the frame(the big I beams on the bottom). Push and prod each inch. If the metal is rusted and bends easily, or you actually poke your finger through it, that piece of metal is worthless and will have to be replaced(do not, whatever you do, give into the temptation to use Bondo or other such filler products). If the piece of metal is rusty, but doesn't bend or break under inspection, good news, it is just surface rust and all that needs to be done is sandblasting and painting or chroming.

Now, you want to get the bus back to its original condition. There are, believe it or not, people out there who collect automobile literature, pictures, promo pamphlets, and probably most importantly for you, shop manuals. You absolutely need a shop manual for that bus. Shop manuals have all the specifications you are going to need to restore the bus, point gap, spark gap, etc. etc. It is essential that you have one these for the restoration. Old photos, pamphlets, etc. will help you visualize what the bus originally looked like.

This is where you need to start networking. There are a couple of clubs out there that you need to get next to. First is your regional IH Collectors Club, http://www.ihcc14.org/index.cfm. The second is the IH Truck Club, http://oldihc.wordpress.com/. These contacts are invaluable, because they are the ones that can lead you to the literature, parts and experts you need to undertake this restoration. Get ahold of these folks and get to know them. They will probably be thrilled to be part of the restoration of such a historic vehicle.

Also, get yourself a subscription to Hemmings Motor News. They don't call it the bible of old car collecting for nothing. It has a large directory of people who sell parts, literature, and their restoration expertise for virtually every make and model of vehicle ever built. http://www.hemmings.com/

Finally, get to know, and go through, every backwoods junk yard within a three hundred mile radius. Not the slick commercial operations, the salvage yards that sell parts over the counter. I'm talking about the ones that cover acres and acres, where you go in and pull the part off yourself. Go through these junkyards and see if you can't find another '39 IH bus to use for spare parts. Or advertise through Hemmings and see if somebody has one. A parts car is always a good thing to have on hand.

Rubber. Everything rubber or paper is going to have to be replaced, gaskets, door seals, tires, anything and everything. Electrical, bite the bullet and buy an entirely new wiring harness for the bus because by this time the old one is shot(old wires had cloth insulation if you can believe it). Again, check in Hemmings, there are businesses that do nothing but custom make wiring harnesses for all sorts of vehicles.

When you are going to transport the vehicle, do so on a flatbed truck, don't tow it. Towing a car puts stress on it, and while cars that are in decent shape can take that stress, we don't know what shape the bus is in, and would hate for the back axle to fall off in transit. Since you're dealing with a large vehicle here, talk to the folks who tow eighteen wheelers and other such big vehicles.

What else, shop around and get the best upholstery guy you can find. If the bus is like other vehicles of that era, you're going to have a lot of dash parts, and other parts, not to mention the bumpers, that you're going to have to get chromed. Take off all the stuff that was attached up top, save it for later, but that will make it easier to restore. Be careful when you are handling the wheels, they are probably split rims, and have a tendency to blow apart if you bang on them or drop them hard. When you do the final, funky, groovy paint job, put at least three coats of clear coat over it, just for protection. There's probably more, but I'm ill and need sleep now.

If you have other questions on this, or need some help, please PM me. Good luck.

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What? Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #1
What what? Webster Green Mar 2013 #3
What? Lochloosa Mar 2013 #4
Like, hey, man, if you don't get it, you know, like Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #8
And up my spine came the Kundalini again not the real Kundalini mind you Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #13
Hey man, UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #16
Message auto-removed C.H.O.M.P.S. Mar 2013 #72
I'm sure it will click with someone... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #74
I gotta donate a little for that project. Webster Green Mar 2013 #2
That was the trip to the Smithsonian. Bennyboy Mar 2013 #5
Actually the Smithsonian story is not Bennyboy Mar 2013 #7
Somewhere I have a VHS tape of the first documentary Kesey and Babbs created on the topic... Earth_First Mar 2013 #6
Might this be it? Bennyboy Mar 2013 #9
Yep, that is exactly it... Earth_First Mar 2013 #10
Good thread. Good video. Times that changed me for good to a better drummer. PufPuf23 Mar 2013 #14
Umm, that's quite a sum of money they're wanting to raise there. MadHound Mar 2013 #11
Well that is why the project is onyl asking for 10K Bennyboy Mar 2013 #56
Except that very page you linked to states that they want to raise several million for restoration, MadHound Mar 2013 #63
Wanna do it? Bennyboy Mar 2013 #68
I did send your post along Bennyboy Mar 2013 #69
I would love to do it, but right now my life is too busy to take on such a project, MadHound Mar 2013 #70
You are amazing. Bennyboy Mar 2013 #71
Kick Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #12
Who is this money going to? I thought the bus was already kas125 Mar 2013 #15
Did you go to the link & look at the pic of the bus. Webster Green Mar 2013 #19
I remember a 60 minutes story about the bus rusting in Kesey's back yard JPZenger Mar 2013 #80
Not everyone is happy about this. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #17
Lol! Webster Green Mar 2013 #23
That's totally cool. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #26
The Byrds! Berlum Mar 2013 #55
One of my favorite songs from the 60s. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #59
I saw the original, high on acid, with my parents waiting Bennyboy Mar 2013 #57
That's funny. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #58
Ken Kesey - dupe of a CIA project? Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #18
That is some crazy shit right there. Webster Green Mar 2013 #20
are you kidding? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #22
Am I kidding? Webster Green Mar 2013 #24
We dropped out, then we dropped back in, took to the streets, and ended the Vietnam War. Webster Green Mar 2013 #28
hello? the claim is that the psychedelics/drug culture killed the protest/political culture, and HiPointDem Mar 2013 #31
Yes, and I'm refuting that claim. Webster Green Mar 2013 #34
Another thing: Your dates citing the student movement and protests are irrelevent. Webster Green Mar 2013 #36
what you did during the era isn't what everyone did. the dates are more relevant than what HiPointDem Mar 2013 #37
Nope. Webster Green Mar 2013 #39
actually, you did. *got it?* is bullying, aggressive language that presumes to talk down to one's HiPointDem Mar 2013 #47
Well, you should alert on me then. Webster Green Mar 2013 #51
i don't alert except for spam, outright or implied threats, & racism of the blatant kind. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #52
there are tons of articles like those and who knows who wrote them. olddots Mar 2013 #33
+1. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #21
Really? Kesey, Ginsberg, Leary AND Jerry were part of the gov't?!!? kas125 Mar 2013 #25
Un-fucking-real. Webster Green Mar 2013 #27
Oh, yeah, all that stuff was VERY real. But to think kas125 Mar 2013 #29
What part, the Kesy quotes about his participation in a CIA program? Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #32
It's on the web, so it must be true. Webster Green Mar 2013 #35
mkultra didn't end until 1973. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #38
Irrelevent to the discusssion. Webster Green Mar 2013 #41
I was there. But like you, I wasn't 'there' in the US intelligence services, so I don't know shit HiPointDem Mar 2013 #45
Which part is bullshit?. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #40
I said we stopped the war through our protests. I stand by that. Webster Green Mar 2013 #42
MC5 - Never heard of these cats Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #49
Saw them quite a few times. Webster Green Mar 2013 #50
I like their lyrics, sounds nothing like the Americana ballads the dead belts out. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #54
They were in Chicago in '68, I think deutsey Mar 2013 #67
the guitarist married patti smith. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #53
MK-Ultra was about trying to find a way to incapacitate enemy troops via hallucinigens. Webster Green Mar 2013 #30
no, that wasn't its only purpose or program. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #43
OK, great. I give up. Webster Green Mar 2013 #44
I didn't say that, and neither does the OP. It says we can't know whether the popularizers of HiPointDem Mar 2013 #46
I admire you for remaining sane during this discussion while all kas125 Mar 2013 #48
Are you part of the cover-up or just poorly informed by the cover-up? Coyotl Mar 2013 #61
I saw a public speaking tour with Mountain Girl (Jerry Garcia's wife) kattycat Mar 2013 #62
A good book on the CIA and LSD deutsey Mar 2013 #66
Looks like a good read. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #77
"I made more LSD than Owsley" Bennyboy Mar 2013 #60
Some Kesey stuff in here: Bennyboy Mar 2013 #64
from the website a cool story... Bennyboy Mar 2013 #65
Neal Cassady, Kerouac's buddy panader0 Mar 2013 #73
Upper deckers! Bennyboy Mar 2013 #75
This one's for you, Benny. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #76
Awesome..... Bennyboy Mar 2013 #79
Sounds like you're in the middle of an exam right now notadmblnd Mar 2013 #78
Thanks to everyone that donated so far Bennyboy Mar 2013 #81
Back at ya.. Bennyboy Mar 2013 #82
Almost there, thanks a lot to everyone Bennyboy Mar 2013 #83
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