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92. Found it! "The Cruelty of the Pornographers' Speech"

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:29 AM

Mar 2013

***WARNING: CONTAINS EXPLICIT DESCRIPTIONS***

LOOK AT THE KIND OF SPEECH THAT PORNOGRAPHY DEFENDERS ARE PROTECTING WHILE DENYING THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HARMED BY IT:

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"Rocco [Siffredi] has far more power in this industry than any actress... I was the first to shoot Rocco. Together we evolved toward rougher stuff. He started to spit on girls. A strong male-dominant thing, with women being pushed to their limit. It looks like violence but it's not. I mean, pleasure and pain are the same thing, right?Rocco is driven by the market. What makes it in today's market place is reality." -- John Stagliano,pornographer, quoted in Martin Amis' "A Rough Trade", The Guardian,March 17, 2001.

"I'd like to really show what I believe the men want to see: violence against women. I firmly believe that we serve a purpose by showing that. The most violent we can get is the cum shot in the face. Men get off behind that, because they get even with the women they can't have. We try to inundate the world with orgasms in the face." -- Bill Margold,porn industry veteran, quoted in Robert J. Stoller and I. S. Levine, Coming Attractions: The Making of an X-rated video;1993.

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Making Porn hurts like hell [View all] n2doc Mar 2013 OP

It is a difficult life even in the best of circumstances. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #1

Message auto-removed C.H.O.M.P.S. Mar 2013 #2

Really. LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #14

Message auto-removed C.H.O.M.P.S. Mar 2013 #18

They may be related... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #21

Yes, I think boys are watching it from a young age LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #23

It's not to blame for everything, but the kind of stuff described in the article geek tragedy Mar 2013 #22

I'm going to say it does MattBaggins Mar 2013 #36

I'm pretty sure there's other lines of work if they don't like it. Apophis Mar 2013 #3

Please tell me you forgot your sarcasm tag MattBaggins Mar 2013 #4

Naw, this is how DU is Scootaloo Mar 2013 #9

LMFAO!!! hrmjustin Mar 2013 #29

Nope. Apophis Mar 2013 #10

no. he has made clear the last couple day, there is not much concern for womens issues. seabeyond Mar 2013 #13

It's quite clear you didn't read the article. Apophis Mar 2013 #15

Her point was that making porn is harder than it looks, not that it's evil, SpartanDem Mar 2013 #28

i didnt say anything about evil, but then you knew that, simply reading my post. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki Mar 2013 #174

ditto Bucky Mar 2013 #220

Just like those coal miners, and sweatshop workers bhikkhu Mar 2013 #5

Yeah... Apophis Mar 2013 #11

Wow that is insensitive. MattBaggins Mar 2013 #16

why no consideration fro a porn worker, but for a coal worker? what are you saying? nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #33

I hope you do not last long. How rude of you! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #55

Agree Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #68

It's rude to point out if someone doesn't like their job to get a new one? Apophis Mar 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #160

Wow. Apophis Mar 2013 #164

All because you don't think past the end of your own nose. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #167

... Apophis Mar 2013 #168

Good to see that I've made my point. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #169

You have no point. Apophis Mar 2013 #171

You're the one attacking. Guess people who are having their salaries cut shouldn't complain either. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #172

I don't agree with that, no. Apophis Mar 2013 #178

It's perfectly acceptable to suggest that prostitutes should LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #181

I'm not the one that suggested they seek other employment. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #182

It wasn't an attack LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #183

I have not seen any posts regarding prostitution, so I can't answer your question. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #184

That's exactly what I just asked you about prostitutes n/t LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #185

Why are defending someone who suggests that you look for a new job? devilgrrl Mar 2013 #188

I asked a question LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #191

I answered your lame question. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #192

No, you didn't but OK LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #193

No. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #197

Thought not LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #198

I was confused about your point. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #209

Fair enough. LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #212

So basically you're saying if you don't like the job find something else. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #189

there was a time they were little girls , little innocent girls with fathers, they grew up 4 t 4 Mar 2013 #199

What are you talking about? LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #202

thats what I was thinking...and I am not a man either???? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #228

Really. Such as. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #56

Well, sure. Because most women in porn have tons of other options. They are really likely Squinch Mar 2013 #131

... Apophis Mar 2013 #142

This is a smilie. This is your brain on smilies. Squinch Mar 2013 #148

You're assuming the women are too stupid for college. Apophis Mar 2013 #162

Yes. Squinch Mar 2013 #163

Aurora Snow... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2013 #175

so many women that you speak 4 t 4 Mar 2013 #200

If you'd stop watching it, I'm sure they'd find something else. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #159

... Apophis Mar 2013 #165

Yeah. You roll those eyes. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #166

Not to mention the resistance to even something simple as condom laws. MattBaggins Mar 2013 #6

Condoms as PPE: LOL ... eom Kolesar Mar 2013 #8

Why is that LoL? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #17

Because of all the corporate training we get against electrocution and arc flash: Kolesar Mar 2013 #89

You think disease prevention is funny? nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #20

Nothing is funnier than the spread of disease, shame, and early death Kolesar Mar 2013 #90

I don't think people intentionally go into porn - they just sort of end up in it tjwash Mar 2013 #7

Well there has to be that one moment when some dude says "will you do this for $1000"? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #40

Pretty sure this isn't Libertarian underground MattBaggins Mar 2013 #45

I believe in worker rights and safety regulations for every industry. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #46

I believe the poster was making the clear implication that pornography is rarely a choice LanternWaste Mar 2013 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author WinniSkipper Mar 2013 #207

well gee no kidding Skittles Mar 2013 #12

+100 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #73

And the enjoyment of watching it, when we all know it would hurt like hell, is not at all twisted. Squinch Mar 2013 #132

What a wonderful, pro-woman industry. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #19

and yet she still chooses to do it SpartanDem Mar 2013 #24

So? That doesn't redeem the industry. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #25

It's her and coworkers body SpartanDem Mar 2013 #26

No one's judging her any more than people geek tragedy Mar 2013 #27

Which is it? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #31

The kind of "progressive" who thinks being "progressive" means telling consenting adults what they EOTE Mar 2013 #95

Dishonest talking point. No one is proposing banning the possession of pornography. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #96

I'm not asking anyone to approve of porn, but to say that there are none here calling for the EOTE Mar 2013 #99

I'm gonna guess you don't have a link to this big movement here to ban porn. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #103

Derp. I never said anything about legislation in the U.S. to ban porn. EOTE Mar 2013 #104

Okay, which Scandinavian country? geek tragedy Mar 2013 #105

Christ, you need much, much practice. EOTE Mar 2013 #106

You claimed that there were a significant number of people geek tragedy Mar 2013 #114

Who the fuck is crying "first amendment"? EOTE Mar 2013 #115

heh, you jumped in complainng about authoritarians telling people geek tragedy Mar 2013 #117

And fail number four, you seem to be quite adept at failing. EOTE Mar 2013 #120

Your exact words: geek tragedy Mar 2013 #122

What the fuck does that have to do with the first amendment? EOTE Mar 2013 #124

So, you admit that your initial statement in this thread about geek tragedy Mar 2013 #125

Nope, your reading skills haven't improved in the past 10 minutes. I'd suggest a bit more time. EOTE Mar 2013 #128

Heh. Whatever myths you need to tell yourself to object geek tragedy Mar 2013 #130

ROFL ROFL snooper2 Mar 2013 #140

doesn't this sound like: Whisp Mar 2013 #201

The comparison to Wayne Lapierre is not by accident. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #204

Who has called for banning porn here? Squinch Mar 2013 #134

Quite a number of people. NT EOTE Mar 2013 #136

Give an example of "quite a number of people." Squinch Mar 2013 #137

Here's an example. EOTE Mar 2013 #138

She's proposing limiting porn to non-commercial porn. Squinch Mar 2013 #139

She's stating that she'd ban commercial porn. EOTE Mar 2013 #141

I don't see any call to ban porn in post #5. What makes you think this is a call to ban porn? Squinch Mar 2013 #144

Someone complains about Iceland's law and she's defending it. EOTE Mar 2013 #147

At no point in that example did she even come close to calling for a ban on porn. I am not Squinch Mar 2013 #150

No, she just thinks that a ban on porn would be great. EOTE Mar 2013 #151

Don't know why you think she thinks a ban on porn would be great, because she never said that. Squinch Mar 2013 #152

She's defending the potential ban, that's pretty obvious. EOTE Mar 2013 #153

Again, she's doing nothing of the sort. She isn't addressing porn at all. Squinch Mar 2013 #154

She's responding to a post about pornography being banned in Iceland, are you unaware of this? EOTE Mar 2013 #155

No, that's not what she's saying. And you are right. If the examples are instances of you divining Squinch Mar 2013 #156

Uh huh. And calling for a ban of "commercial porn" is not the same thing as calling for banning EOTE Mar 2013 #179

"Consenting adults" make most of our electronics in slave labor conditions. riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #100

Do I think that those slave laborers should not have a right to a job? EOTE Mar 2013 #101

Your the one who made the slam about "authoritarians" and "consenting adults" riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #107

My issue is with those who try to tell others what they can and can't do. EOTE Mar 2013 #111

My issue with this are those who try to shut down discussion of the painful realities riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #127

I have no issues with those who want to discuss any realities, painful or otherwise. EOTE Mar 2013 #129

And what is wrong with the nanny state? kwassa Mar 2013 #217

"Nanny state" may be a euphemism for anti-regulation. EOTE Mar 2013 #223

I disagree. kwassa Mar 2013 #224

I said "when it doesn't hurt others" EOTE Mar 2013 #232

when you can tell me what woman men are getting off on are willing, which are forced thru sex slaves seabeyond Mar 2013 #108

Professionally produced porn is very well documented. EOTE Mar 2013 #110

And how cute that you think providing a link to a google search is evidence of anything. EOTE Mar 2013 #113

you denying that there is a huge problem with sex slaves in the porn world of the net? seabeyond Mar 2013 #116

I'm denying that commercially produced porn has a problem with sex slaves. EOTE Mar 2013 #118

this is the porn that all the men getting off on are watching? good dodge. still leaves sex slavery seabeyond Mar 2013 #123

So, you suggest getting rid of illegal, underground porn? EOTE Mar 2013 #126

Do McDonald's workers get PTSD from working there? nt redqueen Mar 2013 #109

I guess that depends on how much time they spend by the fryer. EOTE Mar 2013 #112

Wow. Stunning disregard. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #119

I know. That you could be so incredibly callous for fast food workers is very troubling. EOTE Mar 2013 #121

Being the authoritarian I am, I stop at stop signs. LanternWaste Mar 2013 #176

Those who give a fuck what other consenting adults do are one authoritarian demographic. EOTE Mar 2013 #180

As a medic we treated both people in the industry nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #30

careful, nadin Skittles Mar 2013 #51

If I could get more graphic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #63

the dark sense of humor is a coping mechanism - perfectly normal Skittles Mar 2013 #64

Oh I know, but it can be socially problematic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #65

LOL yes I bet :) Skittles Mar 2013 #72

Your words about this 19 year old girl is so sad. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #59

Wow. zappaman Mar 2013 #196

After reading the article mythology Mar 2013 #34

Porn is fantasy stuff Warpy Mar 2013 #35

Porn is fantasy stuff and can be easily done now with computer animation KittyWampus Mar 2013 #66

Then get a new job. LisaL Mar 2013 #37

Lets ban porn then, I'm sure the cartels that will step in to fill the void will improve conditions. Kurska Mar 2013 #38

If a woman wants to do this, would it be "benevolent sexism" to try to stop her, for her own good? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #39

Banning porn is not likely workable, due to the Internet, lack of justiciable standards etc. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #41

Simple work place protections are difficult? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #43

No, I fully support that. Mandatory regular STD checks for everyone involved, for one thing (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #47

And others MattBaggins Mar 2013 #50

They are testing for STDs. LisaL Mar 2013 #81

If we change shame based exploitative sexuality that to much porn is about ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #71

Sounds like a pain in the ass. TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #42

Well cry me a fucking river, I'd rather dig a fucking ditch! Find something else to do. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #44

I met a porn star at an editing studio one time flamingdem Mar 2013 #48

I don't have a wiki page snooper2 Mar 2013 #49

A porn name based on not one but two DISNEY characters...... Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #52

I thought that she based it on two Alpha Flight characters. Orrex Mar 2013 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author datasuspect Mar 2013 #94

This country needs better protections for workers. Period. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #53

Is this pornographer evil? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #54

Does she provide safe working environments for her actors? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #60

Are young women being torn up inside, literally, making her movies? Squinch Mar 2013 #205

Gross. There are much more pleasant ways to earn money. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #57

Creepers and freepers jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #58

How can people whack it to this crap, knowing how much pain it causes. Evoman Mar 2013 #62

Sadly, the sick fucks who get off of that stuff would probably enjoy geek tragedy Mar 2013 #69

I wish I could find a collection of quotes from pornographers redqueen Mar 2013 #76

Sea had linked to this ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #78

Found it! "The Cruelty of the Pornographers' Speech" redqueen Mar 2013 #92

The tragedy is not that sick fucks like it but that most men like it. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #84

Not just "whack it". Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #74

Hey, women whack it too. Evoman Mar 2013 #75

"I doubt many women get off watching the really gross shit." Ghost in the Machine Mar 2013 #231

Wackhing or working through her past? Evoman Mar 2013 #234

wow with all the disrespectful posts on here I'm wondering if some here on DU secretly think liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #67

This woman voluntarily entered the profession. LisaL Mar 2013 #80

You do realize the woman who wrote this now directs hardcore anal films snooper2 Mar 2013 #146

What is the significance of that to you? I don't understand what you are getting at. Squinch Mar 2013 #206

Or maybe they know it is a complicated and nuanced issue: Hissyspit Mar 2013 #210

This is a deeply flawed study, with a small sample of self-selected participants riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #216

I'm aware of that. Hissyspit Mar 2013 #218

a regulated legal career that drags down and drives their underground side into baby raper films Sunlei Mar 2013 #70

There are lots of good reasons to not choose adult movies as a career. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #79

So does crab fishing, roughnecking, truck driving, rigging, contact sports, opiate69 Mar 2013 #82

Porn company sued over penis injections TriMix Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #83

Of course it does. However porn is a symptom, not the disease. In the Chomsky interview posted Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #85

I guess not too many in the thread managed to read the last paragraph. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #86

Most people who turn their hobby into a career end up at least somewhat disillusioned Fumesucker Mar 2013 #87

I also hear tell that when you watch, say, a dinner on Downton Abbey Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #91

I'm not going to say much beyond that I find this incredibly depressing cali Mar 2013 #88

Its always been hard for me to understand how anyone can watch porn and ignore the actors' real pain riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #93

+1 redqueen Mar 2013 #102

The same way they can watch stuntpeople crash cars in a movie LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #145

I'm concerned about the sadism in pro sports like football. Its bad for our society riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #194

Not what I said at all LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #203

I disagree 100%. DUers always "worry" about low wage workers and the "pain" of their lives riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #208

On the flip side LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #211

Noted that you didn't address any of my points, only deflected to arguments I didn't make riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #213

Neither did you LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #214

I've already addressed the OP's main point - porn is painful. riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #215

Sigh LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #219

I have addressed your point, and so have a thousand other threads. You have chosen to NOT see them riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #221

This: LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #222

Yes. Any guy who admits to watching and enjoying and whacking off to Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #187

I don't see how it could not hurt. AngryAmish Mar 2013 #97

What? Those are big ones? They look tiny compared to mine MillennialDem Mar 2013 #98

At least they get paid, what about the global slave trade? Rex Mar 2013 #133

Thank you!!!! n/t Catherina Mar 2013 #143

You are one of the women I always think about Rex Mar 2013 #149

Gawd I love you Catherina Mar 2013 #158

It may not seem like much to people on the outside Rex Mar 2013 #161

Because THERE ARE FEW other JOBS for regular, non-college-degreed---and even then---people. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #135

Computer programming. randome Mar 2013 #177

So does being in the military and many other jobs. cbdo2007 Mar 2013 #157

+1 Rex Mar 2013 #170

Another article by the same author/actress. Jamastiene Mar 2013 #186

Excellent article. Good find. n/t LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #195

I'm surprised there is still a market for commercial porn octothorpe Mar 2013 #190

It is no picnic for the actors. Knightraven Mar 2013 #225

Again I have to ask jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #226

Isn't it obvious? LisaL Mar 2013 #229

The money is good. Many have Student loans and other debt that it pays off. Knightraven Mar 2013 #230

did you read the article? jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #233

People aren't meant to fuck that hard for that long. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #227