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Solly Mack

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60. Under the ICC

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:46 PM

Mar 2013

The Court can exercise jurisdiction only when: the accused is a national of a state party (ICC member), if the alleged crime took place on the territory of a state party (member state) and/or if referred to the Court by the United Nations Security Council. The UNSC has 5 permanent members (US, China, UK, France, Russian Federation) - any of which can veto an action. So...the US would veto any such undertaking.

A state not party to the ICC can still request the court to investigate by accepting the jurisdiction of the court. How likely is that to happen?

There is still universal jurisdiction, which would allow for other countries prosecuting America's war criminals. If they would just do it. The CAT (Convention Against Torture) requires universal jurisdiction of its signatories.

The US rejects UI, claiming fear of "political prosecutions" by other states. However, the US does claim the right to exercise universal jurisdiction in civil torts for violations of human rights, etc.. Go figure.

The biggest issue is no one (who can) is demanding prosecutions.

Also, we have to factor in all the hypocrisy. Sadly. (Nuremberg-like Trials for some, not for others)

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They Got Away With It. [View all] Solly Mack Mar 2013 OP

One thing I've noticed about BushCo: They were very into making portraits TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #1

I remember that photo. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #4

you mean this cover? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2013 #11

To this day I can't look at that lying, bow-legged, fake-cowboy, chickenhawk, pig-fucker without ... 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #15

summed it up nicely...nt Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #19

I'm not sure I could be as nice as you. Liberal Jesus Freak Mar 2013 #46

What can I say? I'm trying to work on my people skills. 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #70

heheh blm Mar 2013 #126

Really, you shouldn't be so nice when you refer to him AndyA Mar 2013 #56

If we said what we REALLY thought, the Secret Service guys would be coming to visit... lastlib Mar 2013 #122

'like' SaveAmerica Mar 2013 #73

Oh, come on, Bravo, tell us how you really feel! nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #108

That's it. Yeah, they're all just out for a stroll on a lonely Texas backroad... TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #17

"the media ate it up" -- They say that Operation Mockingbird was discontinued. Maybe it wasn't. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #50

Here's the portrait DuhBya will be remembered by alterfurz Mar 2013 #90

and "we" are getting away with it still n/t Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #2

We must look forward, not back. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #3

I always think "Forward to what? It happening again?" Solly Mack Mar 2013 #6

The War Machine has been beating the Iran drums for some time. Initech Mar 2013 #9

As I have said many times over the last four years . . . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #96

K&R nt Zorra Mar 2013 #5

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #7

Indeed... Scuba Mar 2013 #8

I thought to myself "boy, Bush really looks like Butthead" and then I remembered this tularetom Mar 2013 #10

They should be tried at the ICC like the war criminals before them. LittleBlue Mar 2013 #12

The United States is not a member the International Criminal Court. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #24

I know, it's a tragedy LittleBlue Mar 2013 #25

We used to be. Bush removed us from the ICC before the Iraq War. I remember sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #34

Was NAZI Germany? Just asking. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #54

Under the ICC Solly Mack Mar 2013 #60

Technically, those targets of drone killlings are no longer American citizens.. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #104

I wonder who is the committee that decides this? midnight Mar 2013 #120

The Problem is, Only the Leaders of Weak or Defeated Sides are tried for War Crimes Wolf Frankula Mar 2013 #13

True. truebluegreen Mar 2013 #23

If any of the Bush gang leave this country they will be subject to arrest by the World Court. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #107

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #14

That last pic is heartbreaking. reformist2 Mar 2013 #16

I agree. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #29

+1000 Many here agree with what you said. RC Mar 2013 #67

No. Literally nothing. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #113

What you say is only partly true. Profit was also a big motive AikidoSoul Mar 2013 #130

Yes, they did. Also ProSense Mar 2013 #18

The list is long. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #26

Jeez, that first picture looks like something out of a mob drama. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #20

It is and was very surreal. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #31

You guys forgot Ari the Liar.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #21

Didn't forget him. Won't forget any of them. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #28

Yeah..... cactusfractal Mar 2013 #22

Seeing this just makes me hope that a Dem wins in 2016. Lobo27 Mar 2013 #27

So long as it is a Dem who did not aid and abet them. I will never support any Dem who voted sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #37

Presumably, nobody on DU would support any Republican for President cpwm17 Mar 2013 #51

Agreed dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #114

She has no foreign policy experience cpwm17 Mar 2013 #119

Thanks, interesting dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #129

better be an unrepentantly progressive dem by then, because nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #110

I doubt history will be kind to any of them.... Little Star Mar 2013 #30

Crime lords of a magnitude we havent seen since Rex Mar 2013 #32

Cheney and Rumsfeld were part of the Nixon Administration. They were present when sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #40

And with the new recent revelation of Nixon keeping S Vietnam Rex Mar 2013 #43

And here, I thought that shit about Nixon and the Paris talks was old news. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #112

Yes. With recent document releases making it official now. Rex Mar 2013 #128

And Cheney and Iran Contra (while in Congress) Solly Mack Mar 2013 #47

I love how American Dad puts it. Rex Mar 2013 #58

I remember that. Sad how truths are easier told through comedy. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #61

It is a sad commentary on our society. Rex Mar 2013 #62

These dickheads are unintentionally the greatest gift we ever got. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #33

Yes they did ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #35

MISSING A HUGE PART jerfro Mar 2013 #36

I don't excuse them either. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #39

His last letter Milliesmom Mar 2013 #38

Thank You! jerfro Mar 2013 #42

Made me think of this Fumesucker Mar 2013 #41

Yes They Did SamKnause Mar 2013 #44

First pic is dripping with hubris Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #45

They'll die thinking themselves heroes. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #69

Two things that stand out to me from the portrait picture. Cleita Mar 2013 #48

She probably sees herself as loyal and steadfast. I see her as complicit in war crimes. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #49

It looks like a publicity shot for a show about rich, evil assholes, like a Dallas or something. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #57

Exactly! treestar Mar 2013 #78

Not as long as there are people who remember. Octafish Mar 2013 #52

Of all the things that anger people over the invasion/this "anniversary",that they got away with it Solly Mack Mar 2013 #64

Never forget!! brer cat Mar 2013 #53

They would call it freedom blood anyway. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #63

... madamesilverspurs Mar 2013 #55

:( Solly Mack Mar 2013 #65

"They" always get away with it... First Speaker Mar 2013 #59

Oh, I'm pessimistic as well. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #68

I can't look at these pictures cbrer Mar 2013 #66

I'm so sorry. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #86

Sociopaths and idiots are us. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #71

Paul Wolfowitz is missing from this line-up KauaiK Mar 2013 #72

Feith, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Hadley,Gonzales, Mukasey, Myers, Miller Solly Mack Mar 2013 #93

I've been surprised that Ilsa Mar 2013 #74

INDEED...THEY DID...and IT CONTINUES............. KoKo Mar 2013 #75

I came to DU for this not TV shows Ichingcarpenter Mar 2013 #76

I hear you. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #83

That's what they think malaise Mar 2013 #77

Spain and the UK used universal jurisdiction to detain Pinochet. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #82

More Spain than the UK malaise Mar 2013 #85

Yes, Judge Garzon. But that the UK actually held him was a victory for universal jurisdiction. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #87

100% correct malaise Mar 2013 #88

Course, they let him go too. So... Solly Mack Mar 2013 #89

The sad part is that he died without being convicted malaise Mar 2013 #91

And Judge Garzon worked to get him indicted. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #94

Pinochet was scum - he should have died in prison malaise Mar 2013 #97

The picture of the young woman at the grave is so powerful! redstatebluegirl Mar 2013 #79

K&R at least there is a chance that Poodle (Blair) is in trouble. And just might get his arse idwiyo Mar 2013 #80

That would be something! Solly Mack Mar 2013 #81

Have a look at the link to the tread I saw today on DU. There IS going to be at least one lawsuit idwiyo Mar 2013 #84

Sooo repulsive!! Such a terrible nightmare--except it was/is real! hue Mar 2013 #92

At least, for the formal portrait of disgrace, colorado_ufo Mar 2013 #95

Dear God, look at that poor little girl in the third picture. colorado_ufo Mar 2013 #98

Her name is Samar Hassan. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #99

That first photo: Brigid Mar 2013 #100

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SCAMMERS! Just like the WALL STREET CROWD OF BANKERS! KoKo Mar 2013 #102

Change You Can BeLIEve In! blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #103

may they be haunted beyond eternity. spanone Mar 2013 #105

K&R ReRe Mar 2013 #106

Team Obama will get 'em upi402 Mar 2013 #109

And They Lived Happily Ever After. jsr Mar 2013 #111

Victory of the Loud Little Handful Gabby Hayes Mar 2013 #115

That is a sadly truthful statement. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #121

And we helped them. Yes, us. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #116

Seven war Madmiddle Mar 2013 #117

Excellent reminder Solly Mack samplegirl Mar 2013 #118

yes they did and Obama escalated Afghanistan as well as the use of drones xiamiam Mar 2013 #123

Posing for history books? lolly Mar 2013 #124

I can't believe how angry I still am about it ellie Mar 2013 #125

For now. Berlum Mar 2013 #127