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69. If one willingly belongs to a homophobic sexist organization, donating $$ and time

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Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:20 PM

Mar 2013

then they are fair game to be called on that.

Citizenship in a country isn't anything like a voluntary membership.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Fresh_Start Mar 2013 OP

Stupid analogy is stupid... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #1

So financial sacrifice is too big... Fresh_Start Mar 2013 #2

Leaving the country is a big emotional sacrifice, social/family JanMichael Mar 2013 #8

I made no such sacrifice in leaving the Catholic Church ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #82

So you bash others for not making the same choice you did? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #3

I'm not even asking people to leave the church entirely, just don't financially support it... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #11

In case you have missed the news nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #49

Yes. It's none of your business. No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #74

Of course its my business, that money goes to support atrocious things and is used... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #77

By that reasoning it would be my business No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #84

If I was putting money into a group to try to ban your religion it would be your business.nt Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #85

Are you doing that? Cleita Mar 2013 #159

When the RCC stops interfering with MY freedom of religion and speech and pursuit of happiness MNBrewer Mar 2013 #100

"No one here asks your approval to do anything." JVS Mar 2013 #203

Unfortunately, the shit they are flipping are to DUers who do not support the institution Cleita Mar 2013 #217

for nadinbrzezinski CountAllVotes Mar 2013 #28

Nobody's freedom of religion has been under threat here . . . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #83

You're own words have said it. Yes, it is under attack. Cleita Mar 2013 #119

The First Amendment preserves your right to practice whatever religion you want . . . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #156

Well, that will be hard for you considering I don't practice any religion. Cleita Mar 2013 #157

I'm not calling anybody out . . . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #166

Do you acknowledge that women and gays are under attack by the Church? Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #171

The Opus Dei followers are. Cleita Mar 2013 #184

This is my guide in some ways nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #167

So the Catholic Church comes after women and gays and, what, we're supposed to remain silent? Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #177

And I will join you in being critical of the *HIERARCHY* every day of the week nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #181

I have criticized the church hierarchy & its policies, and so have 99 percent of anti-Church DUers. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #183

Take it with the administrators nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #186

Yeah. Vatican II was 50 years ago. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #189

You seem incapable of understanding where that came from nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #190

Catholic Church hierarchy bigots who repress women and gays = a-okay. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #191

Simplistic. aquart Mar 2013 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #226

Niemoller was chastising German citizens for blithely standing by, not speaking out riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #187

Yep. aquart Mar 2013 #204

Same OP said I don't belong on DU because I don't share the same religious views Cleita Mar 2013 #42

No its because you defend the homophobic bigotry of the Church and are dismissive... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #50

When did I defend that? Cleita Mar 2013 #51

In the thread you started. Especially liked the dismissal of LGBT suicides as "that's life". Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #55

I didn't dismiss a LGBT suicide. You said it was because of Mormons. I dismissed your Cleita Mar 2013 #61

You also said made mention of lifestyles and choices. Keep digging that hole. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #62

You made the claim that the church is not anti gay and that it is not mistreatment of gay people to Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #168

Which OP?? JanMichael Mar 2013 #86

I guess unless you can't follow posts and replies to them. Cleita Mar 2013 #90

oh cut it out, you have "known" me as long as I have JanMichael Mar 2013 #94

I didn't call you a Catholic basher. I was answering Nadine's post about another Cleita Mar 2013 #101

I know JanMichael Mar 2013 #106

Yet, an unusually high percentage of the clergy are gay and openly so. Cleita Mar 2013 #108

"The Catholic Church isn't always kind to anyone's civil rights." JanMichael Mar 2013 #109

Yes, but why dismiss every Catholic and every good thing they did because there Cleita Mar 2013 #116

I never have. Most DUers have not JanMichael Mar 2013 #121

Here's the difference. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #172

Aww, you are shocked that LGBT people aren't kind to a homophobic organization that tries to... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #110

I have never known a Catholic to be openly hostile to gays, ever. Cleita Mar 2013 #114

I have, and on more than one occasion. MineralMan Mar 2013 #120

That's ok, according to Cleita, gays don't commit suicide due to societal pressure from churches... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #129

You know if you are going to repeat what I say, let me make a suggestion. Cleita Mar 2013 #153

OK, though I already pasted it elsewhere... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #202

Did you tell them to cut it out? Or did you sit back and say nothing? Cleita Mar 2013 #137

I did tell that person, yes. MineralMan Mar 2013 #139

No, but good on you. Cleita Mar 2013 #143

He got many such letters. MineralMan Mar 2013 #149

That I didn't miss, but Catholics weren't the only ones. Cleita Mar 2013 #151

"Everybody's Doing It" is not an excuse. MineralMan Mar 2013 #209

Now I'm a child? Cleita Mar 2013 #214

Oh, dear. I did not call you a child. MineralMan Mar 2013 #215

Oh, don't try to wriggle out of it. A child makes a childish argument. Cleita Mar 2013 #219

I'm done with this subthread. MineralMan Mar 2013 #220

Lots of Americans hated Gays, not just religious Americans. But those of us who learned at an sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #213

I have JanMichael Mar 2013 #132

I never have, but then I avoid people who have displayed open Cleita Mar 2013 #135

My wife bartended JanMichael Mar 2013 #141

It's too bad she had to put up with that crap from the boss. Cleita Mar 2013 #147

Hard to avoid your own mom like in my case.... nt riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #146

I had toxic relatives too. Fortunately, I outlived them all. n/t Cleita Mar 2013 #148

If that happened the church would lose a power and influence ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #89

Lacking understanding of what that schism would bring I see. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #134

I can guarantee you the US would not have a civil war over this ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #136

You think the world is limited to the United States? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #138

What country would? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #142

Son...you really are blind if you think a schism nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #145

Why are you so insulting? zappaman Mar 2013 #150

Nadin, you are terrific! When I read some of these posts, I corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #161

Myself I think we are back 50 years. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #162

"...so really, just shut up about it." WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #5

Then you just illustrate your ignorance on the subject then. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #18

You are correct. earthside Mar 2013 #15

Exactly, we bash those who financially support many organizations that are bigoted... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #19

Why do you bash? No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #87

Are you fucking kidding me? Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #91

I return hours later (doing taxes, visiting with family, watching TV) No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #195

I apologize for the insult. It was largely uncalled for. Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #201

Apparently according to him, yes. Cleita Mar 2013 #163

"What gives you the right to decide other peoples choices?" Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #175

Pretty much Johonny Mar 2013 #39

Telling another member of this site to shut up is not appropriate. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #52

stupid analogy IS stupid.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #81

Stupid retort is intellectually dishonest. DirkGently Mar 2013 #154

That's just an excuse. Millions of people with few resources leave their countries sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #212

What is Catholic bashing? upaloopa Mar 2013 #4

No, telling all Catholics they're supporting child rape is Catholic bashing. DirkGently Mar 2013 #155

There are very few bashers of Catholics on DU. MineralMan Mar 2013 #6

Thank you JanMichael Mar 2013 #12

+1000. nt. OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #40

That is simply not true - DU has been laden with posts calling Catholic laity "enablers of child Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #57

The people you mention are few. MineralMan Mar 2013 #75

Well, there's one posting immediately below you... N.T... Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #197

Yes, I see that. One does not make a crowd. MineralMan Mar 2013 #208

Every time you put a dollar in the collection plate, you're bankrolling hate. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #160

CORRECT!!!! Skittles Mar 2013 #60

There are more than enough. cordelia Mar 2013 #123

I used that verse to illustrate why I MineralMan Mar 2013 #128

What recourse do Catholics have to change the church from inside? LAGC Mar 2013 #7

There is none, which is why the whole thing is a nonsense excuse Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #35

There is recourse apparently. There was a liberal priest Cleita Mar 2013 #43

If that were true, the Church would have changed their doctrine regarding contraception. smokey nj Mar 2013 #63

how do they indicate they want things changed? RainDog Mar 2013 #68

The can do it at their parishes. Cleita Mar 2013 #71

Did you know collection plates are pretty empty these days? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #164

In the meantime they should stop trying to shove their medieval idiocy into U.S. public policy. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #174

If you don't fight for separation of Church and State and I am definitely into that, Cleita Mar 2013 #182

Let me ask this another way nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #158

Precisely HockeyMom Mar 2013 #206

On the saddest day of my life the catholic church was there in a totally useless way.I don't blame.. Tikki Mar 2013 #9

Thank you. Like all institutions, especially ones that have been around for a few millennia, Cleita Mar 2013 #10

That's all well and good, and I agree...but, I have seen very few JanMichael Mar 2013 #14

I was just told this afternoon that I don't belong on DU because apparently Cleita Mar 2013 #45

Read this sub-thread. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #54

Refusing to allow birth control is not a cause JanMichael Mar 2013 #59

This is where you are wrong. Catholics do allow family planning, not Cleita Mar 2013 #67

Vatican clarifies pope's condom comments: Nothing's changed RainDog Mar 2013 #70

But he didn't throw the whole concept out and say no condoms ever for anyone. Cleita Mar 2013 #72

Personally, they can say whatever they'd like RainDog Mar 2013 #78

I personally don't go near Church of any sort unless for a funeral or something like Cleita Mar 2013 #88

Yes. Bush began giving money to churches and Obama has continued that same group. RainDog Mar 2013 #99

I don't think Cleita or any DUers are "lying" on these issues JanMichael Mar 2013 #76

This was the statement that they had found an exception for condoms RainDog Mar 2013 #79

Cleita was lying about the Church not being bigoted. nt Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #93

Stop calling me a liar and all the other Cleita Mar 2013 #102

You are the one who defends the indefensible, I have a question, do you think being gay is a choice? Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #107

Two guys or girls forming a partnership and living together is a gay lifestyle Cleita Mar 2013 #111

Really? Then explain this post... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #117

What don't you understand? If you don't like the word then you are the jackass. Cleita Mar 2013 #131

That was a very sickening and insulting post, Cleita. I say that as a straight person. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #173

ugh Marrah_G Mar 2013 #221

The term gay lifestyle is deeply offensive. It is not a term used by gay people. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #169

I apologize to you but not to the guy who called me a jackass and said I don't belong on Cleita Mar 2013 #180

So you make this big fuss defending bigoted Catholics, and when called out on your own GLBT language riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #185

They are telling me that I'm not good enough for them because I refuse Cleita Mar 2013 #188

Your posts just leave me shaking my head Marrah_G Mar 2013 #223

Can I ask you something? sibelian Mar 2013 #199

No, just a friend to many gays who gets really pissed off at apologists for bigotry. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #200

oh puhlease. what an inane and dishonest argument La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #13

It's an attack to make their own choices palpable. RainDog Mar 2013 #44

... La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #104

Plus one million. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #194

Horrible analogy... MellowDem Mar 2013 #16

The church is still waging war--on women and on gays, in modern times. Here you go: Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #17

But....But.... MellowDem Mar 2013 #20

There's even members who argue the church isn't bigoted! n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #21

Then they should become Episcopalians JanMichael Mar 2013 #24

As one of "The Frozen Chosen" or "Catholic Lite", I resemble that remark.... Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #58

+1 Yes, true BUT I was just told in another thread RCC is the biggest charity provider in US, idwiyo Mar 2013 #73

65% of the funds Catholic Charities uses comes from Federal Tax revenues, not the Church Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #170

Anyone that is calling Catholics defective as a group is a fool. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #22

I had to sit through a few wedding masses where I basically got called a helpmate Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #25

My reaction was different. Aren't the differences between people beautiful as long bluestate10 Mar 2013 #125

Let me ask you this. Are you a woman or a man? Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #130

A "helpmate"?! sibelian Mar 2013 #198

Basically, they mean "property." MineralMan Mar 2013 #224

Basically, as a woman, I'm an accessory to a man valuable only for my Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #225

Analogies are never perfect caraher Mar 2013 #23

Can you exempt those also who don't meet JanMichael Mar 2013 #26

I'll allow whatever you like caraher Mar 2013 #30

How did you decide that it's like "choosing coke or pepsi" for me? JanMichael Mar 2013 #34

You're right that I can't know that's what it's like for you caraher Mar 2013 #140

I also think I'm largely with you on Catholicism caraher Mar 2013 #33

Based on what? Unfamiliarity? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #152

Good question caraher Mar 2013 #207

Actually, leaving the Church doesn't even require THAT much effort. Nevernose Mar 2013 #64

Or belong to any of the other treestar Mar 2013 #27

... progressoid Mar 2013 #29

Can we agree that it's unacceptable to bash people for being Catholics but geek tragedy Mar 2013 #31

While I personally do not criticize individuals, this is a flawed distinction Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #37

this is flamebait, right from the "loaded premise" in the subject line Kolesar Mar 2013 #32

A better analogy would be the Republican Party. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #36

I bash the hierarchy. Ichingcarpenter Mar 2013 #38

This paragraph describes "legacy Catholics," how the official numbers are inflated: UTUSN Mar 2013 #41

We want more XRubicon Mar 2013 #46

So, you don't like the legitimate and well-deserved criticism being handed out to the RCC.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #47

Nearly complete fail. False analogy and substance free. How about this, you go to your church and Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #48

I've long since left the Catholic Church, but strongly object to the tone of DU Fresh_Start Mar 2013 #53

I was ready to walk away from any more posts about this RainDog Mar 2013 #65

why did you leave the church ? 4 t 4 Mar 2013 #113

I left the church over its policies Fresh_Start Mar 2013 #228

Where's unrec when we need it? backscatter712 Mar 2013 #56

Wait...what? Apophis Mar 2013 #66

If one willingly belongs to a homophobic sexist organization, donating $$ and time riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #69

"willingly"?? DCBob Mar 2013 #96

Yes, I used that word "willingly" specifically. Of course one can leave any organization riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #144

I see. So, because they were raised in the church Zoeisright Mar 2013 #193

If I could save up the money to emigrate to Canada easily I would ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #80

How much do you need? No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #92

It is. You have to apply, have so much in savings JanMichael Mar 2013 #98

I doubt people who are making this claim RainDog Mar 2013 #105

One would think Americans, with all the "illegals" JanMichael Mar 2013 #115

There are points assigned for different things RainDog Mar 2013 #122

Depends on the Province JanMichael Mar 2013 #127

Yes. It is - the health care system. RainDog Mar 2013 #133

It's not like just moving to a neighboring state ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #103

For most countries I looked at in the past RainDog Mar 2013 #112

We run into ex-Catholics JanMichael Mar 2013 #118

Yeah I know plenty at my church too ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #124

Leave it to someone who belongs to the church that espouses gay hatred and is a safe harbor... Walk away Mar 2013 #95

I did not realize I lived in a 95% catholic country nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #165

It's really very different MNBrewer Mar 2013 #97

Swing and miss. Deep13 Mar 2013 #126

If I follow their logic then I would have to say there isn't a single good person on this Earth. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #176

All the Catholic bashers can't be pedophiles The Second Stone Mar 2013 #178

good point. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #179

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Zoeisright Mar 2013 #192

I have read enough of your posts. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #196

I have to agree. It is pretty laughable. Walk away Mar 2013 #211

Only if they are invested in or support Wall St. raouldukelives Mar 2013 #210

What about the Democratic party? hughee99 Mar 2013 #216

Stupid, false analogy Marrah_G Mar 2013 #218

How do you know that they know it? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #227

There is a difference between Catholic Bashing and Vatican Bashing Taverner Mar 2013 #222

I treat all religions with equal disdain. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #229

I hope all the people that start divisive threads are not hypocrites. Rex Mar 2013 #230