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84. That may depend on which state you live in. ...

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:52 PM

Mar 2013

I lived in the Tampa Bay Area of Florida for 37 years. Most of my neighbors and co-workers owned firearms and quite a few of my co-workers had concealed carry licenses.

Of course I anticipate the mandatory derogatory comments about Florida so I will post this article.

Florida firearm violence hits record low; concealed gun permits up
Debate continues over relationship between guns and crime

By JACOB CARPENTER
Posted January 6, 2013 at 5:15 a.m.

In the so-called Gunshine State, home to the most gun permits in the country, firearm violence has fallen to the lowest point on record.

As state and national legislators consider gun control laws in the wake of last month's Connecticut school shooting, Florida finds itself in a gun violence depression. The Firearm-involved violent crime rate has dropped 33 percent between 2007 and 2011, while the number of issued concealed weapons permits rose nearly 90 percent during that time, state records show.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2013/jan/06/fla-firearm-violence-hits-record-low/

Now I do agree with the rest of the article that it the fact that gun violence and crime has fallen in Florida can not be solely attributed to more guns and more concealed weapons permits. The crime equation has many factors. However it should be obvious that more guns and carry permits did not lead to more gun violence in the "Gunshine State."

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Real tough guys don't need guns, they just need a positive, can-do attitude. [View all] Robb Mar 2013 OP

Tough Australians proved that in 1996. If we tried legislation like that here, gun cultists Hoyt Mar 2013 #1

curled up in a fetal position mwrguy Mar 2013 #15

That's cute and all, MadHound Mar 2013 #2

How many rabid skunks are in your backyard? BainsBane Mar 2013 #3

Actually the population of rabid skunks is rising, MadHound Mar 2013 #4

Okay, do you mind if I ask BainsBane Mar 2013 #7

I live in Missouri, MadHound Mar 2013 #11

stinky critters BainsBane Mar 2013 #14

I see skunks all the time in Conn. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #18

tomato juice BainsBane Mar 2013 #19

getting the smell out wasn't the hard part. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #20

Kitties never want baths. BainsBane Mar 2013 #22

Not to mention you don't want to spread the blood. nt NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #16

A shotgun is a whole hell of a lot more powerful than a .22 LAGC Mar 2013 #5

no, I'm not suggesting either should be banned BainsBane Mar 2013 #6

Oh okay. LAGC Mar 2013 #8

nor do I BainsBane Mar 2013 #9

Indeed. LAGC Mar 2013 #10

I wish gun proponents BainsBane Mar 2013 #13

Consitutional rights should be the same regardless of where you live. hack89 Mar 2013 #25

they are BainsBane Mar 2013 #29

States cannot restrict rights beyond what the Supreme Court says hack89 Mar 2013 #35

We are no longer called Murderapolis BainsBane Mar 2013 #48

People in rural areas have similar feelings NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #54

No city has ever sought to impose a state wide ban BainsBane Mar 2013 #55

And obviously I disagree with you. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #56

not in all states BainsBane Mar 2013 #57

Obviously I base my position off places I have lived. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #58

what states arrest people for unregistered guns? BainsBane Mar 2013 #59

No, some states including mine have bills that make it a felony. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #61

I suspect that is highly unusual BainsBane Mar 2013 #62

Perhaps you see my concern. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #64

an inherited gun would constitute a transfer BainsBane Mar 2013 #66

I think the other laws proposed would get you there. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #69

perhaps BainsBane Mar 2013 #70

That is a proposal in the state that I expect will pass. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #72

here in MN they've taken background checks BainsBane Mar 2013 #74

And I expect handguns to be a focus. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #76

Or, as with cars BainsBane Mar 2013 #68

Registration wouldn't help track most crimes. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #60

I would think it would be beneficial to law enforcement BainsBane Mar 2013 #63

Only if you aquired the gun from the crime scene. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #65

Can't ballistics tell you the type of gun? BainsBane Mar 2013 #67

The ballistics requires you to fire each gun into a water tank NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #71

for a precise match BainsBane Mar 2013 #73

Oh yeah, but what good would that do? NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #75

narrows it down a bit, I guess. BainsBane Mar 2013 #78

That can be done now if the bullet stays intact NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #80

in that case, you don't have ballistics readings period. BainsBane Mar 2013 #81

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #87

No, you don't BainsBane Mar 2013 #89

And you in turn will leave us alone? hack89 Mar 2013 #90

if only everyone were white and prosperous BainsBane Mar 2013 #91

Looks like our pal hack has re-discovered that he's NOT a "gun control advocate" after all... apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #52

I'll give you one guess. BainsBane Mar 2013 #53

States don't have their own Bay Boy Mar 2013 #31

They cannot violate Roe v Wade hack89 Mar 2013 #37

they are currently trying BainsBane Mar 2013 #77

States and cities pass unconstitutional laws all the time hack89 Mar 2013 #88

That may depend on which state you live in. ... spin Mar 2013 #84

If we want to attack crime, we should be banning .22 pistols, not shotguns. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #21

Heller prohibits handgun bans BainsBane Mar 2013 #24

Yeah, and that's a problem because people are being murdered with .22 pistols and revolvers Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #26

they are murdered with both BainsBane Mar 2013 #30

Cops had to pop one last year, two houses down. krispos42 Mar 2013 #39

I wonder what the cause is? BainsBane Mar 2013 #47

We used to have mountain lions and other top predators. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #49

Let me get this straight - Because some trivial # of rabid skunks might root through the garbage baldguy Mar 2013 #23

K&R thank you for posting this. I needed a laugh and this one is sure funny. idwiyo Mar 2013 #33

Rabid Skunks!!! That settles it! I'll go out and buy a gun just for that purpose alone! devilgrrl Mar 2013 #27

Do you live in a rural area? NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #28

I do not but I am aware that guns are useful in ridding predators and various other critters devilgrrl Mar 2013 #32

Yeah, most cities don't allow discharges of firearms within their boundaries. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #36

Not everybody lives in the city, many folks live in the country, MadHound Mar 2013 #92

Really? No way. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #93

Then stop posting condescending replies, OK. MadHound Mar 2013 #94

Your insinuating people can't tell the difference between machismo and necessity is condescending. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #95

Given the tone and tenor of many of the posts about guns, it seemed that the point needed to be made MadHound Mar 2013 #96

Well, I hope you don't have to deal with any rabid animals and that the situation improves. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #97

I love the smell of skunk in the morning. I hate the smell of a bullet in a private citizens gun graham4anything Mar 2013 #50

You forgot the important one.... whistler162 Mar 2013 #12

Yep, tough guys like the French Resistance didn't need guns. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #17

WTF French Resistance have to do with any of this? Are you expecting invasion from Canada or Mexico? idwiyo Mar 2013 #34

The poster is trying to paint people who think we need some rational gun control as Nazis baldguy Mar 2013 #38

Oh, you mean he is one of those... I'll leave him to his delusions than. :) idwiyo Mar 2013 #41

Nope, actually a staunch gun control advocate. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #45

I'd compare gun owners to Catholics on DU. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #44

You will actually find that I am a strong supporter of strict gun control. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #46

I apologise for misunderstanding but really in context you did sound like one of them crazies. idwiyo Mar 2013 #83

On the contrary, I would welcome our maple overlords. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #85

LOL. You'd like EU/UN even better. idwiyo Mar 2013 #86

I've been expecting them to take over for years! freshwest Mar 2013 #98

The UN better not try genociding me!!! Iggo Mar 2013 #40

No genociding BUT you will not be able to openly preach homophobia. It's will be against the law. idwiyo Mar 2013 #42

What I'm saying is the OP implies that tough guys never need firearms. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #43

A few nights ago I saw a pro-gun control advocate with a Che Guevera avatar Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #79

You gotta be kidding... Seriously? Damn, my head is spinning. idwiyo Mar 2013 #82

LOL malaise Mar 2013 #51

Hilarious! Electric Monk Mar 2013 #99