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riderinthestorm

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221. I have addressed your point, and so have a thousand other threads. You have chosen to NOT see them

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM

Mar 2013

obviously.

Exploitation? Degrading working conditions? Being objectified as a female in the workplace? Forced into "choosing" a "career" and lifestyle because there are no other options??

IT workplace outsourcing, can't find a job and working at big box stores, retail jobs for minimum wage, McDonalds, can't find a job after 50... really? You've missed all of these threads? Its not that people "shouldn't" be doing these jobs - its that our society and our culture has degraded to such a point that people feel there aren't alternatives. There will always be that percentage of the population who drift into these jobs. I acknowledge that. I would stipulate however that the majority of sex workers didn't wake up and decide that a career in porn movies would be FANTASTIC and set about achieving that career goal as a life dream. Would you encourage your own daughter to risk a uterine prolapse, internal hemorrhaging, bodily injury (and worse) to be a porn "star"?

I haven't taken a position that porn is a "horrible awful thing that no one ought to do". MY position is that degrading and painful work is detrimental to our culture and society and we shouldn't tolerate it - for a barmaid or anyone, male or female. And that its exploitative to assume that's an okay workplace.

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Making Porn hurts like hell [View all] n2doc Mar 2013 OP

It is a difficult life even in the best of circumstances. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #1

Message auto-removed C.H.O.M.P.S. Mar 2013 #2

Really. LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #14

Message auto-removed C.H.O.M.P.S. Mar 2013 #18

They may be related... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #21

Yes, I think boys are watching it from a young age LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #23

It's not to blame for everything, but the kind of stuff described in the article geek tragedy Mar 2013 #22

I'm going to say it does MattBaggins Mar 2013 #36

I'm pretty sure there's other lines of work if they don't like it. Apophis Mar 2013 #3

Please tell me you forgot your sarcasm tag MattBaggins Mar 2013 #4

Naw, this is how DU is Scootaloo Mar 2013 #9

LMFAO!!! hrmjustin Mar 2013 #29

Nope. Apophis Mar 2013 #10

no. he has made clear the last couple day, there is not much concern for womens issues. seabeyond Mar 2013 #13

It's quite clear you didn't read the article. Apophis Mar 2013 #15

Her point was that making porn is harder than it looks, not that it's evil, SpartanDem Mar 2013 #28

i didnt say anything about evil, but then you knew that, simply reading my post. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki Mar 2013 #174

ditto Bucky Mar 2013 #220

Just like those coal miners, and sweatshop workers bhikkhu Mar 2013 #5

Yeah... Apophis Mar 2013 #11

Wow that is insensitive. MattBaggins Mar 2013 #16

why no consideration fro a porn worker, but for a coal worker? what are you saying? nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #33

I hope you do not last long. How rude of you! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #55

Agree Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #68

It's rude to point out if someone doesn't like their job to get a new one? Apophis Mar 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #160

Wow. Apophis Mar 2013 #164

All because you don't think past the end of your own nose. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #167

... Apophis Mar 2013 #168

Good to see that I've made my point. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #169

You have no point. Apophis Mar 2013 #171

You're the one attacking. Guess people who are having their salaries cut shouldn't complain either. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #172

I don't agree with that, no. Apophis Mar 2013 #178

It's perfectly acceptable to suggest that prostitutes should LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #181

I'm not the one that suggested they seek other employment. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #182

It wasn't an attack LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #183

I have not seen any posts regarding prostitution, so I can't answer your question. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #184

That's exactly what I just asked you about prostitutes n/t LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #185

Why are defending someone who suggests that you look for a new job? devilgrrl Mar 2013 #188

I asked a question LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #191

I answered your lame question. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #192

No, you didn't but OK LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #193

No. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #197

Thought not LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #198

I was confused about your point. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #209

Fair enough. LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #212

So basically you're saying if you don't like the job find something else. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #189

there was a time they were little girls , little innocent girls with fathers, they grew up 4 t 4 Mar 2013 #199

What are you talking about? LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #202

thats what I was thinking...and I am not a man either???? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #228

Really. Such as. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #56

Well, sure. Because most women in porn have tons of other options. They are really likely Squinch Mar 2013 #131

... Apophis Mar 2013 #142

This is a smilie. This is your brain on smilies. Squinch Mar 2013 #148

You're assuming the women are too stupid for college. Apophis Mar 2013 #162

Yes. Squinch Mar 2013 #163

Aurora Snow... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2013 #175

so many women that you speak 4 t 4 Mar 2013 #200

If you'd stop watching it, I'm sure they'd find something else. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #159

... Apophis Mar 2013 #165

Yeah. You roll those eyes. devilgrrl Mar 2013 #166

Not to mention the resistance to even something simple as condom laws. MattBaggins Mar 2013 #6

Condoms as PPE: LOL ... eom Kolesar Mar 2013 #8

Why is that LoL? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #17

Because of all the corporate training we get against electrocution and arc flash: Kolesar Mar 2013 #89

You think disease prevention is funny? nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #20

Nothing is funnier than the spread of disease, shame, and early death Kolesar Mar 2013 #90

I don't think people intentionally go into porn - they just sort of end up in it tjwash Mar 2013 #7

Well there has to be that one moment when some dude says "will you do this for $1000"? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #40

Pretty sure this isn't Libertarian underground MattBaggins Mar 2013 #45

I believe in worker rights and safety regulations for every industry. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #46

I believe the poster was making the clear implication that pornography is rarely a choice LanternWaste Mar 2013 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author WinniSkipper Mar 2013 #207

well gee no kidding Skittles Mar 2013 #12

+100 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #73

And the enjoyment of watching it, when we all know it would hurt like hell, is not at all twisted. Squinch Mar 2013 #132

What a wonderful, pro-woman industry. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #19

and yet she still chooses to do it SpartanDem Mar 2013 #24

So? That doesn't redeem the industry. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #25

It's her and coworkers body SpartanDem Mar 2013 #26

No one's judging her any more than people geek tragedy Mar 2013 #27

Which is it? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #31

The kind of "progressive" who thinks being "progressive" means telling consenting adults what they EOTE Mar 2013 #95

Dishonest talking point. No one is proposing banning the possession of pornography. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #96

I'm not asking anyone to approve of porn, but to say that there are none here calling for the EOTE Mar 2013 #99

I'm gonna guess you don't have a link to this big movement here to ban porn. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #103

Derp. I never said anything about legislation in the U.S. to ban porn. EOTE Mar 2013 #104

Okay, which Scandinavian country? geek tragedy Mar 2013 #105

Christ, you need much, much practice. EOTE Mar 2013 #106

You claimed that there were a significant number of people geek tragedy Mar 2013 #114

Who the fuck is crying "first amendment"? EOTE Mar 2013 #115

heh, you jumped in complainng about authoritarians telling people geek tragedy Mar 2013 #117

And fail number four, you seem to be quite adept at failing. EOTE Mar 2013 #120

Your exact words: geek tragedy Mar 2013 #122

What the fuck does that have to do with the first amendment? EOTE Mar 2013 #124

So, you admit that your initial statement in this thread about geek tragedy Mar 2013 #125

Nope, your reading skills haven't improved in the past 10 minutes. I'd suggest a bit more time. EOTE Mar 2013 #128

Heh. Whatever myths you need to tell yourself to object geek tragedy Mar 2013 #130

ROFL ROFL snooper2 Mar 2013 #140

doesn't this sound like: Whisp Mar 2013 #201

The comparison to Wayne Lapierre is not by accident. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #204

Who has called for banning porn here? Squinch Mar 2013 #134

Quite a number of people. NT EOTE Mar 2013 #136

Give an example of "quite a number of people." Squinch Mar 2013 #137

Here's an example. EOTE Mar 2013 #138

She's proposing limiting porn to non-commercial porn. Squinch Mar 2013 #139

She's stating that she'd ban commercial porn. EOTE Mar 2013 #141

I don't see any call to ban porn in post #5. What makes you think this is a call to ban porn? Squinch Mar 2013 #144

Someone complains about Iceland's law and she's defending it. EOTE Mar 2013 #147

At no point in that example did she even come close to calling for a ban on porn. I am not Squinch Mar 2013 #150

No, she just thinks that a ban on porn would be great. EOTE Mar 2013 #151

Don't know why you think she thinks a ban on porn would be great, because she never said that. Squinch Mar 2013 #152

She's defending the potential ban, that's pretty obvious. EOTE Mar 2013 #153

Again, she's doing nothing of the sort. She isn't addressing porn at all. Squinch Mar 2013 #154

She's responding to a post about pornography being banned in Iceland, are you unaware of this? EOTE Mar 2013 #155

No, that's not what she's saying. And you are right. If the examples are instances of you divining Squinch Mar 2013 #156

Uh huh. And calling for a ban of "commercial porn" is not the same thing as calling for banning EOTE Mar 2013 #179

"Consenting adults" make most of our electronics in slave labor conditions. riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #100

Do I think that those slave laborers should not have a right to a job? EOTE Mar 2013 #101

Your the one who made the slam about "authoritarians" and "consenting adults" riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #107

My issue is with those who try to tell others what they can and can't do. EOTE Mar 2013 #111

My issue with this are those who try to shut down discussion of the painful realities riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #127

I have no issues with those who want to discuss any realities, painful or otherwise. EOTE Mar 2013 #129

And what is wrong with the nanny state? kwassa Mar 2013 #217

"Nanny state" may be a euphemism for anti-regulation. EOTE Mar 2013 #223

I disagree. kwassa Mar 2013 #224

I said "when it doesn't hurt others" EOTE Mar 2013 #232

when you can tell me what woman men are getting off on are willing, which are forced thru sex slaves seabeyond Mar 2013 #108

Professionally produced porn is very well documented. EOTE Mar 2013 #110

And how cute that you think providing a link to a google search is evidence of anything. EOTE Mar 2013 #113

you denying that there is a huge problem with sex slaves in the porn world of the net? seabeyond Mar 2013 #116

I'm denying that commercially produced porn has a problem with sex slaves. EOTE Mar 2013 #118

this is the porn that all the men getting off on are watching? good dodge. still leaves sex slavery seabeyond Mar 2013 #123

So, you suggest getting rid of illegal, underground porn? EOTE Mar 2013 #126

Do McDonald's workers get PTSD from working there? nt redqueen Mar 2013 #109

I guess that depends on how much time they spend by the fryer. EOTE Mar 2013 #112

Wow. Stunning disregard. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #119

I know. That you could be so incredibly callous for fast food workers is very troubling. EOTE Mar 2013 #121

Being the authoritarian I am, I stop at stop signs. LanternWaste Mar 2013 #176

Those who give a fuck what other consenting adults do are one authoritarian demographic. EOTE Mar 2013 #180

As a medic we treated both people in the industry nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #30

careful, nadin Skittles Mar 2013 #51

If I could get more graphic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #63

the dark sense of humor is a coping mechanism - perfectly normal Skittles Mar 2013 #64

Oh I know, but it can be socially problematic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #65

LOL yes I bet :) Skittles Mar 2013 #72

Your words about this 19 year old girl is so sad. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #59

Wow. zappaman Mar 2013 #196

After reading the article mythology Mar 2013 #34

Porn is fantasy stuff Warpy Mar 2013 #35

Porn is fantasy stuff and can be easily done now with computer animation KittyWampus Mar 2013 #66

Then get a new job. LisaL Mar 2013 #37

Lets ban porn then, I'm sure the cartels that will step in to fill the void will improve conditions. Kurska Mar 2013 #38

If a woman wants to do this, would it be "benevolent sexism" to try to stop her, for her own good? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #39

Banning porn is not likely workable, due to the Internet, lack of justiciable standards etc. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #41

Simple work place protections are difficult? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #43

No, I fully support that. Mandatory regular STD checks for everyone involved, for one thing (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #47

And others MattBaggins Mar 2013 #50

They are testing for STDs. LisaL Mar 2013 #81

If we change shame based exploitative sexuality that to much porn is about ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #71

Sounds like a pain in the ass. TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #42

Well cry me a fucking river, I'd rather dig a fucking ditch! Find something else to do. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #44

I met a porn star at an editing studio one time flamingdem Mar 2013 #48

I don't have a wiki page snooper2 Mar 2013 #49

A porn name based on not one but two DISNEY characters...... Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #52

I thought that she based it on two Alpha Flight characters. Orrex Mar 2013 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author datasuspect Mar 2013 #94

This country needs better protections for workers. Period. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #53

Is this pornographer evil? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #54

Does she provide safe working environments for her actors? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #60

Are young women being torn up inside, literally, making her movies? Squinch Mar 2013 #205

Gross. There are much more pleasant ways to earn money. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #57

Creepers and freepers jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #58

How can people whack it to this crap, knowing how much pain it causes. Evoman Mar 2013 #62

Sadly, the sick fucks who get off of that stuff would probably enjoy geek tragedy Mar 2013 #69

I wish I could find a collection of quotes from pornographers redqueen Mar 2013 #76

Sea had linked to this ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #78

Found it! "The Cruelty of the Pornographers' Speech" redqueen Mar 2013 #92

The tragedy is not that sick fucks like it but that most men like it. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #84

Not just "whack it". Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #74

Hey, women whack it too. Evoman Mar 2013 #75

"I doubt many women get off watching the really gross shit." Ghost in the Machine Mar 2013 #231

Wackhing or working through her past? Evoman Mar 2013 #234

wow with all the disrespectful posts on here I'm wondering if some here on DU secretly think liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #67

This woman voluntarily entered the profession. LisaL Mar 2013 #80

You do realize the woman who wrote this now directs hardcore anal films snooper2 Mar 2013 #146

What is the significance of that to you? I don't understand what you are getting at. Squinch Mar 2013 #206

Or maybe they know it is a complicated and nuanced issue: Hissyspit Mar 2013 #210

This is a deeply flawed study, with a small sample of self-selected participants riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #216

I'm aware of that. Hissyspit Mar 2013 #218

a regulated legal career that drags down and drives their underground side into baby raper films Sunlei Mar 2013 #70

There are lots of good reasons to not choose adult movies as a career. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #79

So does crab fishing, roughnecking, truck driving, rigging, contact sports, opiate69 Mar 2013 #82

Porn company sued over penis injections TriMix Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #83

Of course it does. However porn is a symptom, not the disease. In the Chomsky interview posted Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #85

I guess not too many in the thread managed to read the last paragraph. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #86

Most people who turn their hobby into a career end up at least somewhat disillusioned Fumesucker Mar 2013 #87

I also hear tell that when you watch, say, a dinner on Downton Abbey Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #91

I'm not going to say much beyond that I find this incredibly depressing cali Mar 2013 #88

Its always been hard for me to understand how anyone can watch porn and ignore the actors' real pain riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #93

+1 redqueen Mar 2013 #102

The same way they can watch stuntpeople crash cars in a movie LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #145

I'm concerned about the sadism in pro sports like football. Its bad for our society riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #194

Not what I said at all LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #203

I disagree 100%. DUers always "worry" about low wage workers and the "pain" of their lives riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #208

On the flip side LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #211

Noted that you didn't address any of my points, only deflected to arguments I didn't make riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #213

Neither did you LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #214

I've already addressed the OP's main point - porn is painful. riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #215

Sigh LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #219

I have addressed your point, and so have a thousand other threads. You have chosen to NOT see them riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #221

This: LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #222

Yes. Any guy who admits to watching and enjoying and whacking off to Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #187

I don't see how it could not hurt. AngryAmish Mar 2013 #97

What? Those are big ones? They look tiny compared to mine MillennialDem Mar 2013 #98

At least they get paid, what about the global slave trade? Rex Mar 2013 #133

Thank you!!!! n/t Catherina Mar 2013 #143

You are one of the women I always think about Rex Mar 2013 #149

Gawd I love you Catherina Mar 2013 #158

It may not seem like much to people on the outside Rex Mar 2013 #161

Because THERE ARE FEW other JOBS for regular, non-college-degreed---and even then---people. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #135

Computer programming. randome Mar 2013 #177

So does being in the military and many other jobs. cbdo2007 Mar 2013 #157

+1 Rex Mar 2013 #170

Another article by the same author/actress. Jamastiene Mar 2013 #186

Excellent article. Good find. n/t LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #195

I'm surprised there is still a market for commercial porn octothorpe Mar 2013 #190

It is no picnic for the actors. Knightraven Mar 2013 #225

Again I have to ask jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #226

Isn't it obvious? LisaL Mar 2013 #229

The money is good. Many have Student loans and other debt that it pays off. Knightraven Mar 2013 #230

did you read the article? jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #233

People aren't meant to fuck that hard for that long. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #227