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Cleita

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13. I had a discussion with a christian church goer (not a Catholic) at the gym
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 02:49 PM
Mar 2013

about it yesterday. She's the usual Fox News listener who bitches about paying taxes, but she and her husband are very well off. I talked about the homeless problem not being addressed in our County and how the sequestration was going to make matters worse. She said her church has programs just for that. I asked her if her church was going to be able to step up to the plate and replace the programs that are going to be cut. She said why don't those people get jobs? I said you mean babies who are not going to be able to get formula they need because their parents, who are working, can't afford it?

She didn't know that, but of course because you wouldn't get that on Fox News. I then replied we have to step up as a community to help those less fortunate than us and that means everyone, not just your church or other churches, but us as a community and that takes government and taxes. Churches are supposed to take care of people's spiritual needs. We the people are supposed to take care of the material needs of all citizens and again that requires government and taxes.

At that point she jumped off the treadmill without a word and walked away. My point though was Church is fine if it does what it's supposed to, minister to the spiritual needs of its members. It's up to us the people to perform the works of mercy, that of feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and so on and so on. It doesn't matter if we are atheist, christian, jew, buddhist, scientologists, etc., we need to bond together as community to get those things taking care of and that requires government and taxes that fund social programs.

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Seriously, to the extent that organized criminal behaviour can be shown to violate the RICO AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #1
I wish I could find it. There was a fantastic thread started by a Catholic who liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #2
Exactly... vi5 Mar 2013 #3
With all due respect, the RCC must change, and its leaders know it. Laelth Mar 2013 #4
A lovely hope, but the fact is Francis speaks horrible verbiage against gay people and our rights Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #5
Assuming you are right ... Laelth Mar 2013 #6
Pay attention to how much talk there is about the Global South JVS Mar 2013 #12
Married priests might get the contraception rule changed too muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #14
But what I don't get.... vi5 Mar 2013 #24
That describes my parents as well Marrah_G Mar 2013 #21
When I was a kid, we were taught that the Catholic Church was the only true church and that everyone hedgehog Mar 2013 #7
Smile. Nice way of putting it. Laelth Mar 2013 #8
No, miracles do not happen. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #9
Zoeisright .. I think you will like this ... just for chuckles: Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #11
I would refer you to the accounts of the miracle of the Loaves and Fishes hedgehog Mar 2013 #15
"No, miracles do not happen." Sounds like corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #30
I'm not seeing the "miracle" you're refering too. -nt Bradical79 Mar 2013 #33
this isn't only about the Catholic church olddots Mar 2013 #10
I had a discussion with a christian church goer (not a Catholic) at the gym Cleita Mar 2013 #13
I agree RainDog Mar 2013 #17
Another way to put it markpkessinger Mar 2013 #27
I'm not against religious communities doing charity. I dislike them getting Cleita Mar 2013 #31
Same as any effort to change any large organization: grass roots organization from the ground up. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #16
+1 MissMarple Mar 2013 #20
yes you were the one. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #28
Sounds good, are parish councils common? Bradical79 Mar 2013 #34
Lights will guide it home, and ignite it's bones, and I will try to fix it???? HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #18
Organizations and governments all have their ups and downs. MissMarple Mar 2013 #19
The Episcopalians have made major changes in response to grassroots movements Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #22
Thank you from a fellow Episcopalian! markpkessinger Mar 2013 #25
The Catholic Church in the US is not monolithic caraher Mar 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Mar 2013 #26
Be careful about assuming all churches are like the Roman Catholic Church markpkessinger Mar 2013 #29
Yes, I'm aware that not all churches are like the Roman Catholic Church Bradical79 Mar 2013 #32
It takes alot of work over many years quaker bill Mar 2013 #35
How are you going to change the country? Got a plan? Huhdoyadoya? DirkGently Mar 2013 #36
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