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RainDog

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17. I agree

Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:04 PM

Mar 2013

What the religious leaders have tried to do with govt. funding of their organizations, is to force people to have to hear their beliefs in order to receive help.

This is fundamentally against the idea in American society that people have the right to their own religious conscience.

But those religions who want to proselytize as part of their faith don't respect this (and I'm not talking about Catholics in this regard, tho I think there are evangelical groups in every group.)

The rulers in Saudi Arabia made a deal with the Wahabbists. That particular virulent version of Islam gets special privileges and, in return, they don't speak against the rulers of the nation, but rather serve to keep people subservient to the POLITICAL leaders.

This, again, is what we see in American churches when they speak from the pulpit about political issues.

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How are you going to fix the Catholic Church? Or any church for that matter? [View all] Bradical79 Mar 2013 OP

Seriously, to the extent that organized criminal behaviour can be shown to violate the RICO AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #1

I wish I could find it. There was a fantastic thread started by a Catholic who liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #2

Exactly... vi5 Mar 2013 #3

With all due respect, the RCC must change, and its leaders know it. Laelth Mar 2013 #4

A lovely hope, but the fact is Francis speaks horrible verbiage against gay people and our rights Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #5

Assuming you are right ... Laelth Mar 2013 #6

Pay attention to how much talk there is about the Global South JVS Mar 2013 #12

Married priests might get the contraception rule changed too muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #14

But what I don't get.... vi5 Mar 2013 #24

That describes my parents as well Marrah_G Mar 2013 #21

When I was a kid, we were taught that the Catholic Church was the only true church and that everyone hedgehog Mar 2013 #7

Smile. Nice way of putting it. Laelth Mar 2013 #8

No, miracles do not happen. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #9

Zoeisright .. I think you will like this ... just for chuckles: Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #11

I would refer you to the accounts of the miracle of the Loaves and Fishes hedgehog Mar 2013 #15

"No, miracles do not happen." Sounds like corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #30

I'm not seeing the "miracle" you're refering too. -nt Bradical79 Mar 2013 #33

this isn't only about the Catholic church olddots Mar 2013 #10

I had a discussion with a christian church goer (not a Catholic) at the gym Cleita Mar 2013 #13

I agree RainDog Mar 2013 #17

Another way to put it markpkessinger Mar 2013 #27

I'm not against religious communities doing charity. I dislike them getting Cleita Mar 2013 #31

Same as any effort to change any large organization: grass roots organization from the ground up. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #16

+1 MissMarple Mar 2013 #20

yes you were the one. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #28

Sounds good, are parish councils common? Bradical79 Mar 2013 #34

Lights will guide it home, and ignite it's bones, and I will try to fix it???? HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #18

Organizations and governments all have their ups and downs. MissMarple Mar 2013 #19

The Episcopalians have made major changes in response to grassroots movements Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #22

Thank you from a fellow Episcopalian! markpkessinger Mar 2013 #25

The Catholic Church in the US is not monolithic caraher Mar 2013 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Mar 2013 #26

Be careful about assuming all churches are like the Roman Catholic Church markpkessinger Mar 2013 #29

Yes, I'm aware that not all churches are like the Roman Catholic Church Bradical79 Mar 2013 #32

It takes alot of work over many years quaker bill Mar 2013 #35

How are you going to change the country? Got a plan? Huhdoyadoya? DirkGently Mar 2013 #36