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markpkessinger

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29. Be careful about assuming all churches are like the Roman Catholic Church
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 06:48 PM
Mar 2013

Christian churches vary widely in their polity and governance, and in their corresponding ability to effect change from the bottom up. Lydia Leftcoast, in message #22 above, mentions the Episcopal Church (of which I am a member). But not only the Episcopal Church has made tremendous strides. So also have the Lutherans (ELCA), Presbyterians, Methodists, United Churches of Christ/Congregationalists and the Disciples of Christ. What these denominations all have in common, apart from being among the churches that were once known as "mainline Protestants" and each of them having roots in one or more of the various 16th C. reform movements against the Roman Catholic Church, is that they all have, to varying degrees, a democratic structure that provides a process by which such change can be effected.

For example, the Episcopal Church is governed by a General Convention and a Presiding Bishop. General Convention consists of two legislative houses: the House of Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies. (Hmmm...a presiding executive and a bicameral legislature -- sound familiar?) Each diocese is represented in the House of Deputies by four clergy and four lay deputies, who are elected at conventions of each respective diocesan convention (at which there are representatives of each local parish). Diocesan bishops, too, are elected by the dioceses they serve. All of this is very, very different from the structure of the Roman Catholic Church, even though, in many outward appearances, the two bodies appear to be similar in some respects.

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Seriously, to the extent that organized criminal behaviour can be shown to violate the RICO AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #1
I wish I could find it. There was a fantastic thread started by a Catholic who liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #2
Exactly... vi5 Mar 2013 #3
With all due respect, the RCC must change, and its leaders know it. Laelth Mar 2013 #4
A lovely hope, but the fact is Francis speaks horrible verbiage against gay people and our rights Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #5
Assuming you are right ... Laelth Mar 2013 #6
Pay attention to how much talk there is about the Global South JVS Mar 2013 #12
Married priests might get the contraception rule changed too muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #14
But what I don't get.... vi5 Mar 2013 #24
That describes my parents as well Marrah_G Mar 2013 #21
When I was a kid, we were taught that the Catholic Church was the only true church and that everyone hedgehog Mar 2013 #7
Smile. Nice way of putting it. Laelth Mar 2013 #8
No, miracles do not happen. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #9
Zoeisright .. I think you will like this ... just for chuckles: Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #11
I would refer you to the accounts of the miracle of the Loaves and Fishes hedgehog Mar 2013 #15
"No, miracles do not happen." Sounds like corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #30
I'm not seeing the "miracle" you're refering too. -nt Bradical79 Mar 2013 #33
this isn't only about the Catholic church olddots Mar 2013 #10
I had a discussion with a christian church goer (not a Catholic) at the gym Cleita Mar 2013 #13
I agree RainDog Mar 2013 #17
Another way to put it markpkessinger Mar 2013 #27
I'm not against religious communities doing charity. I dislike them getting Cleita Mar 2013 #31
Same as any effort to change any large organization: grass roots organization from the ground up. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #16
+1 MissMarple Mar 2013 #20
yes you were the one. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #28
Sounds good, are parish councils common? Bradical79 Mar 2013 #34
Lights will guide it home, and ignite it's bones, and I will try to fix it???? HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #18
Organizations and governments all have their ups and downs. MissMarple Mar 2013 #19
The Episcopalians have made major changes in response to grassroots movements Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #22
Thank you from a fellow Episcopalian! markpkessinger Mar 2013 #25
The Catholic Church in the US is not monolithic caraher Mar 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Mar 2013 #26
Be careful about assuming all churches are like the Roman Catholic Church markpkessinger Mar 2013 #29
Yes, I'm aware that not all churches are like the Roman Catholic Church Bradical79 Mar 2013 #32
It takes alot of work over many years quaker bill Mar 2013 #35
How are you going to change the country? Got a plan? Huhdoyadoya? DirkGently Mar 2013 #36
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