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Very nicely said. marybourg Mar 2013 #1
Sorry--not off the hook zentrum Mar 2013 #111
I think you replied to the wrong post or the wrong person. marybourg Mar 2013 #113
You need to get over yourself. I don't care what religion you are people always give southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #128
But it's so much easier to feel morally superior when one is sitting at the keyboard. Bake Mar 2013 #186
yes it is. How telling as we sit here on our keyboards. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #187
Ouch. Bake Mar 2013 #188
LOL your ok southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #189
Who died and made you God and arbiter of whose sense of community is good and whose 1monster Mar 2013 #131
I could suggest a home for your "hook", but that might result in a hidden post. 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #203
Exactly and the people with the butts in the pews are sincere in their beliefs. Warpy Mar 2013 #2
But the origins of Anglicanism are very silly, let's face it. If Ann had just agreed to have sex Squinch Mar 2013 #102
Or if the Pope weren't hostage to wife #1's nephew JNelson6563 Mar 2013 #123
Lol! But it would have saved her a WHOLE lotta trouble if she hadn't held out. Squinch Mar 2013 #130
not for a young woman looking to make a good marriage SemperEadem Mar 2013 #145
That's probably an oversimplification Warpy Mar 2013 #133
I am fascinated by the Anglicans. I have friends who are devout Anglicans, one of CTyankee Mar 2013 #191
No question. I was just commenting on the origins of Anglicanism, not the quality of its Squinch Mar 2013 #193
It's funny, but I never would think to discuss the roots of my friend's church. If CTyankee Mar 2013 #194
Those attacking Catholics here are teabaggers that somehow think they're progressives. Gman Mar 2013 #3
Right, just forget about the institutionalized homophobia, misogyny & pedophilia. baldguy Mar 2013 #21
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #37
Actually, "real liberals and progressive" can see the difference between the Vatican (The Church) & uppityperson Mar 2013 #44
That shit goes on in every church... wickerwoman Mar 2013 #68
not true at all Bradical79 Mar 2013 #101
Not all organisations have been caught, but most of them have some skeletons in the closet. wickerwoman Mar 2013 #163
Well an awful lot of them do. The US Government eg, has been supporting racism, homophobia, torture, sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #197
but bald guy, it is TRADITION!!! Skittles Mar 2013 #151
It's just another brand of mythology RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #22
That's true amuse bouche Mar 2013 #53
Much as we use philosophy, politics, economics, the arts, and a whole host of imaginary constructs LanternWaste Mar 2013 #126
And mythology is bad...? YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #137
No, the arts are good. RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #161
Erm, what? Apophis Mar 2013 #33
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #38
Hahaha amuse bouche Mar 2013 #48
What is your intent with a rude post like that? Are you trying to rhett o rick Mar 2013 #104
You are wrong, Gman. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #116
Great post! kwassa Mar 2013 #4
well said n/t pamela Mar 2013 #5
Well said. Aristus Mar 2013 #6
And some of that money goes to organizations like NOM, why isn't that acknowledged as well? Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #7
Nice post and explains a lot...things I never thought of...but wondered. nt Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #8
Great post! Richardo Mar 2013 #9
Yeah. The parishes are all lilly white clean places of community MichiganVote Mar 2013 #10
You're late for your Remedial Reading class. Richardo Mar 2013 #12
Because the OP said that, right? Posteritatis Mar 2013 #13
Same with Jews and synagogues The Straight Story Mar 2013 #35
Or Muslims and mosques oberliner Mar 2013 #57
The overwhelmingly vast majority of them are, yes. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #166
"No lie lives forever" Martin Luther King MichiganVote Mar 2013 #175
Thank you. shenmue Mar 2013 #11
No, and I don't care either. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #14
I do care, because some of that money goes to harm people I love. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #15
A good part of it goes to serve the poor BainsBane Mar 2013 #25
And that makes up for the evil it does? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #27
No, it is in addition BainsBane Mar 2013 #30
I don't know, depends on where the parish is located, some of the money could have been sent to... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #34
that could be true BainsBane Mar 2013 #40
Basically you are saying that because it helps some people, we should ignore what it does to others? Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #51
Not at all BainsBane Mar 2013 #55
How is the church supposed to run? hrmjustin Mar 2013 #71
First off, it depends on the parish and diocese, along with the economic level of the two... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #75
Well sometimes in parishes you have a second collection and thatgoes straight to the bishop. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #77
I wonder if that's recent or varies by parish... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #80
If you are an offical member of a parish you can request envelopes so that you can keep track for hrmjustin Mar 2013 #81
For the past ten years No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #88
I care a lot about poverty. Having done the research, I know that the best way... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #47
I agree with your views on the church hierarchy BainsBane Mar 2013 #54
So when will those good Catholics you mention stop funding the fight against birth control? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #58
why do you think they are? BainsBane Mar 2013 #61
Except for when the Archdiocese asks for some of that money as well... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #62
I don't know how that works BainsBane Mar 2013 #63
Most of the books are closed, but to give an example of Archdiocese malfeance... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #66
seriously? BainsBane Mar 2013 #70
Archdiocese of St. Louis... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #72
I'm going to Google BainsBane Mar 2013 #73
Is this the one? BainsBane Mar 2013 #74
Yep, pretty messed up, isn't it? Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #78
Totally fucked up BainsBane Mar 2013 #79
Pastors are not always as generous, as those that give in the collection baskets! basspro1o1 Mar 2013 #134
So the Catholic hierarchy must get their money straight from God then? progressoid Mar 2013 #98
Oh no, they have enormous investments BainsBane Mar 2013 #114
*snort* Yes - they've been fleecing the flock for centuries. progressoid Mar 2013 #118
my mother BainsBane Mar 2013 #127
65% of the funds Catholic Charities uses comes from Federal Tax revenues, not the Church Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #108
And that's the problem. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #45
thank you for your post and your personal story. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #16
(OT) And just where have you been, missy? Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #17
I've been readin' and contemplatin'. scarletwoman Mar 2013 #24
To me, it's like the grange here in rural Colorado... likesmountains 52 Mar 2013 #18
That's a very nice comparison. scarletwoman Mar 2013 #29
The problem is when they force their views on everyone else. justice1 Mar 2013 #19
I imagine he'd be doing that no matter what religion he was. Richardo Mar 2013 #23
I also am an ex-Catholic ybbor Mar 2013 #20
"It seems to me that the Church has regressed to a more intolerant doctrine, perhaps to try... scarletwoman Mar 2013 #28
I feel that is the gist of it. I remember seeing the nuns and layman standing outside the prison freshwest Mar 2013 #86
Regression Tree-Hugger Mar 2013 #107
I always thought it was a down payment on an apt. in Heaven... Really! busterbrown Mar 2013 #26
Agreed. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #31
You do blame the whole family if they knew he was abusing the dog.... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #59
Perhaps it was a poor analogy davidthegnome Mar 2013 #95
Excellent post! Thank you for writing it! scarletwoman Mar 2013 #140
So, why not keep all the money collected at the local level and not send any up the hierarchy? nt Jerry442 Mar 2013 #32
It doesn't work that way. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #150
At some point someone has to write a check. What if they didn't? NT Jerry442 Mar 2013 #159
The money still needs to be paid. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #184
the grass roots Catholics.... maindawg Mar 2013 #36
Thank you. 840high Mar 2013 #39
Hear! Hear! ReRe Mar 2013 #41
Good post, I think you are expressing the feelings of many Catholics, practicing or not. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #42
Apparently your local preist didn't fancy you as a sexual target, you're one of the lucky ones! DrewFlorida Mar 2013 #43
'one of the lucky ones' You make it seem like like abuse is the rule, not the exception. onehandle Mar 2013 #49
Oh you think the Catholics you know would just go around telling you they were raped? DrewFlorida Mar 2013 #56
It's not an "attack" and it's not "absurd" MellowDem Mar 2013 #46
I find a great deal of what my government does really quite appalling. scarletwoman Mar 2013 #52
Taxes are involuntary, governments are necessary, analogy is stupid. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #60
Let me deconstruct this terrible analogy again... MellowDem Mar 2013 #67
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are ,,, westerebus Mar 2013 #85
You don't have to recite the pledge of allegiance... MellowDem Mar 2013 #125
You can simply go through the motions. westerebus Mar 2013 #154
You can... MellowDem Mar 2013 #164
Excommunication didn't seem to both Henry VIII . He founded the Church of England. westerebus Mar 2013 #173
THANK you. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #120
And I am compelled to pay those taxes for shit I hate and I speak out about the crap Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #167
What a wonderful post! Tumbulu Mar 2013 #50
Well said goldent Mar 2013 #64
Why do they "put money in the collection plate"? Unless the practice is less than universal, AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #65
What you are talking about is so 1940's. No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #87
It's still done. They'll even send you a tax statement each year. JVS Mar 2013 #93
Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #97
Are you actually claiming that a list of names is posted No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #129
no. I'm saying that envelopes are not some relic from 1940. JVS Mar 2013 #135
Of course not. I replied to the first sentence and subject of the comment re No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #139
If it involves getting money, most congregations will make it as convenient as humanly possible. JVS Mar 2013 #142
Your first paragraph is exactly why people shouldn't donate their money. Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #69
What most people don't realize about the RCC is that most of it's American wealth hrmjustin Mar 2013 #76
More an incentive to starve the beast then, that way at least they won't have money to spare... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #84
Yes. If there were a God and he read DU, He would be sick of this shit, too. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #82
The Vatican is worth 500 billion dollars. They could fund every parish without tithing. Lint Head Mar 2013 #83
Religious gatherings will always represent community. Kurovski Mar 2013 #89
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #90
When I was younger, our parish priest had a reputation as a real tightwad. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #91
That's right. It's the folks who point out the curruption, hatred and bigotry that those dollars... Walk away Mar 2013 #92
This is what we've devolved to? Leaving money in the collection plate is now controversial? tritsofme Mar 2013 #94
At least in part to partially finance relocation of pedophile priests. The Link Mar 2013 #96
So we should excuse them because they don't know where the money goes? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #99
While I am no longer Catholic, I agree with you Fresh_Start Mar 2013 #100
Thank you for saying that. timdog44 Mar 2013 #136
You cannot deny, however, that some of that money is used in unsavory ways justiceischeap Mar 2013 #103
I appreciate your post. I would be interested in knowing how much of the dollar that goes rhett o rick Mar 2013 #105
so why do you need the church? Bradical79 Mar 2013 #106
I'm a Catholic-church-going atheist. I put money in the collection plate (actually my kids do) for Texas Lawyer Mar 2013 #109
You response is almost too reasonable No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #124
I thought it was guilt and expectation Gore1FL Mar 2013 #110
I have little love for... AnneD Mar 2013 #112
How does donating to a group that funds fights against LGBT rights make you a good person? Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #168
I give in kind..... AnneD Mar 2013 #174
So basically you volunteer time or material to your local parish so they don't have to spend money.. Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #178
Money still goes to Rome angryjames Mar 2013 #115
Isn't that special. Still, the Church had plenty of money to fight for Prop 8, though. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #117
Thanks to the kind donations of DU members. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #169
Uh huh. Sure. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #119
Well said. Hekate Mar 2013 #121
One of the most poignant moments of my life KamaAina Mar 2013 #122
I didn't realize people were doing that. But I don't read Catholic bashing threads. MissMarple Mar 2013 #132
There is a relatively small but vocal number of people (here and elsewhere)... YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #138
luckily I have most of them on ignore by now liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #141
I never used Ignore until today No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #143
Is the answer "Jesus"? Brickbat Mar 2013 #144
No. They put money in, because if they don't, the Big Sky Man will send them... harmonicon Mar 2013 #146
Are there any DUers who attend mass? loyalsister Mar 2013 #147
Hi loyalsister - I attend mass...at our church there is a fairly wide mix of elderly, young, etc. Pendrench Mar 2013 #179
Thank you loyalsister Mar 2013 #183
No problem - if you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer the best I can :) Pendrench Mar 2013 #185
to make themselves feel better ? 4 t 4 Mar 2013 #148
For a long time, I didn't give, out of protest. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #149
DU has changed in the last few years TomClash Mar 2013 #152
Why is it that the extremes in every group are always the loudest? liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #153
I've tried extreme rebuttal cartach Mar 2013 #158
LGBT advocates, pro-choice and pro-contraception activists are extremists now? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #170
Thank you for a very nice post . . . TomClash Mar 2013 #172
What kills me MFrohike Mar 2013 #155
You nailed it in your last sentence. corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #180
Just as a shopper at Walmart isnt thinking quakerboy Mar 2013 #156
Upkeep of their parish church? cartach Mar 2013 #157
RE upkeep of parish church No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #165
Do you ever wonder why the vatican doesn't help? Marrah_G Mar 2013 #196
Educate yourself No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #198
great answer Marrah_G Mar 2013 #199
And still they attack the church here without... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #160
I'm still counted among those 1.2 billion, and I'm sick of people pulling that number... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #171
True, but take out those who left and... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #190
I doubt half that number are practicing Catholics. Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #192
Half of those clamoring about church donations probably support & invest in Wall St. raouldukelives Mar 2013 #162
Whatever the subjective intention... Deep13 Mar 2013 #176
To Get to the Other Side? cap Mar 2013 #177
No need to say "sorry" on my account. Your post made me chuckle. scarletwoman Mar 2013 #181
Love it. Not bad--pretty darn funny--gotta pay to play! corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #182
interesting that the rule against religious posts in GD.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #195
My OP was posted last week when the "big news" exception for religion threads in GD was in effect. scarletwoman Mar 2013 #200
Every Protestant Church I've attended Passed The Collection Plate Around Too! TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #201
Yes, of course. The only reason I wrote my OP (last week) about Catholics in particular, scarletwoman Mar 2013 #202
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