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marions ghost

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68. Don't like this as law

Reply to The Straight Story (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:20 PM

Mar 2013

So how does wearing a veil hurt others? (As much as I am against the veil and all that it symbolizes).

As long as your symbol is on your body, on your clothing, in your private space (includes a desk or office at work), your house, your car--I see nothing wrong with this form of expression. Obviously if a symbol is greatly offensive to others, eg. some (permanently retired) inflammatory symbol such as a swastika, it would upset others and not be a great seller in the job interview.

Personally I don't mind knowing what others identify with and I wouldn't want that restriction placed on me. I don't like homogenization, where people feel bad about their affiliations. It does not offend me to see a symbol of someone else's religion as long as it doesn't encroach on my (or public) space.

I think this law could backfire.

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French back a ban on religious symbols at work [View all] The Straight Story Mar 2013 OP

So that would include crosses ? dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #1

Yep: The Straight Story Mar 2013 #2

Especially crosses cap Mar 2013 #7

Yeah, so fucking enlightened that hundreds of thousands march against cali Mar 2013 #18

Thank you for pointing that out el_bryanto Mar 2013 #20

But does it? Quantess Mar 2013 #23

People live their religion in different ways - but one can assume that some who wears the veil el_bryanto Mar 2013 #24

Can such a ban hold up under EU scrunity? Silent3 Mar 2013 #3

Really? The laws concerning secularism in France are more than 100 year old. Mass Mar 2013 #5

This is a lot more than secularism Silent3 Mar 2013 #6

Well, I do not want to work in a place with an obstentatious religious symbol. Mass Mar 2013 #10

I haven't lived in Egypt, but I think forced female circumcism is terrible. Silent3 Mar 2013 #14

Well said. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #28

What constitutes an ostentatious religious symbol in your mind? cali Mar 2013 #56

Kinda down on individual freedoms eh? Union Scribe Mar 2013 #64

Less religion is usually a good thing RedstDem Mar 2013 #4

I think less religion is a good thing too, but people being forced by law... Silent3 Mar 2013 #8

Wonder how this would affect someone with a cross tattooed on the hand for example? (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #9

I dont know. I have not been in France for 4 years, Mass Mar 2013 #13

Well, as a French person, the overuse of Christian symbols in this country bothers me. Mass Mar 2013 #11

Ok, serious question here The Straight Story Mar 2013 #19

Well, gays could feel bullied by religious symbols daleo Mar 2013 #25

Well, understood - but The Straight Story Mar 2013 #31

I don't display any atheist related symbols and I definitely don't want to see any religious ones idwiyo Mar 2013 #12

I'm not a religious person, but crosses/hijabs/star of davids/etc don't bother me at all. octothorpe Mar 2013 #27

Keep your beliefs or lack of thereof to yourself. Pure and simple. idwiyo Mar 2013 #30

I wouldn't allow my lack of belief dictate what others can or cannot wear octothorpe Mar 2013 #32

Displaying religious symbols openly is no different than preaching, IMNSHO. idwiyo Mar 2013 #33

Often the symbols are for the believer. And what about Tattoos of such symbols? (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #42

Keep your religious symbols private. That's not much to ask, is it? Or are we going to start idwiyo Mar 2013 #49

Ah,the oppression thing The Straight Story Mar 2013 #51

Where did I say that I feel oppressed? I did ask though to keep your private stuff private. That's idwiyo Mar 2013 #54

bwahahaha. so well thought out, hon. cali Mar 2013 #59

Symbols are not preaching marions ghost Mar 2013 #67

But a symbol is only a symbol Shivering Jemmy Mar 2013 #58

Imagine 99Forever Mar 2013 #15

Crazy treestar Mar 2013 #16

So, you support prayer in school? Mass Mar 2013 #17

They are talking about work, not school treestar Mar 2013 #21

Private work places are not the equivalent of public schools. cali Mar 2013 #22

Because nobody has ever fought or killed over religion. daleo Mar 2013 #26

Not at work treestar Mar 2013 #60

As long as it's applied to all religions, fairly, evenly, and consistently, I fully support it. sadbear Mar 2013 #29

How can it possibly be? You can tuck a cross beneath a shirt cali Mar 2013 #36

If you can effectively hide it, as in not display it, I don't care. sadbear Mar 2013 #37

blatantly biased. Nothing but ugly dog shit bigotry on display cali Mar 2013 #44

If it affects Christians, Jews, Hidus, Sikhs, Buddhits, etc., too sadbear Mar 2013 #46

Did you even read the fucking op? cali Mar 2013 #50

Of course it is. sadbear Mar 2013 #53

Use a scarf, a hat, whatever. Just don't make it a religious statement. Not that difficult and I am idwiyo Mar 2013 #41

In my religion all hats are religious symbols The Straight Story Mar 2013 #47

Great for you, that gives you a lot of freedom to chose from. Don't see you having a problem idwiyo Mar 2013 #52

why do so many people make dim assumptions based on... nothing? cali Mar 2013 #48

I find... av8r1998 Mar 2013 #34

Hysterical much? Where does it say anything about "BANNING" religion? idwiyo Mar 2013 #43

That is no hysterical. Of course it's a banning of religion when cali Mar 2013 #45

I work for private company and I do not want to see religious symbols. Keep them private, please. idwiyo Mar 2013 #55

do you work in the U.S.? cali Mar 2013 #57

BINGO! If some easily offended poster would like to revoke a portion ... 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #61

Wait what? fat crap? lol... what does that mean? octothorpe Mar 2013 #66

The French are extremely paranoid of other cultures LittleBlue Mar 2013 #35

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Mass Mar 2013 #40

No yarmulkes allowed? Highly anti-Semitic, surely (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #38

Muslims are approximately 12% of the total French population riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #62

I wish we did that here. Apophis Mar 2013 #63

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #65

Don't like this as law marions ghost Mar 2013 #68

Locking... SidDithers Mar 2013 #69