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talkingmime

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26. I agree. So much of everything is training. And shepherds and rotties have stronger bites.

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:47 PM

Mar 2013

The average force of a large dog (all breeds) is about 320lbs. Shepherds and rotties both have stronger grips than pitbulls and the "locking their jaws" meme is bullshit. The problem is with people who get such dogs to have a "bad ass dog" and treat them that way. Not so long ago, it was the bulldog breed that had that reputation. I've known weiner dogs that were nastier than ANY large dog I've encountered.

But you hit the nail on the head there - it was a pack, they weren't family pets, and the kid was left unattended. It could have been coyotes for that matter. Yes it's a tragedy, but blaming the breed is taking it too far. Barring mental defects, nasty dogs are the product of their upbringing and the stereotypes associated with the breeds greatly affect how they're raised.

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Pit bull/Pit bull mixes kill toddler. [View all] Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2013 OP

sad. Adults lost track of the child. Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #1

You are, of course correct.. 99Forever Mar 2013 #2

Oh for Christ's sake Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #73

Oh FFS. 99Forever Apr 2013 #75

Plenty of evidence on DU Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #76

No sale. 99Forever Apr 2013 #78

Or perhaps Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #79

Or perhaps... 99Forever Apr 2013 #82

Poor little thing. Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #3

This quote -- "Why they (the dogs) got started I have no idea" -- is the one Auggie Mar 2013 #4

Dogs pack. yellerpup Apr 2013 #80

Spot on markpkessinger Apr 2013 #96

Once you've witnessed that behavior-- yellerpup Apr 2013 #100

The terrifying thing about Pit Bulls are the owners who insist they are just another doggie n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #5

I love dogs Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2013 #7

I absolutely love dogs... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #10

I admire the aggressive breeds. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2013 #13

I like most breeds outsied the little mini-dogs Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #19

No, no you don't. And given these statements, you certainly have no understanding of dogs. baldguy Mar 2013 #20

Okay :) Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #30

I'm always surprised when people say GSDs are an aggressive breed stopwastingmymoney Mar 2013 #22

No, and yes. I will elaborate Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #29

I understand what you're saying stopwastingmymoney Mar 2013 #32

I'm glad it made sense, some things are hard to explain n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #33

While I love pit bulls and I stick up for them OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #45

This is an absolutely excellent post Marrah_G Apr 2013 #67

My GSD Theo is in his teenage years (1 year, 4 months old) and is testing me at every opportunity ariesgem Apr 2013 #77

What a beautiful dog! nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #109

raised an arctic from a puppy till he had to be put down backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #39

In many respects the entire "debate" is ludicrous Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #41

Amen n/t OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #44

excellent post get the red out Apr 2013 #84

Instincts get the red out Apr 2013 #83

exactly right - how many are now going to post about their "sweet little angels" DrDan Mar 2013 #15

Horror as rescue dog kills and dismembers two-month-old baby while his father slept JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #59

not sure what your point is . . . this is very tragic DrDan Apr 2013 #60

Point is, dogs are dogs... JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #61

that's true - but some seem to inflict more injury than others . . . right? DrDan Apr 2013 #62

Cows and horses kill more people each year than dogs. baldguy Apr 2013 #63

cow attacks? horse attacks? there may be a difference DrDan Apr 2013 #64

You obviously don't have any compassion for the innocent victims of the equine & bovine scurge. baldguy Apr 2013 #65

plenty of compassion - even for innocent canine victims DrDan Apr 2013 #66

when is the last time you saw a fucking cow eat a baby? snooper2 Apr 2013 #69

Usually they fuck after dinner... JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #70

in that context I was using fuck as an adjective not a verb snooper2 Apr 2013 #71

Well, it all depends on how you raise them. Doesn't it? baldguy Apr 2013 #85

The difference is if a cow snaps you can deal with it... snooper2 Apr 2013 #86

You think beagles aren't dangerous? baldguy Apr 2013 #87

I grew up country...and no beagles aren't dangerous but our english mastiff was snooper2 Apr 2013 #89

Not true at all (links) FreeState Apr 2013 #88

It doesn't matter how many people were *actually* killed, only that they were involved in some way. baldguy Apr 2013 #90

Well then dogs outweigh them all FreeState Apr 2013 #92

Then you must want to get rid of all the dogs, everywhere. baldguy Apr 2013 #93

Can you show me where I have made any assertion FreeState Apr 2013 #94

I posted a question about that very recently and didn't really get an answer: Orrex Apr 2013 #74

I own a pitbull mix GreenEyedLefty Mar 2013 #6

I would never own a dog Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2013 #8

Your dogs seem lovely... my dog would no doubt love them, too. GreenEyedLefty Mar 2013 #12

Exactly. easttexaslefty Mar 2013 #11

That's the only kind of pitbull I've ever encountered - big clowns. talkingmime Mar 2013 #23

"I haven't a clue what she was "bred" to do. " hedgehog Mar 2013 #25

I would leave ANY dog I ever owned backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #40

The assault rifle of dogs. nt Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #9

The grandchild of my neighbors was attacked by their dog when he was 18 mos old undeterred Mar 2013 #14

I agree. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2013 #17

Cocker spaniels look gorgeous and are generally OK hedgehog Mar 2013 #24

That sounds right. This dog was also getting older and there must undeterred Mar 2013 #31

Something the child did? The child might have merely tried to pick up his own toy. pnwmom Mar 2013 #42

As I explained, the dog and child had been together since the child was a baby with undeterred Apr 2013 #105

Any dog that kills a baby is vicious. Non-vicious dogs don't kill toddlers pnwmom Apr 2013 #108

My husband has worked with dogs for 20 years. a la izquierda Mar 2013 #46

yes, i can attest to that shanti Apr 2013 #72

A friend was scarred for life (physically & emotionally) by a Lab DirkGently Apr 2013 #97

Nature/Nurture CobblePuller Mar 2013 #16

Boxers that are trained to fight, have been known to bite Sheepshank Apr 2013 #81

I am afraid this will turn into timdog44 Mar 2013 #18

They weren't controlling the dogs in any way. baldguy Mar 2013 #21

I agree. So much of everything is training. And shepherds and rotties have stronger bites. talkingmime Mar 2013 #26

And what breed are they even talking about? Staffies? American Staffies? Pits? DirkGently Apr 2013 #99

I don't fear any dog. The vast majority are totall cupcakes inside. talkingmime Apr 2013 #113

Never trust cat killers. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2013 #27

More to do with how little people know about how to handle dogs and children liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #51

"But she never did ANYTHING like this before!" bvar22 Mar 2013 #28

Incredible... Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2013 #37

And every pig farmer knows... defacto7 Apr 2013 #52

Or a Mastiff, Rottweiler, Shepherd, etc. Not especially "pit bulls." DirkGently Apr 2013 #101

I agree Agent William Mar 2013 #34

American Staffordshire Terriers are Pit Bulls TexasBushwhacker Mar 2013 #43

The American pit bull is banned in the UK Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2013 #48

It is disturbing to me BlueSpot Mar 2013 #35

Dogs don't exist primarily to kill humans. DirkGently Apr 2013 #103

Good grief PD Turk Mar 2013 #36

Everyone talks about what they were bred for OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #38

I think it's the pitt bull's tendency Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2013 #49

You're right OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #57

Well, they shouldn't have been breast feeding it in the smoking section of Olive Garden anyway. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #47

For the life of me, I can't understand why so many people are enamored with pit bulls. Zorra Apr 2013 #50

Ironically defacto7 Apr 2013 #53

Absolutely right. I'm a news editor and 99% of dog attacks reported here are pit bulls Liberty Belle Apr 2013 #54

Don't worry... sendero Apr 2013 #58

I've had 7 dogs in my life XemaSab Apr 2013 #55

People have genetics. Do we assume their personalities are hardwired from birth? DirkGently Apr 2013 #104

Were people selectively bred for hundreds of generations to have particular personality traits? XemaSab Apr 2013 #107

I think that the dogs were a pack had more to do with this than the breed nadine_mn Apr 2013 #56

The breed should be banned. The Link Apr 2013 #68

Cool, a fresh subject. Doremus Apr 2013 #91

Methinks this thread was started to stir shit. Apophis Apr 2013 #95

Yup. Texasgal Apr 2013 #98

Australian Shepherds can be vicious too. DirkGently Apr 2013 #102

I have an English shepherd XemaSab Apr 2013 #112

Incredibly sad story. Poor baby. n/t TDale313 Apr 2013 #106

look, a pit bull thread on DU GD! arely staircase Apr 2013 #110

In other news. Golden Retriever kills nobody. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #111