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jmg257

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15. "nonsensical arguments devoid of any sense of history"???

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:25 AM

Apr 2013

Can you even say that with straight face?

Here's some history for you...

How many gun deaths are in the US every year?

In 2011, the latest figure available from the Centers for Disease Control,

Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222

Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011.

Also 258 people were killed during legal intervention, most of them due to guns.

Guns were involved, but were not the primary cause of death:
-in 2 fatal accidents.
-in 6 homicides.

Previous years:
2010 31,328 people
2009 31,177 people
2007 31,224 people
2004 29,569 people

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_deaths_are_in_the_US_every_year

Homicides by Weapon Used, 2000-2008
Totals, 2000-2008 % of total

Handguns 65,581 51%
Rifles 3,791 3%
Shotguns 4,356 3%
Other firearm not specified or type unknown 820 1%
Firearms, type not stated 11,564 9%

Firearm subtotals 86,112 66%

Knives or cutting instruments 16,547 13%
Blunt Objects 5,782 4%
Personal Weapons 8,220 6%
Poison 106 0%
Explosives 43 0%
Fire 1,093 1%
Narcotics 408 0%
Drowning 150 0%
Strangulation 1,281 1%
Asphyxiation 948 1%
All other 9,051 7%
All other weapons subtotals 43,629 34%

Total, all types: 129,741 100%

http://sbcoalition.org/2011/04/gun-violence-and-the-census-sobering-statistics/

30,000 firearm deaths a year every year, and 66% of all homicides are by firearm.

So, please tell us again why "we" should think gun control doesn't make sense?

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Head Of Gun Organization: �TIME TO HUNT DEMOCRATS� [View all] Segami Apr 2013 OP

The worlds most ineffective conspiracy el_bryanto Apr 2013 #1

I believe that threat justifies his elimination under Stand Your Ground rules, doesn't it? JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #2

...or Darwin's Theory n/t librechik Apr 2013 #56

better ............ dothemath Apr 2013 #57

You are correct... JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #61

I was just thinking that some of us Democrats own weapons and have used them in the military. fasttense Apr 2013 #75

Surely, 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #3

And people try to say our freedoms have been curbed in America... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #4

Yup. The ones terrorizing the people scream they're oppressed when they're enforcing mob tyranny. freshwest Apr 2013 #10

Which, ironically... Oilwellian Apr 2013 #82

Hell, you can hold office, make threats to a sitting president and all you'll get is away with it. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #23

Unless one jokes about pretzeldents of the BFEE. Octafish Apr 2013 #42

I hate to ask, but what is BFEE? kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #78

Bush Family Evil Empire Octafish Apr 2013 #81

Thank you for all kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #84

The Bush! It burns! LOL Oilwellian Apr 2013 #83

Hell, you can hold office, make threats to a sitting president and all you'll get is away with it. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #46

He should be happy the Obama administration hasn't adopted the Bush Doctrine. Scuba Apr 2013 #5

Yeah, maybe it's time to get rid of the second amendment BanzaiBonnie Apr 2013 #6

Re-read your post a couple of times......... Socal31 Apr 2013 #73

Paging the Secret Service and the FBI on this dude. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #7

This IS an Abuse of Gun Ownership fredamae Apr 2013 #8

The Right loves to use killing metaphors Sheepshank Apr 2013 #9

Another well-paid long-range mouth-fighter. bemildred Apr 2013 #11

The assasination of the President nxylas Apr 2013 #74

This is the kind of big-mouthed jerk I don't trust with guns magellan Apr 2013 #12

Democrats are vulnerable on this issue in certain states. Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #13

"nonsensical arguments devoid of any sense of history"??? jmg257 Apr 2013 #15

Here's some more history, with no emotion attached (just cold hard statistics)... jmg257 Apr 2013 #17

"The shrill voices of extremists" = NRA. DanTex Apr 2013 #18

How do you bridge the rural and urban divide without giving up the rural vote to the RW. Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #22

So who are the "shrill extremists". Any examples? DanTex Apr 2013 #24

Nice daydream you got there! Rex Apr 2013 #98

Your slip is showing. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #19

Lurker from way before 2009 Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #20

Obvious zombie is obvious Electric Monk Apr 2013 #29

The word Democrat is also supposed to be capitalized Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #50

Good God-Damn HangOnKids Apr 2013 #25

LOL! Rex Apr 2013 #97

He speaks "Limbaughese"! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #31

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #33

So this is your comment on the threat of violence from a gun-boy? Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #51

These Rocky Mt. Gun Owners seem like a real circle jerk of jmg257 Apr 2013 #14

I'll bet IrishAyes Apr 2013 #105

I invite everyone to visit my "these assholes" thread on RMGO: Robb Apr 2013 #16

My guess is he will join forces with Michael Bloomberg. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #21

In what way are you comparing the NRA terror org. with the person wanting to stop terrorists? graham4anything Apr 2013 #27

Both going after Democrats. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #79

Democratic candidates have won 7 of 12 times so far graham4anything Apr 2013 #80

Blomie (never a Democrat) attacks Democrats. Settled. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #86

Terrorists. Reclassify them as a terror org, freeze assets, and anyone that contributes ditto graham4anything Apr 2013 #26

It's always nice to see police state tactics so vigorously advocated. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #32

The days of the NRA blackmail are ending. Thank God for that. 60% of the public wants it. graham4anything Apr 2013 #34

Authoritarianism, justified with Word Soup and Paul Simon? dairydog91 Apr 2013 #36

Sticks and Stones and Bullys and Guns and Bullets all kill, and the NRA is all of them graham4anything Apr 2013 #39

So, just declare them to be political enemies! dairydog91 Apr 2013 #40

It is not an unpopular law, and it is constitutional curlyred Apr 2013 #71

Reading comprehension? dairydog91 Apr 2013 #87

+1000 baldguy Apr 2013 #68

One crashes planes into buildings, one does political advocacy against gun control laws. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #88

Both are happy to see Americans die to forward their political goals. baldguy Apr 2013 #90

Even if that was true, mere joy at seeing Americans die is not terrorism. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #91

Terrorism is simply trying to instill fear in a target population to forward political goals. baldguy Apr 2013 #92

No, they don't. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #93

Re-read the OP. That's called "intimidation". baldguy Apr 2013 #99

Except SCOTUS would giggle that right out the courthouse door. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #101

This seems like stochastic terrorism to me. factsarenotfair Apr 2013 #28

A term that should make any supporter of free speech feel the urge to projectile vomit. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #30

"Time to hunt..." seems to be inciting lawless action to me. n/t. factsarenotfair Apr 2013 #37

It's a pretty obvious metaphor for aggressively voting against anti-gun politicians. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #38

You are a skillful advocate for your position. mac56 Apr 2013 #47

It's a "pretty obvious metaphor" for inciting violence. Brigid Apr 2013 #53

"Inciting violence" is a tough Constitutional standard. Much tougher than you seem to think. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #60

Some people need it to stay in a state of denial. Rex Apr 2013 #95

Some people need to shriek about the horrors of the enemy tribe. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #103

No not really, but thanks for trying really hard. Rex Apr 2013 #94

Now in easy to read format! dairydog91 Apr 2013 #100

How do you breathe IrishAyes Apr 2013 #106

what a vile notion librechik Apr 2013 #35

Sounds like a terrorist threat to me. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #41

Looks like a beady eyed bully with a very tiny sense of what it means to be a man. Octafish Apr 2013 #43

Somalia, muther f***er! They don't have ANY LAWS NightWatcher Apr 2013 #44

Reminds me of a bumpersticker mockmonkey Apr 2013 #45

The Tactical Arms shop I pass by daily always has a full parking lot KrazyinKS Apr 2013 #48

Fuck him. rrneck Apr 2013 #49

Got your back IrishAyes Apr 2013 #104

Some of us shoot back!! SpartanDem Apr 2013 #52

Hunting Democrats? Third Doctor Apr 2013 #54

Democrat season! Republican season! Democrat season! Republican season! Initech Apr 2013 #69

really? dothemath Apr 2013 #55

I'll say to this jackass what I say to all the gun wimps who spout this garbage: Downtown Hound Apr 2013 #58

Barf. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #59

Real tough guy. secondvariety Apr 2013 #62

Watch out women: Thugs &bullies want to have guns to be more effective thugs and bullies. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #63

It's almost funny IrishAyes Apr 2013 #107

Good post. +1 Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #109

I Welcome the Extreme Language Andy Stanton Apr 2013 #64

Brown has demonstrated severe mental deficiencies. He should not be allowed to even own firearms. Owl Apr 2013 #65

The words "piece of shit" don't accurately begin to describe this asshole. Initech Apr 2013 #66

Remember this when gun nuts tell you they support background checks Hugabear Apr 2013 #67

To our Gungeon friends: This is the company you keep. Squinch Apr 2013 #70

Don't they understand that this kind of talk simply bolsters the other side's argument? drm604 Apr 2013 #72

What this jerk does not know JoDog Apr 2013 #76

One day they will find out that Democrats can use guns too. Arkana Apr 2013 #77

Make it so. IrishAyes Apr 2013 #110

I can't wait to hear Gabi Giffords' response to this asshole. lpbk2713 Apr 2013 #85

The humorous and stupid aspects of this aside, there is the scary aspect Cleita Apr 2013 #89

Of course, just like a Repuke to incite violence. Rex Apr 2013 #96

Then my gun owning Republican husband HockeyMom Apr 2013 #102

This is in the same league as those bumper stickers I've seen steve2470 Apr 2013 #108

Time to strip another nut case of every single gun he has on point Apr 2013 #111