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In reply to the discussion: Post removed [View all]Azathoth
(4,677 posts)54. So a parent who brings his child to a warzone bears no responsibility?
Come on.
... I have the utmost respect for those whose principles do not change depending on the situation they find themselves in.
One of the first things I discovered in college is that, in nearly every system of "principles," one can construct a situtation where rigid, narrow-sighted adherence to principle leads to a result that wholly conflicts with the original intent of the system. Call it the law of unintended consequences or whatever you like.
The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the freedoms of Americans, not shield those who would victimize their fellow citizens and take those freedoms away. It doesn't give you the right to hurt others. You can't shout 'fire' in a crowded theater, and you can't wage war on the United States while hiding out in a foreign warzone outside the reach of law enforcement.
Extra-judicial killing is wrong, period.
This is a perfect example of the paradox I mentioned above. The fundamental moral intent behind this principle is, obviously, justice. Killing someone without letting him have a fair trial is unjust and barbaric. But what happens when that person deliberately places himself in a position where he cannot be taken into custody and fairly tried? Either we kill him, or he continues to kill innocent people. By adhering rigidly to a single principle, we are enabling an even greater injustice to occur.
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these same actions by Bush = holy SHIT we would have gone nuts. hell, we did go nuts.
piratefish08
Dec 2011
#49
The teenage son wasn't accused of a crime, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#39
Ahhh, so you think the death is less abhorrent and more acceptable for a democratic president
EOTE
Dec 2011
#67
No, he died because we really do not care much who else dies when we execute people because
RC
Dec 2011
#65
No, he is not. Do you realize what you just said?? A child can be killed because of something their
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#50
It's always good to see another person with sense that made the DU3 switch...
Modern_Matthew
Dec 2011
#6
The father was a US citizen. The son was a US citizen. No charges were leveled against either.
Bonobo
Dec 2011
#20
But they weren't the targets, they were at a top Al-Qaeda operatives house.
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#21
Uh, yeah no. It's not speculation. He was a wanted criminal on the run from authority.
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#31
Hundreds of Americans each year are sentenced in foreign courts and can't be helped by the U.S.
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#27
Nope, its just that yours is worn out. Can't muster the empathy for terrorists. Sorry.
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#35
You're calling the wrong person a coward. Trust me. Still can't muster up the empathy for terrorists
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#45
He's giving you the benefit of the doubt by saying you're afraid of terrorists.
Capitalocracy
Dec 2011
#51
LOL, it would be an insane coincidence that the son of an Al Qaeda operative would be in the house
Azathoth
Dec 2011
#24
LOL I prove that you have no idea what you're talking about, so you just declare victory anyway
Azathoth
Dec 2011
#43
And who would our government apologize to? The wife of the Al-Qaeda member Anwar al-Awlaki?
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#44
Quite a few probably did, thus the outrage at his doing what he said he'd do.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#11
Fringe overreaction once again. The Feinstein Amendment fixed the bill. Enough paranoia.
RBInMaine
Dec 2011
#47